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[JKKS085]

[... I've decided to delete this specific piece due to the fact that it contains some elements made by other artists who didn't gave their permission.
I hope this deletion will avoid some overreactions in the future ...]

 

[MadMaximus]

That cap post is based off of that first Joe Mad sketch? That one's a definite "holy crap!"

 

[ComicChick]

wow... there are some amazing entries this month! i'm very pleased at the quality thus far

 

[spidey-dude]

what exactly did you create in that image cause the ironman is this guys : http://archangelgabriel.deviantart.com/art/Ironman-Iconic-99457828

it looks great but I hope you havnt just copied and pasted other peoples hard work into a poster (i think Ive seen the hulk in that somewhere too)

 

[5p1d3r]

what exactly did you create in that image cause the ironman is this guys : http://archangelgabriel.deviantart.com/art/Ironman-Iconic-99457828

it looks great but I hope you havnt just copied and pasted other peoples hard work into a poster (i think Ive seen the hulk in that somewhere too)

If that's the case the rules stated on page 1 are pretty clear:

"So there is your assignment if you chose to take it... You should post your artwork here in this thread!
ONLY IMAGES CREATED BY YOU AND POSTED ONLY IN THIS THREAD ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THE CONTEST. By entering the contest you are agreeing that the artwork submitted is original and created by you the artist, and original to this contest and by posting an image you are open to critique!"

I didn't bold it. It was like that. I think I have seen two artists work together on an entry in times past. Maybe he worked with these guys to do this composite.

 

[JKKS085]

The rules are indeed pretty clear:

"Using art/photo reference is okay, I just don't want to see anyone directly COPY an existing piece of ARTWORK... PHOTO-MANIPS are allowed this month!"

I never claimed I made this artwork from nothing.
I found this iron man picture on google and originally think that this was someting made for the video game. I've used it as I could've used any other picture from the movie.

To be pretty clear:
- The Hulk picture is a concept art made by the designer Aaron Sims during the pre-production of The Incredible Hulk.
- The Iron Man picture was made by archangelgabriel (deviantart).
- The Thor picture is based on a sculpt by Randy Bowen
- The Captain America's picture is a 3D render created by Diego Maia (I just painted a more realistic face on it).
-The background comes from a picture taken by Jeremy Keith (BTW this picture appears in the Iron Man movie).

Do I also have to credit Adi Granov for the design of the Iron Man's suit, Jack Kirby & Joe Simon for creating Captain America or the architect of the Cape Canaveral's Vehicle Assembly Building ???

Come on guy's, let's be serious ! This is just a photo-manip created by a fan for an innocent contest. If in this case my artwork is not elligible for the contest, I will be sorry but I'll accept this decision.

Hope I've answered all your questions.
http://archangelgabriel.deviantart.com/art/Ironman-Iconic-99457828

 

[3dman27]

nice

 

[RAMORE]

WWII to modern Day

I like the idea of stylized wings that cover the ears I hat that his ears stick out I just don't know how that won't look goofy on film you know.

 

[Syncos]

The rules are indeed pretty clear:

"Using art/photo reference is okay, I just don't want to see anyone directly COPY an existing piece of ARTWORK... PHOTO-MANIPS are allowed this month!"

I never claimed I made this artwork from nothing.
I found this iron man picture on google and originally think that this was someting made for the video game. I've used it as I could've used any other picture from the movie.

To be pretty clear:
- The Hulk picture is a concept art made by the designer Aaron Sims during the pre-production of The Incredible Hulk.
- The Iron Man picture was made by archangelgabriel (deviantart).
- The Thor picture is based on a sculpt by Randy Bowen
- The Captain America's picture is a 3D render created by Diego Maia (I just painted a more realistic face on it).
-The background comes from a picture taken by Jeremy Keith (BTW this picture appears in the Iron Man movie).

Do I also have to credit Adi Granov for the design of the Iron Man's suit, Jack Kirby & Joe Simon for creating Captain America or the architect of the Cape Canaveral's Vehicle Assembly Building ???

Come on guy's, let's be serious ! This is just a photo-manip created by a fan for an innocent contest. If in this case my artwork is not elligible for the contest, I will be sorry but I'll accept this decision.

