Pokémon It's the Pokemon thread - Part 2

[Scarecrow_King]

Ah, I forgot about that guy. Thanks.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Question. I'm raising a Growlithe in Fire Red that I'm planning on transferring over to my Soul Silver using the Pal Park. The learnset for Growlithe is different between the two versions; if I level him up past the point that he would learn a move before I transfer him, would he learn the move the first time he levels up?

No. He'll go by whatever his moveset is in that game. As WolfCypher said, the only way to get an old move is to go to a Move Relearner.

Also, with stone evolution Pokemon like Growlithe, be warned that they can't relearn moves from a prior evolution. For example, you have a Growlithe with Flare Blitz and you evolve it to Arcanine. You decide you want to replace it with Fire Blast. You cannot use a move relearner to get Flare Blitz back because Arcanine never learns it.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I didn't know that. That's kinda cheap.

 

[WolfCypher]

Well, its supposed to balance out the fact that most Evolution Stone Pokémon can be evolved at any time with no effort. So like, you catch a Growlithe early in the game at Lv 22, then immediately evolve it into Arcanine, giving it a big boost in its stats (and consider Arcanine has base stats almost in the same league as Dragonite, Salamence...).

To mitigate this, Evolution Stone Pokémon usually learn less level-up moves after they evolve compared to if they stayed in their base form longer, and any moves that ONLY that/those base forms could learn will NOT be in its evolution's movepool DNA.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

Yeah, I used to be one of the people that evolved them as soon as I caught them. Then when I found out they learn fewer moves, I started to level them up a lot before I finally did evolve them.

edit: Bulbapedia just told me that Arcanine can learn Thunder Fang. Hell yes, suck it water types. That with Crunch, Flamethrower and some other move TBD, I'm gonna love my Arcanine.

 

[WolfCypher]

Arcanine can also learn at least one Grass move, Solarbeam, to counter all of its weaknesses (Water, Rock, Ground).

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I never liked Solar Beam. Taking that extra move to charge can really be a detriment. Any charge-able move like that I usually avoid.

 

[WolfCypher]

Just throwing that out there. Honestly, I never use Solarbeam on Arcanine...

 

[Scarecrow_King]

It would be great to have a grass-type move, though because it takes care of all 3 weaknesses at once.

It's always so hard to decide movesets for me.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Solarbeam on Arcanine isn't a good idea. First, it's a special attack and wouldn't take advantage of his high attack. Second, it requires a turn to set-up leaving yourself vulnerable to an attack. Third, Water, Rock, and Ground are moves easily accessible to other Pokemon so you shouldn't leave an Arcanine in on anything that likely knows them since he has low defenses. I would go with Extremespeed, Aerial Ace, or even Dig. The latter I taught my Growlithe in White 2 and it worked out well until I didn't need it anymore.

 

[WolfCypher]

Dig is just as bad, since Earthquake is hyper-common, and does double damage to any Digging Pokémon, 4x to Arcanine using Dig.

Well, I was suggesting Solarbeam on an in-game (not competitive) moveset. I would suggest

Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Overheat
Solarbeam
Morning Sun (if possible)/Will-O-Wisp/ExtremeSpeed/Crunch/Dragon Pulse
Sunny Day

Since he (Scarecrow) said he was running Flamethrower, I assumed his Arcanine was either a Special Sweeper, a mixed attacker, or just used for offline/non-super-competitive battling, thus the suggested moveset above I would tag Flamethrower on. If you want a "standard-ish" (ie: Smogon) Arcanine set:

(Breeding required)
Flare Blitz
Wild Charge
ExtremeSpeed
Close Combat

(No breeding necessary)
Flare Blitz
Wild Charge
ExtremeSpeed
Outrage/Crunch

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I thought about Dig, and I'll probably go with that. That will give me super effective against rock. Thunder Fang, Flamethrower, Crunch and Dig is a pretty solid moveset for my Arcanine.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

Dig is just as bad, since Earthquake is hyper-common, and does double damage to any Digging Pokémon, 4x to Arcanine using Dig.

Well, I was suggesting Solarbeam on an in-game (not competitive) moveset. I would suggest

Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Overheat
Solarbeam
Morning Sun (if possible)/Will-O-Wisp/ExtremeSpeed/Crunch/Dragon Pulse
Sunny Day

Since he (Scarecrow) said he was running Flamethrower, I assumed his Arcanine was either a Special Sweeper, a mixed attacker, or just used for offline/non-super-competitive battling, thus the suggested moveset above I would tag Flamethrower on. If you want a "standard-ish" (ie: Smogon) Arcanine set:

(Breeding required)
Flare Blitz
Wild Charge
ExtremeSpeed
Close Combat

(No breeding necessary)
Flare Blitz
Wild Charge
ExtremeSpeed
Outrage/Crunch

Yeah, I don't do any competitive battling. I just use them for in-game purposes.

 

[WolfCypher]

Then your planned moveset is fine.

