Jack Black as GL? Why god...WHY?!

once again

as the acting GL of the HATURZ LEAGUE, i must say

DONT WORRY

THIS WONT HAPPEN

EVERYONE RETURN TO UR HOMES AND RELAX
 
Bu...but I'm already in my home.

Do I go outside now?
 
GL's Light said:
That must be a reorder for GL # 10. Click the link at the bottom for the March list and you'll see that GL # 10 was the 8th highest selling issue of the month, with 79,745 copies sold.

That's still an insignificant number compaired to what whould be needed to get and investor's money back on a major motion picture (you will need more than ten times that number). The other poster claimed that there were millions of fans out there. If that were the case then Green Lantern would have had his own cartoon or TV series by now and that hasn't happened.
 
dnno1 said:
That's still an insignificant number compaired to what whould be needed to get and investor's money back on a major motion picture (you will need more than ten times that number). The other poster claimed that there were millions of fans out there. If that were the case then Green Lantern would have had his own cartoon or TV series by now and that hasn't happened.
I guarentee you if you look at Astonishing X-Men's or Uncanny's sales you'd find an insignificant number of sales too compared to what you'd want at a movie showing. Same with Spider-Man, however if you market these characters correctly while making the movie you can get a general public who may have seen said character on shows like Justice League, Super Friends or heard of them in childhood to gain interest in seeing the film.
 
dnno1 said:
That's still an insignificant number compaired to what whould be needed to get and investor's money back on a major motion picture (you will need more than ten times that number). The other poster claimed that there were millions of fans out there. If that were the case then Green Lantern would have had his own cartoon or TV series by now and that hasn't happened.
But with movies, it isn't just the fans who are going to see it. If you make a good movie, and advertise it well, people who've never even heard of GL will go see it. Comic fans barely knew who Blade was, and his movies did surprisingly well at the box office.
 
CConn said:
Bu...but I'm already in my home.

Do I go outside now?

hrmmm

let me check the handbook
*reads*

ok..those of u at home-STAY HOME-UNLESS U ARE NEEDED OUTSIDE
THOSE OF YOU OUTSIDE-GO HOME
THOSE OF U WITHOUT HOMES-GET A JOB
 
dnno1 said:
That's still an insignificant number compaired to what whould be needed to get and investor's money back on a major motion picture (you will need more than ten times that number). The other poster claimed that there were millions of fans out there. If that were the case then Green Lantern would have had his own cartoon or TV series by now and that hasn't happened.
Millions of people are superhero fans, but only a relatively small number read comics. That's as true of Spider-Man and Batman comics as it is of GL.

The number of tickets a studio would need to sell to make a successful movie dwarfs the number of GL comic book readers, but that goes for every other comic on the stands, too. That doesn't mean Hollywood should feel free to ignore the comic book fanbase and warp the GL concept into anything they please. After all, if they can do it to a top 10 comic book, then they can do it to any comic book - including your favorites.
 
ironmaidenrules said:
hrmmm

let me check the handbook
*reads*

ok..those of u at home-STAY HOME-UNLESS U ARE NEEDED OUTSIDE
THOSE OF YOU OUTSIDE-GO HOME
THOSE OF U WITHOUT HOMES-GET A JOB
Oh thank god.

It's dark out. :)
 
C. Lee said:
You've been warned by 2 different mods in about as many hours to stop with the name calling and attacks on others....take a few days off to cool down.
Where were you guys when the Catwoman threads were poping up? I have seen worse from the Catwoman Haturz league and you want to put a guy like Wack Arnolds on propation because he doesn't share the same opinion as you? What kind of mods are you guys anyway?
 
GL's Light said:
Millions of people are superhero fans, but only a relatively small number read comics. That's as true of Spider-Man and Batman comics as it is of GL.

The number of tickets a studio would need to sell to make a successful movie dwarfs the number of GL comic book readers, but that goes for every other comic on the stands, too. That doesn't mean Hollywood should feel free to ignore the comic book fanbase and warp the GL concept into anything they please. After all, if they can do it to a top 10 comic book, then they can do it to any comic book - including your favorites.

How does a studio know that if they (fans) don't by the comic? Outside of the Justice League cartoons and the comics there is no other medium that exposes this character to the masses and I can not see very much of those millions knowing very much about the character from telvision alone. Characters like Batman, Superman, Spiderman, The Hulk, and Wonder Woman are truly known by millions around the world because of their exposure from live action skeins, animated cartoons, movies and the comics (although Wonder Woman has yet to have a major motion picture). We can't say the same for Green Lantern. How do you introduce a character in a multi million dollar film to an audience that does not really know him that well and make it a hit? Sometimes you have to diversify the product (alter it in some way) to make it survive in a particular marketplace and maybe adding comedy to it might be that wrinkle. We really don't know for sure if this will be a comedy anyway since a director has not been named nor a script been witten so this is all speculation anyway.
 
