James Bond: 007 - Spectre - - Part 11

[Dark Raven]

I agree the London ending is rather boring. And Bond and Madeleine waiting around in that Tangier hotel room does drag. But nonetheless, I like the other parts of the film. I find it entertaining.

The Spectre board meeting with all the silence dragged as well. And no subtitles for people speaking in other languages which made it more tedious.

 

[Roose Bolton]

They...did have subtitles.

 

[Dark Raven]

I didn't see any subtitles in the version I saw.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Totally agree. Just the nonchalance alone of him walking on the roof tops of Mexico City, loading his gun en route to his killing was such a great Bondian moment and there are many more like that in the film. Also he showed a great "Moore-esque" comedic timing in this one. I thought he was great (and not bored or tired at all like some people say)and one of the best things in the film. I hope he comes back at least for one more.

Yeah I thought he was great in it, I also loved the moment he was fighting a security guy and when another went to attack him he just put his hand up and said 'stop,' would love him and Mendes to give us one more before both move on.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Totally agree with Gwynplaine's post.

Added to that, as I see that the whole tired 'I'd rather slash my own wrists than do another one' quote is still somehow being used as evidence that he wanted/still wants out, completely ignoring the initial question asked of him (something like would he do another Bond movie right away) and what he meant in his response, in that he'd rather slash his own wrists than doing one right away without a significant recuperation period given the well documented fatigue that he feels after one of these movies (and rightly so, as physically he gives his all]. Now it's 'you can tell he looks tired and not interested in Spectre', also completely ignoring the injury and subsequent lay off that Craig had during production where he obviously came back not fully fit (there are scenes where, day I say it, Craig carrying a little bit of extra timber in the midriff - a sure sign that he wasn't able to train during his lay off], which would only have added to the fatigue that he gets during and after these movies.

 

[elgaz]

Totally agree with Gwynplaine's post.

Added to that, as I see that the whole tired 'I'd rather slash my own wrists than do another one' quote is still somehow being used as evidence that he wanted/still wants out, completely ignoring the initial question asked of him (something like would he do another Bond movie right away) and what he meant in his response, in that he'd rather slash his own wrists than doing one right away without a significant recuperation period given the well documented fatigue that he feels after one of these movies (and rightly so, as physically he gives his all]. Now it's 'you can tell he looks tired and not interested in Spectre', also completely ignoring the injury and subsequent lay off that Craig had during production where he obviously came back not fully fit (there are scenes where, day I say it, Craig carrying a little bit of extra timber in the midriff - a sure sign that he wasn't able to train during his lay off], which would only have added to the fatigue that he gets during and after these movies.

I think Mendes himself likened it to someone who's just run a 25 mile marathon being asked straight after it if they're excited about doing another. At that point the last thing you want to think about is starting again, but once some time passes the hunger will come back.

The media are really ridiculous with how they sensationalise every single little negative bit of anything Daniel Craig says and try and spin it as a sign he's leaving.

Though I guess there's also the possibility that Craig does it on purpose to see if he gets better offers to stay on board. I think he got near 8 million for Spectre which was a new record for a Bond actor.

 

[Dark Raven]

Roger Moore often kept saying each film would be his swan song. For Your Eyes Only was meant to feature a new actor in the role, but he came back.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I didn't see any subtitles in the version I saw.

There was subtitles throughout the scene. Did you watch it online...?

 

[AnneFan]

I think Mendes himself likened it to someone who's just run a 25 mile marathon being asked straight after it if they're excited about doing another. At that point the last thing you want to think about is starting again, but once some time passes the hunger will come back.

The media are really ridiculous with how they sensationalise every single little negative bit of anything Daniel Craig says and try and spin it as a sign he's leaving.

Though I guess there's also the possibility that Craig does it on purpose to see if he gets better offers to stay on board. I think he got near 8 million for Spectre which was a new record for a Bond actor.

Yeah. I think Craig will be back for one more, with the movie coming out in 2018. That's my hope anyway. Five films and then handing over to the next guy. I think Craig deserves another Bond movie. I'd be satisfied with five from him. At the moment I'd honestly feel like he left too early. I want more. Signing up to this TV show doesn't mean he's leaving the role at all. The media just like clickbait frenzies.

 

[Golgo-13]

Not at all. More and more it's looking like Bond 25 will be a proper adaptation of You Only Live Twice, and that novel isn't really anything like Licence to Kill or Quantum of Solace. Everything Bond does in that story is under the orders of M and the Japanese Secret Service. In fact the whole thing is given to Bond as a last chance to redeem himself as an agent after his grief nearly makes him useless.

You seem strangely confident.

They obviously set up Blofeld going after Madeliene in the final scenes. Him going after Blofeld under M's orders, considering it appeared he's no longer part of th service, just makes absolutely no sense when you look where the film ends.

 

[Dark Raven]

Bond 25: M has no more staff or 00 agents.

Bond: This time it's personnel

 

[Roose Bolton]

You seem strangely confident.

They obviously set up Blofeld going after Madeliene in the final scenes. Him going after Blofeld under M's orders, considering it appeared he's no longer part of th service, just makes absolutely no sense when you look where the film ends.

Blofeld killed Tracy too, right in front of Bond and then he went to ground. Bond's reaction in the novels wasn't at all what it was in the Diamonds Are Forever PTS or the rage driven pursuit that we saw in Licence to Kill and Quantum of Solace. When Vesper died, Bond was angry at her and at himself, but when Tracy died it was pure grief. He was utterly depressed and self-medicated with pills, he drank to excess, buried himself in unfulfilling sex. The point, is that he had no reason to live anymore. M sees that plainly and gives him the mission in Japan, the impossible mission, as a chance to find redemption. And through that mission and his immersion in the Japanese culture and with the help of Henderson, Tiger Tanaka and Kissy Suzuki, Bond regains the will to live. That's the entire concept of You Only Live Twice. It's not a revenge story, it's the story of how James Bond found a reason to live. The Blofeld stuff is only coincidental, and just a form of final catharsis before Bond moves on with his new life.

