The Amazing Spider-Man J Jonah Jameson in the Reboot

[NinjaCarm]

I don't know what "trated" is, but I have stated this is not Batman before, but toning down the cheese is vital to making this a better treatment for Spider-Man - IMO.

 

[El Payaso]

Prominence = depth.

Not always. A character can be unimportant to the core story and still be deep.

Prominent characters are important characters that stand out from everyone else...because they have more development. You can certainly have deep characters that are barely in the movie but that is rare.

I'm not that interested in whether it's rare or not but whether is possible. And it is.

They don't usually stand out at the end of the movie because they are overshadowed by characters who had more time to develop.

Still they have a whole opportunity and poossibility of being three-dimentional.

Plus JJJ and Flash really aren't that deep of characters compared to their counterparts with more screen time like Aunt May or Norman Osborne.

They arer not or they haven't been?

Because Flash Thompson can be a one-dimentional high school bully's caricature or that man who went to Vietman back in the 1970's and be more than what he originally was. And you don't have to actually show his whole ordeal to have a good actor playing those things inside him and a good writer putting just the necessary to convey that. It's all about not simplifying to the max.

JJJ is only a paper menace until he does something about it and creates a villain.

That's simplifying. Any editor is more than that. And the comic's character might be grumpy but also has his inner demons as to why he does feel compelled to attack Spiderman.

You don't have to make it the central character to give him development and depth.

It would be the same thing as the Joker only robbing mob banks the entire movie. He became much more interesting when he stepped his game up.

Or when he's terribly well-written and acted.

There was certainly a lack of Alfred. He was barely in the movie.

Wait. Weren't you the one saying "nobody was whining about the lack of Alfred in TDK"? And now.. you're kinda doing it?

Nobody complained about lack of Alfred simplyu because there wasn't any lack of Alfred. He didn't have the most screentime but he was a rich character so he was memorable.

The graphic novel that TDK was based off of isn't light and fun and then again neither really is most of Batman's other iterations so why would Alfred be comic relief? Spider-Man and Batman are not even close to being the same thing. I am tired of people calling for Spider-Man to be more like TDK. It is lame and it is annoying. If you want to watch TDK, go watch TDK. If you want Spider-Man to be more like TDK, get a degree in computer technology and replace Batman with Spider-Man and Joker with Green Goblin then watch until you heart can't stand it anymore. Spider-Man is light and fun. Batman is dark and brooding. There are few moments in all of the Spidey mythos that are dark, tense, and gritty. In Batman, those adjectives are a dime a dozen.

Firsty of all, I'm not saying Spiderman should be like TDK. It's just that, being such a great superhero movie, TDK shows perfectly how a side character doesn't have to be a caricature or lack of deopth because he's just a "minor" character.

Once again, comic books' Jameson has much more to offer than what Raimi gave us. And once again, it's not a matter of screentime.

Darkness or TDK have not the monopoly of deep complex characters. You can have a light-hearted movie with deep characters in it. Light-hearted shouldn't be a sinonym with shallow, one-dimentional or anything of the like.

 

[chaseter]

Spider-Man

not

Spiderman

There is no use in debating with someone telling me how characters should be when they can't spell the main character's name right.

 

[Alex The Great]

Indeed

 

[NinjaCarm]

"Here'sssssss Jonah!" LOL

 

[El Payaso]

Spider-Man

not

Spiderman

There is no use in debating with someone telling me how characters should be when they can't spell the main character's name right.

Yes. That's a great excuse to dodge the bullets. It makes complete sense and refutes everything I said. If you can't type a hyphen then by logic you are wrong.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Darkness or TDK have not the monopoly of deep complex characters. You can have a light-hearted movie with deep characters in it. Light-hearted shouldn't be a sinonym with shallow, one-dimentional or anything of the like.

I agree. look at Iron Man.

Also, Iron Man has aged pretty well too. Unlike Spider-man.

 

[El Payaso]

I agree. look at Iron Man.

Also, Iron Man has aged pretty well too. Unlike Spider-man.

Absolutely. Light-hearted movie that didn't reduce its characters - even the side characters - to caricatures.

 

[Oscorp]

I agree. look at Iron Man.

Also, Iron Man has aged pretty well too. Unlike Spider-man.

Absolutely. Light-hearted movie that didn't reduce its characters - even the side characters - to caricatures.

I agree as well. Iron Man, if any movie at all, should be more of a model for Spider-Man than TDK should.

