James gunn fired!!!

As a society you should absolutely cherry pick, i.e. make thoughtful decisions rather than turn your brain off and throw poop at the wall.

I have stated in depth multiple times why the Roseanne and Gunn situations are nothing alike. But I understand why certain types prefer to mash them together and treat them equally.

James changed. Roseanne didnt.
Roseanne lost support of the cast and crew. James didn't.
James will recover from this. Roseanne won't .

 

Did he really change though?

 

He deleted some 10,000 tweets, yes? Obviously, not all of those tweets were jokes about the subject. He probably just deleted a set of tweets from a certain time period from his timeline when he was doing the provocateur gimmick. I never accused him of having thousands of tweets about the subject.

I actually get that they are jokes and what he was doing. At the same time, I'm not sure it makes it OK and all peachy keen, at least in the eyes of his employers.

A lot of people are being really touchy about the content of the jokes, when we've seen plenty of comedians and beloved shows have that kind of material. I'm not justifying it but plenty of fans look the other way if it's happening in a show they like. Now, is Twitter the best outlet for the format? Probably not. Twitter is open and very public. Anyone can find it. And it can be embarrassing when you just look up these tweets in isolation.

I'm sure Justin Roiland might have difficulty explaining the original short that inspired Rick and Morty, which was addressed by Double Toasted.

https://www.themarysue.com/james-gunnsuperhero-sex-post/

Yes it did. It called Gunn out for being wrong for using "****-shaming" and "anti-gay" language. The writer, Susana Polo, also said it was language not befitting someone who was going to bring a part of the Marvel Universe to the big screen.

 

I don't get how people haven't grasped this. Your past can come back to haunt you and what you do in the past can affect your job and more

Reasonable or not. It's how things are.

I think one of the things tho as people have mentioned is that Disney for sure knew about them

 

I think it's unfortunate overall. No really respect for Disney in this though. They didn't care about what he tweeted so long as no one else cared. There's no moral high ground there.


Just a reminder that social media is a general negative. People can and do say stupid/terrible things far too easily without stopping to think about it. And really what is the benefit at the end of the day? No one comes out of this looking any good.


A total mess.

 

People do bad stuff in real life let's stop pretending that social media is this huge plight in society that's going to end us all

And complaining about social media on social media is just silly

 

Thinking about this, doesn't it kind of feel like the backlash to the firing is already dying down quite a bit? I mean it's understandable, considering the length of news cycle in this day and age. But those that were seemingly hoping that outrage could carry this, seem out of luck and its only been a week. I think the only chance of getting Gunn back is a situation internally at this point. Or their plan the entire time was to rehire him later. But I guess we will see.

 

Yes, I'd say the public outcry had died a bit. However, Dave Bautista and Chris Pratt are still at it, tweeting their support. And, if you go to Twitter, you'll still find those who want to see Hollywood burned to the ground sending him through the wringer, with pictures and videos. That begs the question: what would the outcome have been if Disney had taken the time to pause before making their decision? I think the trolls would still have been out but without their winning attitude.

 

I just saw Bautista's tweets, he is losing it

 

The outrage over the firing is certainly dying down, though it will pick back up when Feige (finally) makes an announcement regarding the change in directors or release dates. The outrage over the objectionable tweets would have died down even more quickly.

 

Roseanne will recover just like she's always recovered. Even if CMT have to create a show for her.

James could still be doing the Sony project and he'll recover just fine as well... just not in the house that Disney built.

 

Well the thing is, as long as the outrage is limited to fandom, actors, and industry people, and doesn't really become an issue that the movie going general audience really knows, or cares about, its gonna be difficult to change Disney's mind.

I have no doubt fans are gonna stay angry and upset about it , but as long as joe and jane six pack with kids and a family aren't aware enough about it to really make a stink or hurt Disney in the pocket book over it , I doubt they'll have an incentive at this point to change their minds.

If a few of the GOTG actors begin to walk much like Hackman and Kidder did from the Salkinds over Donner with Superman 3, then I could see Disney changing their minds, because that kind of move would really reach even the average filmgoer and really highlight the Gunn story to an audience beyond twitter and the fan community.

Disney is gonna have to feel it hurts them more to lose Gunn than to replace him, and aside from the backlash of fans and other celebrities , I'm not sure they're at the point in which they think its more trouble for Gunn to be gone than to replace him.

 

The only thing that could make Disney change their minds is if Pratt walks. That would be a huge blow. Pratt honestly is who has the power here


People like Bautista, Gillan, Kliementhoff, are probably expendable to them. Especially since they are covers in make up


And Bradley Cooper obviously doesn’t give a crap. He is just in these movies for the money

 

And Pratt has been very politically safe with his tweets so far.

 

It feels to me like they are working on this behind-the-scenes (probably the cast and Feige), and don't want to say anything for the moment.

Depending on how it works out, there will probably be some type of statement from the studio and the cast, I would think. Something they do together, maybe.

They have some decisions to make outside of whether or not Gunn can direct the film. They have his script. Would it make sense to use it? If not, then who will write and who will direct?, etc.

 

I have to agree with you on this... given the fact that even Bautista has seemed to have quieted

 

Well Feige probably told them he understands their frustration because he was just as blindsided by it as everyone else. I'm assuming right now they're putting together a shortlist of directors that no one is going to love but will turn in a product that manages to entertain (similar to the Ant-man situation).

 

Pratt and others statement

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl3OVfeF8Dc/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=tgdnt7rto1x9

 

I'm impressed even Bradley Cooper signed it.

But I think this wasn't a smart move. What director is going to want to sign on now that you know that your cast is going to wish they had their old director back.

 

Who really wants to be the guy taking over for Gunn under these circumstances anyway? GotG3 wasn't really desirable even before this. Anyone they get was going to be measured up to Gunn and likely regardless of quality was going to hear things like "It was good, but it didn't feel like Guardians" etc.

I hope this letter does something. I would like Gunn reinstated as well.

 

They won't, that's the idea. These guys are locked into the MCU whether it's a GOTG flick or not.

 

I can't see this letter doing much, really. At the very least, given how big Disney is right now, I can't see Gunn's firing or replacement being the biggest priority for them since Alan Horn already declared him gone. I mean, what, are Bob Iger and Kevin Feige supposed to try and go around him? The cast can only do so much, but I don't see Disney buckling to their actors.

Not to say that Disney has never buckled, but in this instance, given how swift it was, the letter might gain some traction for the #RehireJamesGunn crowd...but nothing beyond that, in my opinion.

 

There is a difference between HOPE and EXPECTATION. Do I EXPECT him to be rehired? No I do not. Do I HOPE he is? You bet I do. This letter by the cast is better than them doing nothing.

 

Well, that didn't take long.

The odd thing is that Guardians is basically about this. A bunch of a-holes who become slightly better a-holes because they give each other a shot at redemption.

So, anyway. Say what you want about Gunn, but you can't say that he wasn't being honest with us in these movies all along.

 

The most liked tweets in response to them are pretty scathing

I can't believe Bradley 'frontrunner for an Oscar' Cooper signed it instead of pretending he isn't really there