I don't see any reason why M couldn't catch wind of the problems in Japan and then decide to track down Bond and offer him that same chance at salvation, even if he did leave the service.

 

[chamber-music]

Choosing Sam Smith stinks of just jumping on a band wagon and trying to make a PC statement.

'let's go for someone hot right now'

"sure... how about sam smith, he's gay too, that will tick boxes"

'yeah, we will look so progressive and people will love it as a bold move'

I would rather they just go for who submits the best song... so much talent out there, regardless of their gender, race of sexuality.

I don't think Sam Smith's sexuality had anything to do with him singing the theme.

I didn't hear much promotion based around his sexuality and Smith himself doesn't make a big deal out of it.

I think they choose Smith because he was popular at the moment.

Daniel Craig reportedly 'quits James Bond franchise for Purity TV series'

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...v-series-idris-elba-henry-cavil-a6874646.html

I like how James Norton for Bond is steadily catching on. I've been saying the guy has potential to be a good James Bond for the past couple years.

 

[elgaz]

I'd like to see Craig back for another, then time for a new actor and maybe a new approach.

When Casino Royale came out, it took the established Bond format and changed a fair few things. No gadgets as such, no slapstick humour, no dark haired and traditionally good looking model-type playing Bond, no Q, no Moneypenny, and so on. Bond was relatively new and inexperienced. And most importantly, the entire tone of the film was very different- much more serious and gritty.

Now, another 3 films later, we have Q, M, Moneypenny and the gadgets and cars are making a comeback. Yet the more serious and gritty tone remains. I'd like the next Bond actor to be a tall, suave dark haired fellow (Cavill-type) but for them retain that tone without going back to the Moore-era farcical comedy.

I don't think Sam Smith's sexuality had anything to do with him singing the theme.

I didn't hear much promotion based around his sexuality and Smith himself doesn't make a big deal out of it.

I think they choose Smith because he was popular at the moment.


I like how James Norton for Bond is steadily catching on. I've been saying the guy has potential to be a good James Bond for the past couple years.

Agreed, I don't think his sexuality had anything to do with it. If they wanted to make a statement about sexuality, they already did it by casting a gay actor to play Q.

 

[chamber-music]

Ben Whishaw doesn't publicize his sexuality either.

People made a big deal about M being a woman in the nineties when Dame Judi Dench was cast but the head of MI5 at the time was a woman. The casting just reflected reality.

We know for a fact that gay people and minorities work for the British secret service right now so casting actors in those roles is not making a political statement. Bond movies have always reflected the world at the time they were made.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Bond 25: M has no more staff or 00 agents.

Bond: This time it's personnel

This time the Bond girl is his equal.

 

[Brian Braddock]

I think Mendes himself likened it to someone who's just run a 25 mile marathon being asked straight after it if they're excited about doing another. At that point the last thing you want to think about is starting again, but once some time passes the hunger will come back.

The media are really ridiculous with how they sensationalise every single little negative bit of anything Daniel Craig says and try and spin it as a sign he's leaving.

Though I guess there's also the possibility that Craig does it on purpose to see if he gets better offers to stay on board. I think he got near 8 million for Spectre which was a new record for a Bond actor.

Great post.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Roger Moore often kept saying each film would be his swan song. For Your Eyes Only was meant to feature a new actor in the role, but he came back.

Which is why it begins with him visiting Tracy's grave. EON wanted to make sure right away that audiences knew that the new guy was the same character as the one in the previous films, and not just some new guy with the same name. That scene was written when they thought it was going to be a new actor.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

This time the Bond girl is his equal.

They've been doing that one since Goldfinger.

 

[Dark Raven]

Bond 25: Bond can't get a girl anymore and has to resort to Craigslist.

Bond: This time it's the personals.

 

[elgaz]

Bond 25 might have a female 007 for all we know

 

[DKDetective]

Blofeld killed Tracy too, right in front of Bond and then he went to ground. Bond's reaction in the novels wasn't at all what it was in the Diamonds Are Forever PTS or the rage driven pursuit that we saw in Licence to Kill and Quantum of Solace. When Vesper died, Bond was angry at her and at himself, but when Tracy died it was pure grief. He was utterly depressed and self-medicated with pills, he drank to excess, buried himself in unfulfilling sex. The point, is that he had no reason to live anymore. M sees that plainly and gives him the mission in Japan, the impossible mission, as a chance to find redemption. And through that mission and his immersion in the Japanese culture and with the help of Henderson, Tiger Tanaka and Kissy Suzuki, Bond regains the will to live. That's the entire concept of You Only Live Twice. It's not a revenge story, it's the story of how James Bond found a reason to live. The Blofeld stuff is only coincidental, and just a form of final catharsis before Bond moves on with his new life.

I don't see any reason why M couldn't catch wind of the problems in Japan and then decide to track down Bond and offer him that same chance at salvation, even if he did leave the service.

As much as I was spoiling for a proper adaptation of YOLT as the follow-up to Spectre after it was first announced, I have to admit that they used a lot of Bond' arc from YOLT in Skyfall. Also, Waltz's Blofeld is a pretty lame adaptation of the character and I am not sure I want YOLT wasted on Franz Oberhauser.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I cannot see Waltz Blofeld decked out in full samurai gear. He isn't that insane.

 

[TheVileOne]

Let's be honest though about Sam Smith's theme for Spectre...it wasn't that good.

 

[Dark Raven]

Let's be honest though about Sam Smith's theme for Spectre...it wasn't that good.

That would be an understatement.