Fant4stic "It's Clobberin' Time!" - The Ben "Thing" Grimm Thread

[Kelly]

Yeah, the more I think about it the more that photo doesn't really make sense. If it's a design model, why is it on set instead of in the animators' offices? If it's supposed to be a stand-in, why are they using an expensive, carefully crafted bust instead of a cheap cardboard cutout or a foam dummy, seeing as how it's going to be CG'd over in the final product anyway? And why would they be using a stand-in at all when they already have a mocap actor? What, is Jamie Bell supposed to be carrying that thing around on a pole for all of his scenes?

I'm sure their actual design probably looks pretty similar, but this picture just raises too many questions to be legit.

I'm not saying its NOT legit, it very well may be.....we just aren't sure of the actual source of the pic is all.

 

[Tony Stark]

It's weird if it was leaked by a stage hand. Usually that type of thing will get you fired.

The one thing that makes me think it's fake, or at least not a finished product (e.g. see the early on set Ultron pix vs. the final version), is that it looks nothing like Jamie Bell. Not that they have to put the characteristics of the actor in the CGI, but wouldn't it makes sense if there's some semblance of the actor in there?

 

[Paradox1]

It's weird if it was leaked by a stage hand. Usually that type of thing will get you fired.

The one thing that makes me think it's fake, or at least not a finished product (e.g. see the early on set Ultron pix vs. the final version), is that it looks nothing like Jamie Bell. Not that they have to put the characteristics of the actor in the CGI, but wouldn't it makes sense if there's some semblance of the actor in there?

Not for the Thing, he suppose to be unrecognizable from his former self.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I'm nearly 100% sure it's what it appears to be (though that doesn't mean it's exactly how he'll look in the film).

We can note a lot of things that don't seem 'quite right', but there's no plausible alternate theory.

Since I became a fan of The Thing in the early '70s, I have seen hundreds of 3D depictions - toys, models, collectible busts, video game images, fan made computer images and busts, maquettes for films, the sculptures in Alicia's studio for the first film etc.

Until a few days ago, I would say the best 3D image I've ever seen - by a comfortable margin - was this bust from sideshow collectibles:

Compared to that best-ever bust, this one pretty much blows it away in terms of detail and 'realism' (though, unfortunately, not comic accuracy).

So our hoaxer would have started with the best 3D thing model that has ever existed. Then that hoaxer would have photographed that model in poor lighting - either on the edge of an actual set or in a studio before compositing onto a set image.

For what purpose? Would someone go to all that trouble so they could have a private laugh that the handful of geeks who actually care about this were fooled?

If I created a sculpture like this, I would say: "Hey world! Look what I've done! I've just created the coolest 3D image of the thing that has ever existed!"

I'd take 100 photos of it from different angles in good light and show it off. I wouldn't go to a lot of trouble to make it look like a movie prop and then quietly and anonymously snicker to myself that I'd fooled a few geeks.

 

[The.Brotherhood]

I just came by to give this film some love...

 

[CaptainWagner]

-I'm hoping that picture is legitimate, because it's restoring some of my faith in this film.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I really hope it's legit too

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

That's funny. I had the opposite reaction. That leaked picture depressed me even more.

I have a question for you guys - what would have disappointed you? If he was in a mech suit? Or if he was the stay puffed marshmallow man? A rocky looking person is the bare minimum of what the Thing should look like. So what? If that leak (which I believe was intentional) was to try and get fans a little excited they failed big time. I feel like you guys must have really low standards to accept that.

And just so I'm clear I'd be equally disappointed if this image was released by Marvel Studios. It doesn't look like the Thing. It's not the Thing. It's TINO. Thing In Name Only.

 

[Joe Rockhead]

I think the leaked image, if it is from this production, is a better representation of The Thing than he appeared in the previous film series, though his orange color from FF2 is best of the 3.

That image does give me hope that they'll have a truly imposing version of the Thing that could challenge the Hulk if that were even possible to occur.

 

[The Guard]

It's weird if it was leaked by a stage hand.

Especially since this is a film, not a stage production.

 

[Six]

If that picture was supposed to inspire confidence I am extremely disappointed. Looks like a high school students art project.

 

[JP]

Wish I went to that high school.

 

[MbJ]

Looks cool.

That's funny. I had the opposite reaction. That leaked picture depressed me even more.

I have a question for you guys - what would have disappointed you? If he was in a mech suit? Or if he was the stay puffed marshmallow man? A rocky looking person is the bare minimum of what the Thing should look like. So what? If that leak (which I believe was intentional) was to try and get fans a little excited they failed big time. I feel like you guys must have really low standards to accept that.

And just so I'm clear I'd be equally disappointed if this image was released by Marvel Studios. It doesn't look like the Thing. It's not the Thing. It's TINO. Thing In Name Only.

