Guardians of the Galaxy James gunn fired!!!

[Abudefduf]

He made a list about top 100 female super heroes you want to #### and made some sexist and homophobic remarks in it. Can't post it here as it is too vulgar.

Well that certainly explains his treatment of Gamora and Mantis. He took two of the most lethal fighters in the Marvel universe and reduced them to eye candy and comic relief.

 

[gdw]

There goes someone else who made a joke about rape years ago actually around the same time that Gunn did.

The Momoa "joke" (it wasn't a joke, he was saying that he loved the absurdity of what can be done in Sci-fi/fantasy) is a FANTASTIC example of everything wrong with the "outrage" directed at humour.

“But as far as sci-fi and fantasy, I love that genre because there are so many things you can do, like rip someone’s tongue out of their throat and get away with it and rape beautiful women,”

EVERYONE understood that he was not advocating ripping people's tongues out. No one gave a shot about that atrociously violent notion, but EVERYONE was "outraged" he mentioned "rape."

Just proof that is has nothing to do with what is ACTUALLY being said, and everything to do with searching out keywords for false, virtue signalling "outrage."

Yet NO outrage over the actual fictional DEPICTION of rape for ENTERTAINMENT in the show itself, because people realize it's not ****ing real. Guess what? The EXACT same thing applies in comedy. Drama is NOT the only form of artistic expression that get's a ****ing pass for freedom of speech.

When people do **** like this, they undermine EVERY remote moral high ground you have. Which is precisely what we are seeing with the left right now, and is EXACTLY what the alt-right ****-wads who did this were aiming for.
This is the internet equivalent of how bin ladin dragged america into doing exactly what he wanted.

 

[Zarex]

What prompted the tweet mining?

Cybernazi's being upset with Gunn's negative opinion regarding Putin's Boy.

Are we ignoring any growth he's made in the 10 years since those tweets?

Apparently!

 

[gdw]

i also was checking for hours and i couldnt find where he did. it looks like some are just repeating a lie.

They're repeating a misunderstanding. He apologized for the superhero sex list, which was a poor attempt at satire, as well as the general tone of his past humour.
In other words, he had previously apologized EXPLICITLY for said list/blog post, and in GENERAL about his past attempts at humour (which would encompass his history of crass tweets.)

What prompted the tweet mining?

Alt-right ****-wads (with DRASTICALLY more abhorrent SINCERE tweets) went on a smeer campaign as retaliation for Gunn's criticism of Trump, and general recent history of being an outspoken upstanding human being.

Are we ignoring any growth he's made in the 10 years since those tweets?

No, because Marvel and Disney know that know one can change, or be rehabilitated from past mistakes. They would NEVER knowingly work with someone with such a torrid history, regardless of their current attitudes and actions.

I mean, that's why the INSTANT Dinsey purchased Marvel, Robert Downey Jr was fired, and his name has been garbage, and his career non-existent ever since.

 

[Godkiller]

Cybernazi's being upset with Gunn's negative opinion regarding Putin's Boy.



Apparently!

Cybernazis and Gunn's personal growth doesn't matter. Anyone could have dug up those tweets and drawn attention to them.

Disney doesn't want to be associated with the attention and they don't want to be seen doing nothing about it. It's not about Gunn himself. It's about the tweets and the image Disney wants for the Marvel movies.

Who knows what other factors there could have been. Maybe Gunn was already on a thin string with Disney. Either way it's really just what Disney wants.

 

[marcvader]

Disney move was strictly PR. They'd rather deal with pissed off fans than the whole subject blowing up and tainting their image. The circumstances suck but I get it. They'll probably delay the production while they sort things out.

 

[Godkiller]

Yeah, and Marvel already stated that their directors aren't bigger than them. Directors have to play ball. So it's not like they have any personal loyalty. To Disney it's like, you dragged mud in the house. GTFO and tell your friend to give us a call.

 

[LoganGambit87]

I was referring to the hillarity of using a Jason Mamoa gif when he has been criticized for years for joking during a Game of Thrones panel at comic con that he enjoyed his character getting to rape people. It was just a dumb joke that didn't harm anyone just like that Sarah Silverman one above but it would not surprise me if it got dug up considering the times we are living in.

it already did get dug up and he apologized for it last year but he did'nt get fired for it since he dont work for a family friendly company like disney
https://www.etonline.com/jason-momo...out-rape-i-made-truly-tasteless-comment-89146

 

[TheVileOne]

Hitler and the KKK are some others who also have "fervent fan communities".

That doesn't make them okay, does it?

First of all, I'm Jewish, so I don't really appreciate the comparison.

Family Guy, Archer, Rick and Morty, and South Park are hugely popular animated shows and have nothing to do with Hitler or the KKK.