 

[ModestMr.Green]

'Aged pretty well?' What is Iron Man, just over two years old? C'mon.

 

[chaseter]

I agree. look at Iron Man.

Also, Iron Man has aged pretty well too. Unlike Spider-man.

You say some of the craziest things on here.

 

[Sentinel X]

Spider-Man

not

Spiderman

There is no use in debating with someone telling me how characters should be when they can't spell the main character's name right.

Oh God, you're one of those guys, huh?

 

[Alex The Great]

Spider-Man damn it!

Speel it properly

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

Why does the hyphen matter? How does that take away from the debate? All I see is an easy way out in coming back at him...You couldnt think of anything to say which was embarassing so you literally did become "that guy" and went with something that hardly mattered in the debate...The missing hyphen never bothered me when your typing fast...
But if its such a big deal to speel it properly then I suppose we should all start checking every thing we type...because any word you screw up on will get pointed out by grammar nazis with nothing clever to say other than "You didnt spell that right! I win!"
Pathetic.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

'Aged pretty well?' What is Iron Man, just over two years old? C'mon.

Spider-man gets cornier every year.

 

[chaseter]

Oh God, you're one of those guys, huh?

If I go into the Batman forum and say what I think and then someone tells me that I am wrong because Bat-Man should be this way...then I am not going to pay attention to them.

It's fine to have an opinion and say your opinion on here and mispell things from time to time, but don't tell me how I am wrong and how you think the characters should be in comparison to the comics when you can't properly spell their name. If you are basically saying that your opinion is right and mine is wrong, then at least spell the names right. Otherwise its fine to come in here and say how much you love teh spideryman. I even think I have typed Osbourne instead of Osborn but the title character? I mean come on.

Then again I have argued with people who said Connors was a biologist in the comics so Raimi making him a physicist ruined the character.

 

[MrSpyder]

Hope we get to see JJ in this one

 

[TheSlag]

Man.. with the excellent casting news of late... makes you really wonder who they're gonna get for JJ to keep... "on the roll"?

 

[Oscorp]

Spider-Man damn it!

Speel it properly

 

[ModestMr.Green]

Man.. with the excellent casting news of late... makes you really wonder who they're gonna get for JJ to keep... "on the roll"?

Malcolm McDowell.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Also, Iron Man has aged pretty well too. Unlike Spider-man.

 

[Ken-Kaniff]

Hope we get to see JJ in this one

Do you mean JOHN Jameson?

 

[ModestMr.Green]

Hope we get to see JJ in this one

Do you mean JENNA Jameson?

 

[El Payaso]

Why does the hyphen matter? How does that take away from the debate? All I see is an easy way out in coming back at him...You couldnt think of anything to say which was embarassing so you literally did become "that guy" and went with something that hardly mattered in the debate...The missing hyphen never bothered me when your typing fast...
But if its such a big deal to speel it properly then I suppose we should all start checking every thing we type...because any word you screw up on will get pointed out by grammar nazis with nothing clever to say other than "You didnt spell that right! I win!"
Pathetic.

Naaaaaaaaaaah. Do you really think that's what happened?

Are you deliberately ignoring the hyphen's importance in any intelligent debate???

If I go into the Batman forum and say what I think and then someone tells me that I am wrong because Bat-Man should be this way...then I am not going to pay attention to them.

Absolutely. I see your point. That's why I just don't read the early Bob Kane comics where they so obnoxiously mispell the name!!!

But... wait a minute. I have been "mispelling" Spiderman's name throughout all the discussion, so how is it that you payed attention to me the whole time and suddenly you decided you should not?

Weird.

It's fine to have an opinion and say your opinion on here and mispell things from time to time, but don't tell me how I am wrong and how you think the characters should be in comparison to the comics when you can't properly spell their name. If you are basically saying that your opinion is right and mine is wrong, then at least spell the names right. Otherwise its fine to come in here and say how much you love teh spideryman. I even think I have typed Osbourne instead of Osborn but the title character? I mean come on.

Yes! Secondary character such as J.J. Jameson, who the hell cares, but if you're going to talk about Jameson and you mispell 'Spider-man' then go to hell. And whoever finds a better logic than that, well chaseter and I challenge you to come here and explain it!

Then again I have argued with people who said Connors was a biologist in the comics so Raimi making him a physicist ruined the character.

Wait a minute. So the hyphen thing was just an excuse after all???

In all seriousness, one cannot be less than thankful when your oponent kicks his own ass.

 

[Oscorp]

Seriously, this whole hyphen discussion is ridiculous.