Or we're just not being nitpicky and overly critical for the sake of being overly critical. I don't know how you could possibly look at that image and say it's not the Thing.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Looks cool.



Or we're just not being nitpicky and overly critical for the sake of being overly critical. I don't know how you could possibly look at that image and say it's not the Thing.

So what are you saying - all rock people look alike?? I'm offended.

 

[Mr. Youtube]

Just met Jaime Bell in NYC outside the Times Square McDonalds about two days ago. Sorry for the late post, but he seems to be bulking up a bit, although I'd say it's more for Turn if anything.

 

[Six]

Wish I went to that high school.

Maybe the Fantastic Four will attend it in this movie.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Or we're just not being nitpicky and overly critical for the sake of being overly critical. I don't know how you could possibly look at that image and say it's not the Thing.

 

[Donut]

Or we're just not being nitpicky and overly critical for the sake of being overly critical. I don't know how you could possibly look at that image and say it's not the Thing.

It's the magic of opinions isnt it great. You guys just gotta accept that the majority here does not share the same views as the very low numbers of you guys do about this movie

 

[Kelly]

Have you thought that maybe with the green screen behind it and the lighting, that is why it has the green tint to it, but once you see it on screen he will be orange?

I mean, I understand that people are upset with how Fox is handling this, but I think we are going overboard in the critique of this pic.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Have you thought that maybe with the green screen behind it and the lighting, that is why it has the green tint to it, but once you see it on screen he will be orange?

I mean, I understand that people are upset with how Fox is handling this, but I think we are going overboard in the critique of this pic.

How is it going overboard to voice an honest opinion? For some it seems the bar is set so low with this film that this picture excites them. For me, I have to confess that the other disappointments may have actually ratcheted my expectations higher for what the Thing might look like. Especially because I need a reason from a fan's perspective why Fox is making this pic instead of Marvel Studios. I wanted to be wowed and was severely underwhelmed. I'm not satisfied with "It's not terrible". It's just more mediocrity which is received well by some which plays into my worst fear that this film will perform just well enough to keep the FF rights in the perpetual "Negative Zone".

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Have you thought that maybe with the green screen behind it and the lighting, that is why it has the green tint to it, but once you see it on screen he will be orange?

I mean, I understand that people are upset with how Fox is handling this, but I think we are going overboard in the critique of this pic.

With regards to the color - nothing else in the pic appears to be affected by this green tinting - so I'm having a hard time accepting that explanation.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

How is it going overboard to voice an honest opinion? For some it seems the bar is set so low with this film that this picture excites them. For me, I have to confess that the other disappointments may have actually ratcheted my expectations higher for what the Thing might look like. Especially because I need a reason from a fan's perspective why Fox is making this pic instead of Marvel Studios. I wanted to be wowed and was severely underwhelmed. I'm not satisfied with "It's not terrible". It's just more mediocrity which is received well by some which plays into my worst fear that this film will perform just well enough to keep the FF rights in the perpetual "Negative Zone".

The reason is that Marvel didn't want to make F4 movies so they leased the property to a Studio that did.

 

[Kelly]

With regards to the color - nothing else in the pic appears to be affected by this green tinting - so I'm having a hard time accepting that explanation.

possibly, but it is also possible that they have a light on the bust and that is distorting the color.

All I'm saying is....well....#1. No one knows if this is official...#2. This is definitely one of those things that we really will not know what it will "look" like until it is finished and on screen.

We can read "grounded and gritty" and think, well crap that is nothing like the F4.

We can look at the cast, and think, wow, they are not following 60 years of artwork.

But, as far as the bust? We don't even know if that is an official likeness.

 

[Tony Stark]

The reason is that Marvel didn't want to make F4 movies so they leased the property to a Studio that did.

I'm sure you'd like to think that.

Marvel Studios didn't exist when they made those films. Avi Arad wanted to see films made of the characters, and Marvel Studios didn't exist. He went out and sold the properties to whatever studios would take them. Sony took Spider-man, Fox took X-men and Fantastic Four, Universal took Hulk, etc.

 

[bubbadoom]

With regards to the color - nothing else in the pic appears to be affected by this green tinting - so I'm having a hard time accepting that explanation.

Don't know if you have been around green or blue screen shoots much, but the objects in front of the screen are lit in such a way as to overcome any green/blue spill from the screen. If this head was sitting to the side and out of that light [as it appears to be in this photo] then the color could be affected giving it a greener look than it really has.

But even if the model is this color, that is an easy fix when the final animation is rendered - just like any alterations to the face [brow, nose, etc.] can be applied to the digital model before the animation is done.

Not saying Fox will fix these things, just that there is time for it to be done.