For another thing, those shows have huge fanbases that are ethnically diverse and have a lot of fans who are probably liberally progressive. So, the whole Hitler and KKK thing is sort of lost on me here when comparing them to those shows.

Just because those shows have a large following, does not mean that the nasty content suddenly becomes not nasty.

And thanks for the warning about Rick & Morty. I was going to start watching that this week.

I'm not saying the content isn't nasty or that you should be OK with it. But I think I don't agree with the idea that you should never joke about some subjects.

South Park has addressed this very topic before. How some people get upset over jokes about certain topics and the idea of "you shouldn't joke about that."

They did a whole episode about Jared from Subway. This was before Jared was exposed for his crimes mind you. There was confusion about Jared having AIDS, when he really meant he has "aides," friends who help him with his diet and exercise.

I recall that some Disney sitcoms had some jokes about eating disorders that Demi Lovato got upset about because she was a former Disney star who had to leave her show over an eating disorder. And then some fans online were like "you should never joke about that."

I mean maybe those type of jokes, models joking about not eating, should not be on a Disney tweencom. However, edgy adult animated shows do make those type of jokes.

 

[TheVileOne]

i also was checking for hours and i couldnt find where he did. it looks like some are just repeating a lie.

Right. I found the thing where he talks about how he used to be nasty and provocative on Twitter, but he didn't apologize for it.

It just seems like people are going out of their way to excuse and defend the guy they like.

When similar behavior or social media posts happens from someone they don't like, they crucify them.

Also guys, some of the tweets are not 10 years old. Some of them are as late as December 2012, AFTER he got hired by Disney for Guardians of the Galaxy. It was announced Gunn was working on the film in September 2012.

Also I will say I agree with DarthSkywalker that a TV show isn't a Twitter account. TV shows like Rick and Morty have a TV-MA rating at least. And it's easier to understand the context of filthy jokes for taboo subjects when they are done through characters in a TV show or a standup comedy act. When was Gunn ever a standup comic? It's news to me. And IMHO, standup comics should be allowed to tell filthy jokes about taboo subjects if they so please.

When Gunn is making isolated tweets about taboo subjects, it's harder to explain and find the contexts. And just saying, "Oh when I was in my 40s, I was a wild provocateur and liked to say filthy, taboo things. I'm not like that anymore." It's hard for people to believe or accept that when you read just this list of filthy offensive tweet after tweet.

I think part of the problem is that today's culture has fueled this type of outrage moral soap-boxing. Before anyone gets upset this is just an opinion. I think social media just has this habit of turning everyone into monsters. Everyone gets so angry and emotional about everything on social media, and you have to be right. Everyone gets outspoken on social media because it's their platform to be outspoken.

But when everyone gets on a moral soapbox and has to criticize the morality of others...their own sins and background get exposed. Now that's happened to Gunn.

And just FYI, Seth MacFarlane, the creator of Family Guy and The Orville, has not said this exact thing, but he's warned about this problem before.

 

[gdw]

Right. I found the thing where he talks about how he used to be nasty and provocative on Twitter, but he didn't apologize for it.

That was in his statement about the 'superhero sex list' "satirical post", the entirety of which WAS an apology, IIRC.

. . .
Also I will say I agree with DarthSkywalker that a TV show isn't a Twitter account. TV shows like Rick and Morty have a TV-MA rating at least. And it's easier to understand the context of filthy jokes for taboo subjects when they are done through characters in a TV show or a standup comedy act. When was Gunn ever a standup comic? It's news to me. And IMHO, standup comics should be allowed to tell filthy jokes about taboo subjects if they so please.

When Gunn is making isolated tweets about taboo subjects, it's harder to explain and find the contexts. And just saying, "Oh when I was in my 40s, I was a wild provocateur and liked to say filthy, taboo things. I'm not like that anymore." It's hard for people to believe or accept that when you read just this list of filthy offensive tweet after tweet.

. . .

First off, public expression should have far MORE liberties than a tv show.

Second, it's insanely easy to explain the context. He was making bad jokes . . . on Twitter . . . which was literally BUILT on people making bad jokes.
Stand up comedians are not the only ones allowed to make jokes, or the only ones allowed to make distasteful jokes. It's not a professional courtesy the world extends to them, it's an inherent reality of ALL freedom of speech.

 

[InvisibleWoman]

Not that my opinion counts for much (as everyone will have different levels of tolerance and thoughts on these matters) but I think Disney made the right call. I read what he tweeted and there's no excusing it. He's talking about rape. He's talking about CHILDREN and rape. I agree that people should be given a second chance and rehabilitation works and I hope he gets that opportunity to prove he really has changed. However, you can't put millions of dollars in someone's pocket after this. It would come across that Disney were endorsing his previous behaviour. Yes, his punishment was a few years late, but zero tolerance shouldn't have a time limit. If it had been discovered that he'd physically assualted someone 10 years ago, would the fact it was 10 years ago make it okay? No. Same thing here.

