James Bond: 007 - Spectre - - Part 11

[Octoberist]

Tanner is almost redundant if you already have Moneypenny.

 

[Warhammer]

Tanner may still exist. There were 3 others before Rory Kinnear. But they were only like 1 scene. And true about the redundancy.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

In one of the very early drafts of Spectre, Tanner commits sepukku for some reason. It was also the draft where M turns out to be a traitor.

 

[The Shape]

One thing they have really been inconsistent on for the last couple of decades is the title song. They alternate between good and bad with every film.

Goldeneye - Good
Tomorrow Never Dies - Bad, and I'm not sure what they were thinking when they went with it over the much better 'Surrender' that plays over the closing credits.
The World is Not Enough - Good
Die Another Day - Bad
You Know My Name - Good
Another Way to Die - Bad
Skyfall - Good
Writing on the Wall - Bad

The DAD theme song is a guilty pleasure of mine.

 

[StarLord]

I only saw Spectre just recently. It was alright but a bit dull to be honest.

Craig and Seydoux's non existent chemistry didn't help, I found their scenes together boring as hell.

 

[Golgo-13]

Tanner may still exist. There were 3 others before Rory Kinnear. But they were only like 1 scene. And true about the redundancy.

I like Tanner. They may also bring back Colin Salmon's 'Robinson' character, but it probably won't be played by Salmon.

 

[Schlosser85]

In one of the very early drafts of Spectre, Tanner commits sepukku for some reason. It was also the draft where M turns out to be a traitor.

Ew.

Really glad they didn't do that, especially about M. Character assassination galore.

 

[Octoberist]

Tanner's a great character, but he can't be this interchangeable character for Moneypenny for select scenes.

 

[Schlosser85]

I like Tanner fine, but he's not indispensable.

 

[Smilodon]

Tanner's cool in kind of like a Pamela Landy way - as a character that can sorta supplement the action from afar as an analyst-kinda character and amp things up with dialogue. Of course, Q and Moneypenny could easily fill that role but I like having an established support crew around Bond that acts as Bond's surrogate family in a way. Especially given how their entire branch of British intelligence has come under scrutiny in the past two films, they've been through a lot of stuff together.

But yes, Tanner isn't indispensible. He can be recast and replaced and most people wouldn't probably bat an eye.

 

[Loki882]

Making M a traitor would have been a TERRIBLE idea (and I've heard that Fiennes flat-out refused to do it).

-He's often typecast as villains anyway, so there wouldn't have been a big surprise there.
-No other M has done that.
-The big thing in Skyfall with his character was the whole "can they trust him or not?" And ultimately, it turned out that he could. So having him turn out to be an evil traitor in the very next film would have completely crapped all over that arc.

 

[Gold Samurai]

Yeah, it's going to be jarring initially. To see the same M, Q, Moneypenny, and Tanner with a new Bond will bug the hell out of me for the first 30 minutes.

Why is this so hard to grasp?

We've had James Bond actors blended with established cast members

-Roger Moore inherited Connery's M, Q and Moneypenny

-Craig inherited Dame Judi Dench



I think the way things will go like this.

-Craig does one more film to tie up his Bond

-New movie after Craig has Fiennes, maybe a new Moneypenny and Whishaw

 

[Loki882]

Yeah I really don't get where this sudden "awkwardness" is coming from? We had the same M and Moneypenny through the Connery, Lazenby, and Moore eras. We had the same Q from Connery to Brosnan, we had Blofeld be an enemy of multiple Bond actors. And heck, they even brought back Judi Dench despite a complete continuity reboot. And no one ever batted and eyelash for like FIFTY YEARS!!

But no, all of a sudden, it's "going to be awkward" if they keep the same cast when a new Bond actor comes in, why?

 

[Octoberist]

You know what I admire about Ralph Feinnes? He never got plugs. And could've too, and make it look legit, but he opted to be more natural with his thinning hair. He could've used a wig..but nah.

 

[Schlosser85]

Yea, Fiennes is balding and looks older than he is, but he doesn't seem concerned about it.

