James Bond: 007 - Spectre - - Part 11

[Chesterfield]

Domestic: $196,249,955 23.1%
+ Foreign: $653,900,000 76.9%
= Worldwide: $850,149,955

 

[Reel-Man]

That's not a lot for domestic, compared to today's standards for big movies like this.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It made about the same as CR/QOS domestically adjusted for inflation.

 

[Octoberist]

So I listened to the unused track from Radiohead, and while it's better than Smith's rendition..it's still pretty bland. Shockingly bland.

Is it that hard to do a good Bond theme? All you need is a good hook. Hell, Tom Jones' hook was just "He's strikes like Thunder..ball'. It's stupid, and makes zero sense, but it's memorable.

 

[dude stannis]

Writing's on the Wall as covered by Sofia Karlberg is much, much better. It gives it an old school Shirley Bassey feeling.

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[Golgo-13]

^She's been mentioned on this thread quite a few times.

 

[dude stannis]

^She's been mentioned on this thread quite a few times.

She deserves plenty more mention.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It made about the same as CR/QOS domestically adjusted for inflation.

It should end up around CR adjusted for inflation, but in truth it should have done a lot more coming off Skyfall.

 

[Roose Bolton]

She deserves plenty more mention.

Plus, more often than not it's better when they go for a woman to do the theme.

 

[dude stannis]

It should end up around CR adjusted for inflation, but in truth it should have done a lot more coming off Skyfall.

Skyfall was the exception, not the rule.

Plus, more often than not it's better when they go for a woman to do the theme.

Yeah, Ms Karlberg is certainly more soulful than the hipster.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Skyfall was the exception, not the rule.

Not really. Goldfinger and Thunderball are that, though of course their gross led to good things for their sequels. SPECTRE didn't have to do Skyfall numbers to be a lot bigger then Casino Royale. This is more like QoS coming off CR then anything. A clear sense of dissatisfaction imo.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Plus, more often than not it's better when they go for a woman to do the theme.

Possibly, although some of the franchises most successful songs (ex. Live and Let Die, A View to a Kill) were by men and some of the worst (All Time High, Die Another Day) were by women. A good example of this not being true is The Man with the Golden Gun where I much prefer Alice Cooper's version to Lulu's.

I find them hit or miss either way.

 

[dude stannis]

Not really. Goldfinger and Thunderball are that, though of course their gross led to good things for their sequels. SPECTRE didn't have to do Skyfall numbers to be a lot bigger then Casino Royale. This is more like QoS coming off CR then anything. A clear sense of dissatisfaction imo.

Was the box office softer than it should've been? Of course no denying that. Are EON dissapointed? Nope, not at all.

Skyfall was always being treated as Bond's TDK, the marketing went out of it's way to show the villain being ahead of Bond at every turn, turning typical Bond tropes on their ear. With TDKR you saw they where taking elements of old Batman films and modernising them, just like they did with Spectre. I'm sure EON knew lightning wasn't going to strike twice.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Not really. Goldfinger and Thunderball are that, though of course their gross led to good things for their sequels. SPECTRE didn't have to do Skyfall numbers to be a lot bigger then Casino Royale. This is more like QoS coming off CR then anything. A clear sense of dissatisfaction imo.

Skyfall made, what? 300 million domestic? Outside of Goldfinger and Thunderball no other Bond film has really reached that. Adjusting for inflation the grand majority of them sit around 170-200 million. Even the big "event" films of the series like The Spy Who Loved Me only did around 195 million. It seems that Spectre more or less fell back into familiar territory.

 

[dude stannis]

Skyfall made, what? 300 million domestic? Outside of Goldfinger and Thunderball no other Bond film has really reached that. Adjusting for inflation the grand majority of them sit around 170-200 million. Even the big "event" films of the series like The Spy Who Loved Me only did around 195 million. It seems that Spectre more or less fell back into familiar territory.