Anyway, I just don't have much tolerance for "jokes" that involve rape and children. Other people do. As it stands against everything Disney stands for, I don't think they had a choice.

 

[samsnee]

Not that my opinion counts for much (as everyone will have different levels of tolerance and thoughts on these matters) but I think Disney made the right call. I read what he tweeted and there's no excusing it. He's talking about rape. He's talking about CHILDREN and rape. I agree that people should be given a second chance and rehabilitation works and I hope he gets that opportunity to prove he really has changed. However, you can't put millions of dollars in someone's pocket after this. It would come across that Disney were endorsing his previous behaviour. Yes, his punishment was a few years late, but zero tolerance shouldn't have a time limit. If it had been discovered that he'd physically assualted someone 10 years ago, would the fact it was 10 years ago make it okay? No. Same thing here.

Anyway, I just don't have much tolerance for "jokes" that involve rape and children. Other people do. As it stands against everything Disney stands for, I don't think they had a choice.

Same here. Very rarely are they funny, they are more meant to just provoke outrage and "Oh my gosh he went there!" reactions.

I don't know Gunn personally, or follow his Twitter or social media enough to say if he's matured since those tweets were made. Or if he just knows now that he's a mainstream director, he can't make those same jokes anymore. As a business decision, I think you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks Disney didn't do the right thing.

 

[TheVileOne]

That was in his statement about the 'superhero sex list' "satirical post", the entirety of which WAS an apology, IIRC.

Here's his apology:

A couple of years ago I wrote a blog that was meant to be satirical and funny. In rereading it over the past day I don’t think it’s funny. The attempted humor in the blog does not represent my actual feelings. However, I can see where statements were poorly worded and offensive to many. I’m sorry and regret making them at all. People who are familiar with me as evidenced by my Facebook page and other mediums know that I’m an outspoken proponent for the rights of the gay and lesbian community, women and anyone who feels disenfranchised, and it kills me that some other outsider like myself, despite his or her gender or sexuality, might feel hurt or attacked by something I said. We’re all in the same camp, and I want to do my best to make this world a better place for all of us. I’m learning all the time. I promise to be more careful with my words in the future. And I will do my best to be funnier as well. Much love to all

Nothing about the tweets from his apology in November 2012. This was after he got hired by Marvel/Disney.

First off, public expression should have far MORE liberties than a tv show.

Second, it's insanely easy to explain the context. He was making bad jokes . . . on Twitter . . . which was literally BUILT on people making bad jokes.
Stand up comedians are not the only ones allowed to make jokes, or the only ones allowed to make distasteful jokes. It's not a professional courtesy the world extends to them, it's an inherent reality of ALL freedom of speech.

As Gunn himself has pointed out, Freedom of Speech is not Freedom of Consequence. It does not extend to the workplace. It applies to the government not infringing upon his right to free speech...and that didn't happen.

 

[Zarex]

Same here. Very rarely are they funny, they are more meant to just provoke outrage and "Oh my gosh he went there!" reactions.

I don't know Gunn personally, or follow his Twitter or social media enough to say if he's matured since those tweets were made. Or if he just knows now that he's a mainstream director, he can't make those same jokes anymore. As a business decision, I think you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks Disney didn't do the right thing.

I think it's a truly awful business decision. You're letting go of a guy who worked for you for six frikkin years without incident because of stuff he said - not did - before his hiring date. You're losing a guy who made two wildly successful films for you, created a franchise out of nothing, and who was planning on sticking around after his third film to oversee Marvel's cosmic franchises.

And what benefits did Disney receive by acquiescing to a cybernazi? Other than "appearances", which would have blown over anyway after a weekend of pearl clutching. Many of the key cast members are steamed and Kevin Feige - whose contract just happens to be up next year - has been eerily silent. The next installment of GOTG, a series that has brought in over $350M in profits (according to Deadline) is likely to be delayed. That's bad business!

And don't think the cybernazis that support Putin's Boy are going to be satisfied with just one head. Whoopie Goldberg, Seth McFarlane, Sarah Silverman, Hannibal Burress - hell, every comedian ever - should be facing termination based on the Mouse's "No Tolerance for Inappropriate Jokes Told in the Past" policy. Disney effed up.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think it's a truly awful business decision. You're letting go of a guy who worked for you for six frikkin years without incident because of stuff he said - not did - before his hiring date. You're losing a guy who made two wildly successful films for you, created a franchise out of nothing, and who was planning on sticking around after his third film to oversee Marvel's cosmic franchises.

And what benefits did Disney receive by acquiescing to a cybernazi? Other than "appearances", which would have blown over anyway after a weekend of pearl clutching. Many of the key cast members are steamed and Kevin Feige - whose contract just happens to be up next year - has been eerily silent. The next installment of GOTG, a series that has brought in over $350M in profits (according to Deadline) is likely to be delayed. That's bad business!

