BvS Jesse Eisenberg IS Lex Luthor - Part 2

[Black Narcissus]

If Santa Claus and Jesus is still portrayed as white, then Superman should be too.

The real jesus looked more like Oscar Isaac.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Eisenberg is going to be the best Luthor yet. I just know it. I've been thinking a lot about this, and i think i can envision the way he's going to play Lex.

 

[The Question]

Dude why don't you just call me a racist and get it over with. You know you want to. Lol.

Superman has two arms too, hope that's not a problem. It all defines him, his appearance is part of that.

You're wrong, man. That's all there is to it. Superman's still Superman, regardless of what he looks like. Being a white dude doesn't define him. What Superman is about and who he is as a character runs much deeper than that.

I honestly don't think you're a racist, I just think you're devoted to this notion that things should change as little as humanly possible when adapting something to another medium, and I see no value in that kind of outlook.

Change is a good thing, it can be refreshing. And you can change a fictional character while still staying true to what that fictional a character is all about. Change like that is important for a long running franchise, it keeps things from getting stale. Fighting change the way you're describing, I think, is very very bad for a franchise. A fresh perspective, altering some basic surface details, they don't detract from a property, they add to it, inject new life and new purpose into it.

You ask, if a change doesn't improve the story then why do it? Beyond the cultural significance of making the kind of change I've been talking about, another answer is simply this: Who doesn't want to see a new interpretation of an old standard? How is that not fresh and exciting? Taking something we all know and love, keeping true to what it's about at it's core, but presenting it to us in a way we've never seen before. That's what keeps long running franchises alive. What you're talking about is what kills them.


And Sam Jackson would make an amazing Lex Luthor, did you see Unbreakable, Mr. Glass was Lex Luthor-ing all over the place, I really have no idea what you're talking about with that one.

 

[Asgard]

I cant wait to see Luthor in all his fast talking, crackly voiced, jittery, monotone glory!

 

[RadioSha]

He may not have a full suit, but I see him with a blazer at least. I see Eisenberg with something stylish like this perhaps

I could totally see him wearing blazer or just a button down with just a vest. Heck, for a modern take on Lex, he could be very fashionable- but not too overkill of course.

I can't waittttttt.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Jesse is dating Mia Wasikowska.

Damn.

Attaboy.

 

[John-An]

Ozymandias style.

Has someone said style?

 

[The Question]

Actually probably looked more like Bin Laden...but that's not the point....a real Superman may look like Alf for all we know.

I've always been in favor of the notion that the Superman mythos take a page from my all time favorite Superman-inspired hero, Icon. Kryptonians look nothing like humans, but Kal-El's ship used SCIENCE! to disguise him as a human based on the features of the first humans to approach the craft, the Kents.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Has someone said style?

Huh?

 

[Lobo]

I love Icon and want to see him get his own film. I'm new to Icon fandom, though. May have to post some questions in the DC question thread.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

I cant wait to see Luthor in all his fast talking, crackly voiced, jittery, monotone glory!

Hey if RDJ can get away with being "witty" jittery type than why can't Jesse as Lex right?

 

[STARMAN]

Twenty-four hours after the casting announcement and it looks like we've already run out of things to say about it.

 

[Jekecy]

I've always been in favor of the notion that the Superman mythos take a page from my all time favorite Superman-inspired hero, Icon. Kryptonians look nothing like humans, but Kal-El's ship used SCIENCE! to disguise him as a human based on the features of the first humans to approach the craft, the Kents.

Please, tell (or point) me to more of this story. This has literally been in my head for years, but I was unsure how it came about. I've always found it to be an interesting revision, though understandably a potentially explosive change among fandom.

 

[Asgard]

Hey if RDJ can get away with being "witty" jittery type than why can't Jesse as Lex right?

RDJ plays it off cool. Eisenberg is just awkward.

 

[Tempest]

Please, tell (or point) me to more of this story. This has literally been in my head for years, but I was unsure how it came about. I've always found it to be an interesting revision, though understandably a potentially explosive change among fandom.

I don't know about what the OP said, but in the old Superman/Batman comics, there was an arc where it was suggested that this was done to Clark. "Enemies Among Us", I think, was the title. It wasn't the reality, but I always liked the idea.

 

[The Question]

Please, tell (or point) me to more of this story. This has literally been in my head for years, but I was unsure how it came about. I've always found it to be an interesting revision, though understandably a potentially explosive change among fandom.

Icon was one of the flagship titles of a sadly defunct DC imprint called Milestone comics, created by the late Dwayne McDuffie and featuring (appropriately enough for the tangent this thread went on) predominantly non-white superheroes and super villains in a Detroit-inspired midwestern city called Dakota. Icon was an immortal alien who crash landed on Earth in the 1850s and was raised by slaves in the American south. He went public with his superhuman abilities in the early 90s and became a Superman-like figure after being urged into using his powers more pro-actively by a teenage girl who he then took on as his sidekick, Rocket. Icon, along with most of the Milestone books, is a phenomenal read. Worthing going back issue hunting for.