Using the 60's as a barometer is insane anyway, apples and oranges. ****ing Dr Zhivago was considered a disappointment at the same time of those films because it was so slow in making it's money and it's an Avatar level grosser when you look at inflation.

 

[Bruce Malone]

It made about the same as CR/QOS domestically adjusted for inflation.

Yeah Skyfall was the big outlier in terms of Craig's films.

If only it could be Bond's 50th anniversary all the time?

 

[dude stannis]

Well 55 is next.

 

[Bruce Malone]

It doesn't have the same ring to it though.

I'm sure whatever Bond film released in 2062 will do great though.

Realistically Bond 75 is going to be the next big anniversary.

 

[dude stannis]

Well, the next one is the 25th film. They can milk that.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Was the box office softer than it should've been? Of course no denying that. Are EON dissapointed? Nope, not at all.

Skyfall was always being treated as Bond's TDK, the marketing went out of it's way to show the villain being ahead of Bond at every turn, turning typical Bond tropes on their ear. With TDKR you saw they where taking elements of old Batman films and modernising them, just like they did with Spectre. I'm sure EON knew lightning wasn't going to strike twice.

This is the exact point though. As with TDKR, SPECTRE should have been huge. As big as Skyfall? No. But huge. It has come and gone with a whimper only enhanced by an ever increasing former market.

Also, EON would be lying if they say they aren't disappointed. They spent a truckload on this film, or at least Sony did and Bond is about to go back on the auction block.

Skyfall made, what? 300 million domestic? Outside of Goldfinger and Thunderball no other Bond film has really reached that. Adjusting for inflation the grand majority of them sit around 170-200 million. Even the big "event" films of the series like The Spy Who Loved Me only did around 195 million. It seems that Spectre more or less fell back into familiar territory.

The problem is this is the second time EON has wasted the potential Bond Renaissance. First with CR, now here. Comparing the new films to the genetic stuff released between OHMSS and CR is off. Comparing it to the 60s is more valid do to the continuity and the fact that we just came off the third largest in history. That should give the next film a real bump. This film falling a back in line shows less appeal especially with the hype. I know it didn't work for me, as I have only seen it once while I saw Skyfall 3 times in theaters. The reviews are what they are.

 

[Roose Bolton]

The problem is this is the second time EON has wasted the potential Bond Renaissance. First with CR, now here. Comparing the new films to the genetic stuff released between OHMSS and CR is off. Comparing it to the 60s is more valid do to the continuity and the fact that we just came off the third largest in history. That should give the next film a real bump. This film falling a back in line shows less appeal especially with the hype. I know it didn't work for me, as I have only seen it once while I saw Skyfall 3 times in theaters. The reviews are what they are.

If we look at the series, there's only been 4 films out of 24 to actually make more than 200 million in the US, and even the films that the critics, fans and moviegoers all to seemed to enjoy, such as the Spy Who Loved Me, only earned 195 million. Likewise From Russia with Love only took in 192 Million. That such a beloved instalment like that film received a series "typical" return in the domestic market says more about the way the character is perceived in the States than anything else.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Well, the next one is the 25th film. They can milk that.

Die Another Day was the 20th Bond film/40th anniversary and that played a part somewhat in the marketing and even in the film itself with past tributes there.

I can't say that made too much of a difference overall but Die Another Day just wasn't a good film though.

Either way after Skyfall I have a feeling the Bond nostalgia/tributes have been done enough now with Craig's series.

I say give him one more film and market it as Craig's farewell and that should create an uptick.

 

[Doctor Jones]

It's simple. Skyfall was much, much better and more liked than Spectre. A Bond film can make the same amount again it just needs to be great. Spectre was disappointing and word of mouth killed the momentum. Skyfall had great word of mouth and leading up to it it did all the right things.

 

[Hunter Rider]

SPECTRE DVD and Blu-ray to Debut in February

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

SPECTRE DVD and Blu-ray to Debut in February

Oh yes, will be getting this one, enjoyed the movie a lot myself.