And don't think the cybernazis that support Putin's Boy are going to be satisfied with just one head. Whoopie Goldberg, Seth McFarlane, Sarah Silverman, Hannibal Burress - hell, every comedian ever - should be facing termination based on the Mouse's "No Tolerance for Inappropriate Jokes Told in the Past" policy. Disney effed up.

Kevin Feige hasn't been eerily silent at all.

It's like someone who has been waiting for a phonecall from a guy or girl all weekend, even when no-one ever said they were going to call, and then assuming that they've suddenly gone silent and are ignoring or ghosting you, and that everything is over.

Only someone getting paranoid about that would start thinking that the silence must be an indication of a breakdown in relationship.

A watched pot never boils.

This happened late Friday night. It's been the weekend. Today is Monday. Feige has not been eerily silent at all.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think it's a truly awful business decision. You're letting go of a guy who worked for you for six frikkin years without incident because of stuff he said - not did - before his hiring date. You're losing a guy who made two wildly successful films for you, created a franchise out of nothing, and who was planning on sticking around after his third film to oversee Marvel's cosmic franchises.

And what benefits did Disney receive by acquiescing to a cybernazi? Other than "appearances", which would have blown over anyway after a weekend of pearl clutching. Many of the key cast members are steamed and Kevin Feige - whose contract just happens to be up next year - has been eerily silent. The next installment of GOTG, a series that has brought in over $350M in profits (according to Deadline) is likely to be delayed. That's bad business!

And don't think the cybernazis that support Putin's Boy are going to be satisfied with just one head. Whoopie Goldberg, Seth McFarlane, Sarah Silverman, Hannibal Burress - hell, every comedian ever - should be facing termination based on the Mouse's "No Tolerance for Inappropriate Jokes Told in the Past" policy. Disney effed up.

Incorrect. Some of them are after he was hired by Disney. He was brought on by Disney in September 2012 if not earlier.

 

[Mysteryman]

I think it's a truly awful business decision. You're letting go of a guy who worked for you for six frikkin years without incident because of stuff he said - not did - before his hiring date. You're losing a guy who made two wildly successful films for you, created a franchise out of nothing, and who was planning on sticking around after his third film to oversee Marvel's cosmic franchises.

And what benefits did Disney receive by acquiescing to a cybernazi? Other than "appearances", which would have blown over anyway after a weekend of pearl clutching. Many of the key cast members are steamed and Kevin Feige - whose contract just happens to be up next year - has been eerily silent. The next installment of GOTG, a series that has brought in over $350M in profits (according to Deadline) is likely to be delayed. That's bad business!

And don't think the cybernazis that support Putin's Boy are going to be satisfied with just one head. Whoopie Goldberg, Seth McFarlane, Sarah Silverman, Hannibal Burress - hell, every comedian ever - should be facing termination based on the Mouse's "No Tolerance for Inappropriate Jokes Told in the Past" policy. Disney effed up.

As The Vile One just pointed out, Some of the tweets were AFTER Gunn was hired by Disney.
Disney was completly justified in their decision to fire him.

 

[Zarex]

There may be some slight overlap between the time Gunn started writing the GOTG script and stopped making stupid Twitter jokes. But my reasoning still stands. Gunn has done excellent work as an independent contractor for Marvel Studios. He hasn't commited any crimes. He publicly apologized. If Disney is going to can folks for past inappropriate jokes there is going to be a bloodletting at the all new Dis-Fox. Just a stupid decision all around.

 

[DyeLorean]

I honestly don't know what to think about this whole thing. I read valid arguments from both sides, and I still can't come up with my own opinion.

 

[marcvader]

It's a difficult situation and I think we can all agree on that.

 

[Dark Raven]

He thought he was Top Gunn: Maverick and could get away with saying anything.

 

[NotNickFury]

Well, Michael Rooker- who I didn't even know had a Twitter account- has announced that he's leaving Twitter and that the account will go inactive.

Yeah...I'm sure that'll show Disney, but okay.

 

[Chance Jackson]

The comments gunn made were 10 years ago and he apologized for it 6 years ago possibly before the Guardians 1 even came out so it's not comparable to the Rosie O'Donnell thing

 

[Frodo]

I think Disney made the right call for their own interests. I've yet to be convinced they didn't make the right call for their own interests.

Now, whether that's fair or not, or Gunn deserved to be fired for his tweets is a separate issue imo.

But as far as what was in the best interest of Disney and they're PR, yeah, they made call imo.

They'd rather have actors and fanboys complaining about Gunn's dismissal then having to explain the context of his remarks, disavow his remarks, but then defend their decision to keep him, to the press.