Hope I've answered all your questions.

I don't really consider pasting other artists work together as an original artistic piece. You're not using promo pieces or stock photography. You're using works made by artists, and not changing them in a distinguishable enough way to make them in any way your own.

Of course, it's Excelsior's call.

 

[JKKS085]

I don't really consider pasting other artists work together as an original artistic piece

I never said this was an original artistic piece. For god's sake, this is a PHOTO-MANIP !!! And by the way trust me, using such different mediums (sculpt, 3D ...) and trying to make them work is a little more complicated than just pasting several elements together.

You're not using promo pieces or stock photography.

Wait, let me get this straight. I haven't the right to use pieces created by artists but using some promotional material is allowed. So, for instance, you think that the photos taken by Stephen Vaughan on the set of The Dark Knight can't be considered as an "artistic work" because they are promo pieces (wich I'm allowed to use) and that the Iron Man illustration made by archangelgabriel is an artistic work (wich I haven't the right to use). That's a pretty strange way to think.

Once more tell me if I have to credit Bob Kane, Bill Fringer, the designer of the Canon EOS-1D Mark III, the inventor of the camera or the conceptors of Photoshop CS3 when I'm posting stuff like this.
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4366/thedarkknighttheatricalye7.jpg

 

[3dman27]

Here's my entry for the contest:

oh.. my.. god
this is magnificent

 

[Syncos]

I never said this was an original artistic piece. For god's sake, this is a PHOTO-MANIP !!! And by the way trust me, using such different mediums (sculpt, 3D ...) and trying to make them work is a little more complicated than just pasting several elements together.

The fact that it's a photo manip doesn't mean anything. There's plenty of Photo manipulations that have been done very well, with much artistic integrity.

Wait, let me get this straight. I haven't the right to use pieces created by artists but using some promotional material is allowed. So, for instance, you think that the photos taken by Stephen Vaughan on the set of The Dark Knight can't be considered as an "artistic work" because they are promo pieces (wich I'm allowed to use) and that the Iron Man illustration made by archangelgabriel is an artistic work (wich I haven't the right to use). That's a pretty strange way to think.

Promotional materials are created for use, contracted by a company. Fan art, while not as professional (usually), is still supporting the movie in question. Promotional art is still artistic. But is developed to be used by a company in design and other promotional materials, and the artists are compensated for their work.

Someone who's creating something as a personal piece on their own free time is something completely different.

 

[JKKS085]

with much artistic integrity.

THIS doesn't mean anything !
You're expressing an opinion you can't obvisouly justify.
You're forgetting the purpose of all this: having fun.
I'm not selling my stuff, not even claiming that they consist entirely of my own work.
What's the problem ? If my entry isn't elligible for this contest, Excelsior will delete it. And like I said, everything will be OK.

What I want to say is that you don't have to be insulting.
Even using awesome source images, I spent a fu***ing bunch of hours to complete that poster (if it wasn't weeks).

PS: I would like to say thanks for one thing: with this kind of discussions, I can easily work on my english without opening the stupid books I've bought to be ready for my next move t:

 

[Ring Deacon]

Here's my entry for the contest:

Great work. I could see something like this done for the movie poster.

 

[MadMaximus]

Wow this has gotten to be a heated month ;p

 

[vicariou5]

Although both ends have valid points I must put this out there.

Drawing is the honesty of the art. There is no possibility of cheating. It is either good or bad.

Salvador Dali

Regardless of his source images, the image is pretty damn cool. The only thing JKKS085 could have and should have done to prevent this predicament is simply cite the sources. And no you dont have to cite it all, simply the creators of the renders that you left untouched. The Thor manip seems like it was worked on significantly so thats all yours. You changed it to a point where it was far enough from the original to call it your own rendition. Same might go for caps, however iron man and hulk didnt need much change to suit your purpose and thats fine, and thats simply why you should have cited the creators for those two. A nice manip nevertheless.

 

[imaperson2]

I'm sure if that manip was made into a poster of sorts, it wouldn't have been looked down upon.

 

[ComicChick]

The rules are indeed pretty clear:

"Using art/photo reference is okay, I just don't want to see anyone directly COPY an existing piece of ARTWORK... PHOTO-MANIPS are allowed this month!"