dnno1 said:
How does a studio know that if they don't by the comic? Outside of the Justice League and the comics there is no other medium that exposes this character to the masses and I can not see very much of those millions knowing very much about the character from telvision alone. Characters like Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman are truly known by millions around the world because of their exposure from live action skeins, animated cartoons, movies and the comics (although Wonder Woman has yet to have a major motion picture). We can't say the same for Green Lantern. How do you introduct a character in a multi million dollar film to an audience that does not really know him that well and make it a hit? Sometime you have to diversify the product (alter it in some way) to make it survive in a particular marketplace and maybe adding comedy to it might be that wrinkle. We really don't know for sure since a director has not been named nor a script been witten so this is all speculation anyway.
If you're going to adapt a comic you should be true to the essence of it. You're right that superhero films need to be diversified to be sold to a general audience, and GL has a ready-made concept to do just that - it could be, should be, a superhero space saga.

I've got to be honest, the notion that Hollywood should feel free to screw around with the core concepts of comic books because they don't have high sales numbers or aren't very famous with the general public is a strange one to hear from a comics fan.

The whole point of comics adaptations isn't to bastardize these concepts, but to take really cool stories and transfer them to the screen. The coolness is inherent in the comics. It doesn't matter that Whiteout, or Y the Last Man, or Watchmen aren't famous to the general public, if you're going to adapt them then do it right, do it faithfully - because they're great stories, and telling great stories is the best way to get a hit film. The same goes for Green Lantern.
 
dnno1 said:
How does a studio know that if they (fans) don't by the comic? Outside of the Justice League and the comics there is no other medium that exposes this character to the masses and I can not see very much of those millions knowing very much about the character from telvision alone. Characters like Batman, Superman, Spiderman, The Hulk, and Wonder Woman are truly known by millions around the world because of their exposure from live action skeins, animated cartoons, movies and the comics (although Wonder Woman has yet to have a major motion picture). We can't say the same for Green Lantern. How do you introduce a character in a multi million dollar film to an audience that does not really know him that well and make it a hit? Sometimes you have to diversify the product (alter it in some way) to make it survive in a particular marketplace and maybe adding comedy to it might be that wrinkle. We really don't know for sure if this will be a comedy anyway since a director has not been named nor a script been witten so this is all speculation anyway.
They made Blade just fine without having to make it a comedy.

Same goes for Hellboy.

And Sin City.

And V For Vendetta.
 
Not liking this...Jack being in a superhero movie?

Besides...to start the Green Lantern franchise they should start with Hal Jordan or Kyle Rayner. I highly doubt he could pull those 2 off.

I understand some of what dnno1 is trying to say about trying to get the Green Lantern characters becoming well known but to give the role to someone like Jack Black is not the way to go.

Not being a huge Green Lantern fan though I really would like to see a GL movie...just not with Jack in it. I am not even saying this because of the roles he mainly plays or has played...I just cannot picture him being a GL.

Also some people have mentioned stuff like Wonder Woman film...I hear they wanted to get Kate Beckinsale to be Wonder Woman but she turned it down because she does not want to be well known for mainly acting in action type movies. Guess that would also rule her out for being Catwoman if they bring Catwoman into the Nolan films. :(
 
Jack Black could play Guy Gardner pretty well, actually.

Not that I'd want him to, mind you. But y'know, if Brando isn't available or something...
 
CConn said:
Jack Black could play Guy Gardner pretty well, actually.

Not that I'd want him to, mind you. But y'know, if Brando isn't available or something...
Brando would need to lose some weight to play Guy. And, y'know, reanimate. I'm not sure which would be harder for him.
 
CConn said:
They made Blade just fine without having to make it a comedy.

Same goes for Hellboy.

And Sin City.

And V For Vendetta.
Outside of "Blade" these films barely made a profit at the boxoffice. It's a good thing they ere low budget. Spending $40-$50 million and then another $30 million for advertising only to get a profit of $10-20 million could be seen as a risky propsiton. On the flip side if you look at a film like Fantastic Four, which had a larger budget and doubled their money, that was a better investment (this film has a little bit of comedy in it and was family friendly). So what was your point?
 
dnno1 said:
Outside of "Blade" these films barely made a profit at the boxoffice. It's a good thing they ere low budget. Spending $40-$50 million and then another $30 million for advertising only to get a profit of $10-20 million could be seen as a risky propsiton.
Your estimates are a bit low. V For Vendetta made a profit of 15 million, and Sin City a profit of 35. That's not counting international or DVD grosses.

Also, if you look at those numbers, and adjust them for the relative budgets, their profits are equal or more than BB's were. And BB met all of the "requirements" you listed.
dnno1 said:
On the flip side if you look at a film like Fantastic Four, which had a larger budget and doubled their money, that was a better investment (this film has a little bit of comedy in it and was family friendly).
Except FF naturally has a comedy/family film quality.
dnno1 said:
So what was your point?
Don't be snide. Snideness not coming from me just doesn't seem right.
 