 

[Lobo]

Please, tell (or point) me to more of this story. This has literally been in my head for years, but I was unsure how it came about. I've always found it to be an interesting revision, though understandably a potentially explosive change among fandom.

The Question is referring to the Milestone Comics character Icon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icon_(comics)

He is now part of the main DCU

 

[747]

You're wrong, man. That's all there is to it. Superman's still Superman, regardless of what he looks like. Being a white dude doesn't define him. What Superman is about and who he is as a character runs much deeper than that.

I honestly don't think you're a racist, I just think you're devoted to this notion that things should change as little as humanly possible when adapting something to another medium, and I see no value in that kind of outlook.

Change is a good thing, it can be refreshing. And you can change a fictional character while still staying true to what that fictional a character is all about. Change like that is important for a long running franchise, it keeps things from getting stale. Fighting change the way you're describing, I think, is very very bad for a franchise. A fresh perspective, altering some basic surface details, they don't detract from a property, they add to it, inject new life and new purpose into it.

You ask, if a change doesn't improve the story then why do it? Beyond the cultural significance of making the kind of change I've been talking about, another answer is simply this: Who doesn't want to see a new interpretation of an old standard? How is that not fresh and exciting? Taking something we all know and love, keeping true to what it's about at it's core, but presenting it to us in a way we've never seen before. That's what keeps long running franchises alive. What you're talking about is what kills them.

 

[MrsKent26]

RDJ plays it off cool. Eisenberg is just awkward.

Is he always awkward or did he just play awkward in the Social Network?

 

[Asgard]

Is he always awkward or did he just play awkward in the Social Network?

No, its pretty much there in all of the movies Ive seen of his. He hasnt shown much range.

 

[Mad Love]

 

[Kevin Smith]

You're wrong, man. That's all there is to it. Superman's still Superman, regardless of what he looks like. Being a white dude doesn't define him. What Superman is about and who he is as a character runs much deeper than that.

It all defines him. What Superman looks like is what makes him Superman, visually.

I honestly don't think you're a racist, I just think you're devoted to this notion that things should change as little as humanly possible when adapting something to another medium, and I see no value in that kind of outlook.

Unless they have some change that is superior to the source material them they should never change, period. Do new stories sure, but keep the characters the same.

Change is a good thing, it can be refreshing.

The right kind always is.

And you can change a fictional character while still staying true to what that fictional a character is all about. Change like that is important for a long running franchise, it keeps things from getting stale. Fighting change the way you're describing, I think, is very very bad for a franchise. A fresh perspective, altering some basic surface details, they don't detract from a property, they add to it, inject new life and new purpose into it.

Changing things for the better that were so-so or weak to begin with is ways good, anytime you can improve on what's already there, go ahead. But there are some things you can't improve on and are ready perfect and working and so far from broken the way they are, and that is much of what we're talking about.

If Superman should ever be in mothballs and forgotten and completely wrecked and unsalvageable as a character and just in great danger of being forgotten and irrelevant as a character, then revision the hell out of him and change everything and make the brand successful again. Make him black. Make him a squid. Make him a cloud. I don't care. But don't do it until then.

You ask, if a change doesn't improve the story then why do it? Beyond the cultural significance of making the kind of change I've been talking about, another answer is simply this: Who doesn't want to see a new interpretation of an old standard? How is that not fresh and exciting?

Seeing a black or Hispanic Superman doesn't excite me one bit and does nothing for the character.

Taking something we all know and love, keeping true to what it's about at it's core, but presenting it to us in a way we've never seen before. That's what keeps long running franchises alive. What you're talking about is what kills them.

And changing Superman's race is what will save him should there ever be something wrong with him, because God knows if there'd ever be something wrong with him, we could absolutely attribute that to him being white.

And Sam Jackson would make an amazing Lex Luthor, did you see Unbreakable, Mr. Glass was Lex Luthor-ing all over the place, I really have no idea what you're talking about with that one.

We're just not going to agree dude. He's Sam Jackson being Sam Jackson in that movie like he is in everything he's in but with an art fetish, there's nothing subtle or cerebral about his performance, he has no cunning about him. The angry shouting boisterous ahole he is in real life always comes through in whatever he's in. Sam Jackson makes a perfect Ultimate Nick Fury but that's about it. Lex Luthor he is not - not in a million years.

 

[Lily Adler]

Lexinberg vs. Cav-El, Batfleck, and WonderGal.

Maybe Rockseid is watching.

 

[Lily Adler]

Maybe for his first act of villainry, Lexinberg steals forty cakes...

 

[Black Narcissus]

Lexinberg vs. Cav-El, Batfleck, and WonderGal.

Maybe Rockseid is watching.

Snyder seems like he would read forums.