I never claimed I made this artwork from nothing.
I found this iron man picture on google and originally think that this was someting made for the video game. I've used it as I could've used any other picture from the movie.

To be pretty clear:
- The Hulk picture is a concept art made by the designer Aaron Sims during the pre-production of The Incredible Hulk.
- The Iron Man picture was made by archangelgabriel (deviantart).
- The Thor picture is based on a sculpt by Randy Bowen
- The Captain America's picture is a 3D render created by Diego Maia (I just painted a more realistic face on it).
-The background comes from a picture taken by Jeremy Keith (BTW this picture appears in the Iron Man movie).

Do I also have to credit Adi Granov for the design of the Iron Man's suit, Jack Kirby & Joe Simon for creating Captain America or the architect of the Cape Canaveral's Vehicle Assembly Building ???

Come on guy's, let's be serious ! This is just a photo-manip created by a fan for an innocent contest. If in this case my artwork is not elligible for the contest, I will be sorry but I'll accept this decision.

Hope I've answered all your questions.
http://archangelgabriel.deviantart.com/art/Ironman-Iconic-99457828

i don't think you should be disqualified, but i think when you manip and use other people's work in your projects, you should always credit the original source, like you did in this post

 

[JKKS085]

Like a said, I first thought that the Iron Man's render was some stuff created for the video game. I didn't even knew the name of the person who did it before spidey-dude told me.
But yes, I think that you're right. I should've cited the creators of the renders I left untouched. I guess it would've been fair.

I'll edit my first post.

PS:

Drawing is the honesty of the art. There is no possibility of cheating. It is either good or bad.

Salvador Dali

That's definitely so true.

 

[ComicChick]

Like a said, I first thought that the Iron Man's render was some stuff created for the video game. I didn't even knew the name of the person who did it before spidey-dude told me.
But yes, I think that you're right. I should've cited the creators of the renders I left untouched. I guess it would've been fair.

I'll edit my first post.

PS:

That's definitely so true.

that's understandable, i've found lots of cool stuff on google that people have grabbed from here and there never knowing its original source.

sometimes you just don't know, and that's fine. but when you know the source (anyone for that matter) and you mention it, it always saves your butt in case someone wants to call you out on it or can identify the original source

that way it can't be spun to say your an art thief or whatever, cuz i have seen people overreact on deviant art and other sites for stuff like this.

covering your butt FTW

 

[spidey-dude]

Like a said, I first thought that the Iron Man's render was some stuff created for the video game. I didn't even knew the name of the person who did it before spidey-dude told me.
But yes, I think that you're right. I should've cited the creators of the renders I left untouched. I guess it would've been fair.

I'll edit my first post.

PS:

That's definitely so true.

I just recognised it as I have the same pic in my favs on deviantart, didnt know where i recognised hulk from though, but that is promo art so I see nothing wrong with using that

 

[RAMORE]

Chillax guys he obviously didn't make each figure, and it's obviously awesome so let's leave it at that um kay

Here's my entry for the contest:

All the credits for the amazing pictures of Iron Man and Hulk are respectively going to Archangel Gabriel (deviantart) and Aaron Sims (who worked on The Incredible Hulk).

 

[KAD]

Like a said, I first thought that the Iron Man's render was some stuff created for the video game. I didn't even knew the name of the person who did it before spidey-dude told me.
But yes, I think that you're right. I should've cited the creators of the renders I left untouched. I guess it would've been fair.

I'll edit my first post.

PS:

That's definitely so true.

Just found it funny your quote specifically mentions drawing

 

[spidey-dude]

Chillax guys he obviously didn't make each figure, and it's obviously awesome so let's leave it at that um kay

why obviously?

 

[MysticMorgan]

I know how it is, I spent a week tracking down an image I did a few years ago at Comics2Film of batman at a gas station filling up his new batmobile (a smart car that I redid) and it still pops up (google image search Batman gas). I wouldn't mind them using it but all the ones I saw had my name removed. So I went after them and asked to put the original up with my name and 9 out of 10 did it some even linked it to one of my galleries. So I see no problem using someones art just give them credit and an email saying can I. I know if you asked me I would say GO FOR IT.

And now let's get back to good old Captain America