 

[Warhammer]

Why is this so hard to grasp?

We've had James Bond actors blended with established cast members

-Roger Moore inherited Connery's M, Q and Moneypenny

-Craig inherited Dame Judi Dench



I think the way things will go like this.

-Craig does one more film to tie up his Bond

-New movie after Craig has Fiennes, maybe a new Moneypenny and Whishaw

Yeah I really don't get where this sudden "awkwardness" is coming from? We had the same M and Moneypenny through the Connery, Lazenby, and Moore eras. We had the same Q from Connery to Brosnan, we had Blofeld be an enemy of multiple Bond actors. And heck, they even brought back Judi Dench despite a complete continuity reboot. And no one ever batted and eyelash for like FIFTY YEARS!!

But no, all of a sudden, it's "going to be awkward" if they keep the same cast when a new Bond actor comes in, why?

Like I said, the continuity. I said it'd be awkward at first, not that it'd kill the movie.

 

[Golgo-13]

The whole M being a traitor would be too much like Mission:Impossible / every other spy flick out there…

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Saw this again last night, still love it.

 

[Uptown Finest]

I wonder if they'll ever use the Sprang brothers from Diamonds Are Forever in a future film. Sure they were extremely typical gangsters compared to the usual Bond villain fare, but I think they can be modernised. Outside of SPECTRE and SMERSH, the Spangled Mob were the other big thorn in Bond's side.

Yeah it be cool to see Bond take on different kind of criminals in mobsters and gangsters.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah I really don't get where this sudden "awkwardness" is coming from? We had the same M and Moneypenny through the Connery, Lazenby, and Moore eras. We had the same Q from Connery to Brosnan, we had Blofeld be an enemy of multiple Bond actors. And heck, they even brought back Judi Dench despite a complete continuity reboot. And no one ever batted and eyelash for like FIFTY YEARS!!

But no, all of a sudden, it's "going to be awkward" if they keep the same cast when a new Bond actor comes in, why?

Exactly, it never has been an issue in the franchise before and it won't be next time. This nonsense that the next actor will have to carry on where Craig left off is exactly that, nonsense.

 

[Gold Samurai]

Yeah I really don't get where this sudden "awkwardness" is coming from? We had the same M and Moneypenny through the Connery, Lazenby, and Moore eras. We had the same Q from Connery to Brosnan, we had Blofeld be an enemy of multiple Bond actors. And heck, they even brought back Judi Dench despite a complete continuity reboot. And no one ever batted and eyelash for like FIFTY YEARS!!

But no, all of a sudden, it's "going to be awkward" if they keep the same cast when a new Bond actor comes in, why?

I feel a "Everyone loses their Minds!" meme would be appropriate

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Spoiler

 

[Sawyer]

You know what I admire about Ralph Feinnes? He never got plugs. And could've too, and make it look legit, but he opted to be more natural with his thinning hair. He could've used a wig..but nah.

Eh, he's no spring chicken at this point. I think if he was an actor with that kind of vanity, he probably never would've played a five-film role where he had his nose digitally removed from his face.

 

[The Guard]

Making M a traitor would have been a TERRIBLE idea (and I've heard that Fiennes flat-out refused to do it).

-He's often typecast as villains anyway, so there wouldn't have been a big surprise there.
-No other M has done that.
-The big thing in Skyfall with his character was the whole "can they trust him or not?" And ultimately, it turned out that he could. So having him turn out to be an evil traitor in the very next film would have completely crapped all over that arc.

Eh...not what I'd have wanted to see, but him appearing trustworthy in SKYFALL wouldn't preclude him being revealed as a traitor. Actually that would only strengthen the "twist".

 

[Vaibow]

Personally, if Craig goes, they all go. It's like your girlfriend walking out on you and you still keep her stuff in your house. You just want it gone, move on and get a new girl with new baggage.

Sure, you will visit the same restaurant/places and try and get her to do that thing with her pinky, it's what you like, but ultimately, life goes on.