I'm assuming you'll be getting X & Y. I plan on having a casual and competitive team (each), so we should battle each other in those one day.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I don't have a 3DS yet, but I plan on getting one before Christmas. X and Y are a large part of why I want one. But yeah, I'd love to battle anyone here. I'm not super competitive with my teams though.

 

[WolfCypher]

BRAND NEW RUMORS! These are RUMORS, so, ya know...Lies? Truth?

http://pokebeach.com/2013/09/new-set-of-x-and-y-rumors

Could these be from the same source as before, or new people?

Either way, here is yet another refresher of the last batches of the rumors, and how astonishing the leaker got everything right about the Fairy type's weaknesses, strengths, and immunities.

Notable rumors:

Fairy will be a new type. It is weak to Poison and Steel, immune to Dragon, super effective against Dragon, Dark, and Fighting, and Fire and Psychic-type Pokemon take half damage from it. (WPM Note: Fairy is confirmed, super effectiveness against Dragon is confirmed.)
Rumored: May 11
Confirmed: June 11

Mewtwo has two new formes, not just one. Both are activated via items.
Rumored: May 11
Confirmed: September with Mega Mewtwo Y

The Starter final evolutions are Fire/Psychic, Grass/Dark, and Water/Fighting. (WPM Note: Two days later [on Monday], the source informed me he had mixed up the secondary types of Chespin and Froakie’s final evolutions. This bullet point reflects the correction.)
Rumored: May 11
Confirmed: Not yet confirmed or debunked

A Pokemon named Inkay evolves into Malimar. To evolve it, you have to hold your 3DS upside-down when it levels up (the 3DS has an accelerometer and gyroscope, so it can detect that). Malimar’s type is Dark/Psychic.
Rumored: May 18
Confirmed: August

A Psychic-type Pokemon named Espurr (ESP + purr) evolves into Meowstick (Meow + mystic?). (Sounds like Psychic-type cats. Meowstick’s name sounds too similar to Meowth to me though.)
Rumored: May
Confirmed: Meowstic was confirmed September, Espurr has not been confirmed or debunked yet

http://pokebeach.com/2013/06/pokebeach-x-y-rumor-roundup-and-clarifications

 

[WolfCypher]

A popular topic online is the themes of the Starter Pokémon's final forms.

Junichi Masuda (Pokémon director and composer) had an interview where he revealed that there's a heavy European medieval theme with the starter Pokémon, and wouldn't go into what that theme was.

The hot topic is that the theme is each starter's final evolution showcases a knight, and spellcaster/magician, and either a thief or a warrior.

Chespin evolves into Quilladin. Quilladin's name is a portmanteau or quill and paladin, a high-ranking knight. Quilladin is classified as the "Spiny Armor" Pokémon. It's been rumored that it's final typing is Grass/Fighting and it's final form will look as if it's covered in heavy armor (originally rumored that it looked like a "football player" wearing heavy "football gear"...)

Fennekin evolves into Braixen. Both forms have access to many Psychic-type moves. Braixen has a stick in its tail that it swings around like a magic wand when it uses certain attacks. Magic-themes have been used interchangeably with Psychic-themes since Abra, Kadabra, and Alakazam. While Mismagius, whose name suggests magic, is NOT Psychic-type, it's movepool has always had access to many Psychic moves. One rumor stated that Fennekin's final form involved it using a stick for its attacks. This rumor floated around long before its middle evolution debuted, where it's middle form is using a stick in its attacks. A magician's staff?

Froakie evolves into Frogadier. One part of the hot topic regarding Froakie's line is that it represents a thief. Froakie wears a cluster of foam around its neck like a sterotypical Japanese-cartoony thief wears a sack of loot around their neck.

Thieves in most RPGs are usually interchangeable with similar "classes", like assassins, and usually have high Speed stats. The Froakie line is believed to have high speed. With it's name (Frogadier) being a portmanteau of frog and brigadier, bringing up the other side of the speculation that it is instead the "warrior" of the trio. A brigadier is a ranking officer in the military, and would conflict with the idea of final form Froakie being a thief-themed frog. It also contradicts the belief that Froakie will evolve into a part Dark-type, since that would help support the thief idea, but not the brigadier/warrior theme its 2nd form brings into play.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

As always, I'm torn between the fire and water type starters. Foxes and frogs are hard to choose between...

 

[WolfCypher]

Foxes and frogs are hard to choose between...

Naruto fan?

 

[Scarecrow_King]

Nope. Did I inadvertently reference it?

 

[WolfCypher]

It was a joke.

Naruto (the character from the series, Naruto) is the host of the Fox spirit, and can himself summon frogs.

Boy, I have been posting a LOT in this thread. I must really want XY...

 

[Spidey-Bat]

If the final starter evolutions were Grass/Fighting, Fire/Psychic, and Water/Dark, that would go against how they normally have the second type counter/resist the weakness of its first type.

 

[WolfCypher]

New Pokèmon, Doublade, can be seen at Serebii.net...

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Ugh, just a ****** evolution of the ****** sword Ghost/Steel Pokemon.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

Yeah, they missed a real opportunity to have a cool possessed suit of armor on that one.