CConn said:
Your estimates are a bit low. V For Vendetta made a profit of 15 million, and Sin City a profit of 35. That's not counting international or DVD grosses.

Also, if you look at those numbers, and adjust them for the relative budgets, their profits are equal or more than BB's were. And BB met all of the "requirements" you listed.
That's why I hate using that illustration, since it doesn't include the total revenue stream.

Ok, I will give you that one, but you have to consider the fact that a film at the time of its release has a 90% chance of failure at the boxoffice. Thats a lot of risk to take and it seems like the strategy in those three films (Hellboy, Sin City, and V for Vendetta) was to go low budget and minimize overhead in order to raise their chances of making a profit. That could work, but your return will be low (since you are taking less risk). You can't expect to see that kind of success all the time nor can you always get away with keeping your budgets that low (especially with a film about a character or story that has a small fan base compared to the actual movie audience needed to make it's money back).
 
The idea of Jack Black as Green Lantern is laughable. I thought the whole idea died a long time ago.

I thought the days of crappy comic adaptations were gone at Warner.
 
Here's the thing with Green Lantern, if you're looking at it from a studio point of view:

They're not looking so much at potential as they are connectability. And the story of Green Lantern, while being open for all kinds of interesting cosmic fantasy action, is also one of the more inherently goofy premises. A giant lantern from space that recharges a celestial battery held in a ring that makes your every imagination come true, but only works when the color yellow isn't up against it? And putting the ring on automatically enlists you into a society of intergalactic police?

to suits, while the concept predates these movies, it's going to sound like a cross between "The Mask" and "The Last Starfighter." Yes, I know, a traumatized child dressing up as a bat and an Alien landing on earth and wearing blue leotards ALSO sounds goofy when you reduce it to it's base elements, but Green Lantern is pretty out there. Plus, honestly, the name is pretty inherently goofy as well.

And those are two movies that weren't known for their gravitas, yunno?

To the moviemakers, trying to figure a way to get this idea across onscreen, to neophytes (who they're aiming for) the idea of playing this utterly straight faced HAS to be scary, because the elements are SO fantastical and lacking mythical allegory, for the most part, that it's almost automatic that there's going to be some tongue-in-cheek in addressing it. That might be the best way to have people buy the concept. After that, then they can try to mix in some of the more mythic, serious concepts, but it's a "Spoonful of Sugar" mentality, I'd believe.

So keeping that in mind, I can see why they'd want a more lighthearted take on the concept, starring a known comic commodity.

And like I said in the interview--he doesn't look BAD in tights. It's comical, yes, but he's not like slovenly fat spilling over the spandex. I'd think Warner's would get him to drop SOME weight, enough so that a creatively designed suit would cover any shortcomings in his body type.

Keeping all that in mind, plus the fact Jack Black has proved to the suits in Hollywood that he CAN handle serious if he needs to, it makes sense to me that Warners would have tapped him to head up this version of Green Lantern. The character simply isn't popular enough or well known enough in the public as anything other than a sidekick character (if he's known at all) to mandate slavish adherence to the core of the character in his best iterations. It's why I said, semi-dismissively in the interview, "It's Green Lantern, man." There's just not enough pull with that particular character. Hell, the myriad numbers of main character switches works AGAINST it in this case, because a suit is going to look at how many different people have been The Green Lantern in the comics and say "Well, if he's changed identities THAT many times, why not one more?"
 
I honestly think he could pull it off if the film was done right. And I agree with most everything Fatboy said.
 
As a fan of Green Lantern, I would rather this film not be made than be made into a zany Jack Black comedy. Put the movie off for a while, until the character has the popularity to warrant a big budget, epic space saga. Give the character a TV series or something and see how people reacte to him.

Making this film would not only be insulting to all Green Lantern fans, but would ruin any hope of actually getting the movie we deserve for at least 20 years. This movie would be like the 1960's Batman, popular with general public, hated and despised by anyone with a respect for the character.
 
Put the movie off for a while, until the character has the popularity to warrant a big budget, epic space saga.

he's had like what, 40 years now? He's settled into his role as a b-level superhero, best used as A supporting character in a team-up book. Again, I like Green Lantern. Hell, I thought the "New Frontier" series that Darwyn Cooke did was more like "A Green Lantern story co-starring the Justice League" and I loved the hell out of that. But again, the concept that works with me, because of my history with comics, might not be percieved as being able to work with newcomers to his story.

Again, his revolving door of main characters as Green Lantern, and the 40+ year history of not being able to crack the top echelon of superheroes is a heavy strike against the character when executives are looking at how to make a movie about him. He ends up looking VERY malleable and easy to re-shape.

There's no guarantee it'd HAVE to be a "zany comedy" just because Jack Black is in it.

And, remember, when we talked to him, he was like, punch-drunk off 2 hours sleep and on his last phone interview of the day. It's not entirely impossible that he was just talking out of his ass to f**k with a couple radio *****ebags who were asking him questions about some real old stuff.

But the answer DID sound honest, though. So I'm gonna take him at his word.
 

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