BvS Jesse Eisenberg IS Lex Luthor - Part 2

[Lantern Venom]

If we were going to do a black Superman...would racism be part of the story, or would he just happen to be black? Would Lois be black or caucasian...or even Asian or Indian...? Joe-El, etc....?

Superman looking human at all is a coincidence (actually, it's a conceptual flaw) and his skin color is completely irrelevant. He's an alien, so he's an outsider trying to fit in with any and all human societies.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

To be honest, if I hadn't seen The Social Network, I'd be really skeptical. But since I have, it's giving me faith that this'll work.

Yep, him telling the winklevoss twins that they weren't intellectually capable of doing what he did sold me.

 

[John-An]

Huh?

just to calm down this thread

 

[Kevin Smith]

See, I think that this should be a principle that's outside of emotion or character preference. For example...if we look at it as art, and a core part of that artistic expression...then if I appreciate that it should apply to all characters whether I like them or not. In that respect...Billy Dee Williams as Harvey Dent in '89, Fishburne as Perry White or whatever should probably bother one just as much as the idea of making Superman black not because of race but because none of that should be changed...just as an originally black character shouldn't be changed to a caucasian or any other race.

But it can be a slippery slope any way you look at it.

I knew someone was going to say that and that's exactly why I look at it the way I do in an objective way, not just an emotional one, that the rules should apply to most, if not ALL the characters, either it's all okay or none of it is type attitude for the most part.

That being said though, art as a medium is SUPPOSED to garner an emotional reaction; in fact, it it doesn't provoke one, a strong one, good or bad, then it's not doing its job, so I think the fact that many people do have such strong emotional ties to many characters is a testament to the strength and duration and the genius of the character creations.

 

[MrsKent26]

When the character no longer works the way he is, whatever that may be. I mean there are exceptions, like if Clark Kent or Bruce Wayne were slave owners, that wouldn't exactly be cool and might be just a LITTLE taboo, so that'd need to go, but on the whole the things that work ought to be left alone...until they don't work anymore....whenever that may be.



Some I am, some I'm not. Some are good, some aren't. Some worked, some didn't.



Jesus Chris. I'm not talking about updating the character like giving him straight leg pants instead of bell bottoms or letting him have a cell phone instead of sending telegrams, that kind of thing is obvious and goes without saying, I'm talking about changing what Superman is, as a character, as a work of art, as a visual, as everything that makes him iconic and identifiable - those things must always remain unless the character is on life support and in danger of being wiped out, then you can come in with your little racial changes and your costume and power and name redesigns and do whatever you want to get it successful and popular again.

Superman's whiteness is not what defines him and neither is Perry's.

Comics were started in a time when there weren't many non-white characters featured in media. Things are different now. So CBMs need to keep up.

But you seem to be getting upset, so we should end this discussion. We can agree to disagree.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Jesse is looking more mature these days.




He has a good facial bone structure and the right cheekbones for Luthor.

Disagreed on all counts. Luthor looks authoritative; Eisenberg looks like a teen dreaming about video games, his first kiss with a real live girl, and Cheetos. This is more proof that WB has really never had an understanding of the visual aspect of comics books and how to translate them to live action.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

^ I can see it.

Man with those pics of Jesse, and remembering him from that magicians film... Yeah, I am now more down with this than ever. Long haired or shaved I think I am in for a treat come 2016.

I can definitely see it.

I can dig it.

Yeah, I can see it.

And everyone else will see it too, come 2015.

Didn't you get the memo? Jesse is going to be a successful 16 year old businessman. Who cares if he looks mature.

Must've missed that memo.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Would he be less iconic if he wasn't white?

Only if he wasn't created that way.

 

[MrMaooz]

Trust me. Any skeptics out there that haven't seen The Social Network must watch it. First off, it's a fantastic movie. Second, Jesse is great. Armie Hammer isn't Superman, but Jesse was easily able to intimidate the big guy.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Disagreed on all counts. Luthor looks authoritative; Eisenberg looks like a teen dreaming about video games, his first kiss with a real live girl, and Cheetos. This is more proof that WB has really never had an understanding of the visual aspect of comics books and how to translate them to live action.

Oh look, one of these posts with conclusion jumping all over the place. Proof has a definition, I suggest you look it up. Unless you've seen his screen test or somehow the movie?

 

[MrsKent26]

He has a good facial bone structure and the right cheekbones for Luthor.

Disagreed on all counts. Luthor looks authoritative; Eisenberg looks like a teen dreaming about video games, his first kiss with a real live girl, and Cheetos. This is more proof that WB has really never had an understanding of the visual aspect of comics books and how to translate them to live action.

I think he looks somewhat mature and confident in the pictures above.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Trust me. Any skeptics out there that haven't seen The Social Network must watch it. First off, it's a fantastic movie. Second, Jesse is great. Armie Hammer isn't Superman, but Jesse was easily able to intimidate the big guy.

One of my favorite films of all time. t:

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Disagreed on all counts. Luthor looks authoritative; Eisenberg looks like a teen dreaming about video games, his first kiss with a real live girl, and Cheetos. This is more proof that WB has really never had an understanding of the visual aspect of comics books and how to translate them to live action.

In the top two pics I posted I think he does look mature, confident and authoritative.

I think he looks somewhat mature and confident in the pictures above.

Yeah, I think so too.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

Disagreed on all counts. Luthor looks authoritative; Eisenberg looks like a teen dreaming about video games, his first kiss with a real live girl, and Cheetos. This is more proof that WB has really never had an understanding of the visual aspect of comics books and how to translate them to live action.

I disagree with everything you say here. Proof?? The movie has not even come out yet and you haven't seen Jesse's performance yet!

A teen? Jesse is 30 years old! lol

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

On the face of it, Luthor would be a guy that IS the smartest guy in the room at any given time and he would be of the mind to flaunt that in some way. If he had the prestige of being a tech/business wunderkind then that becomes even more a side of him we should see. Yeah, I think Jesse can handle this part well.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Superman's whiteness is not what defines him and neither is Perry's.

Comics were started in a time when there weren't many non-white characters featured in media. Things are different now. So CBMs need to keep up.

But you seem to be getting upset, so we should end this discussion. We can agree to disagree.

Superman is white, and should continue to be white until he no longer works anymore that way.

Same goes for all the characters of their respective individual appearances.

And I'm not upset...maybe a little irritated that people seem oblivious to what should be obvious. I'm actually a little hungry right now, truthfully. Lol.

 

[Bad Superman]

Disagreed on all counts. Luthor looks authoritative; Eisenberg looks like a teen dreaming about video games, his first kiss with a real live girl, and Cheetos. This is more proof that WB has really never had an understanding of the visual aspect of comics books and how to translate them to live action.

Totally agree.

Oh look, one of these posts with conclusion jumping all over the place. Proof has a definition, I suggest you look it up. Unless you've seen his screen test or somehow the movie?

You could say the same of the "feel good" and "optimist" posts of supporters who assure "everyone will see how "good" Eisenberg's crap casting is. . . . .

 

[kendalag]

That curly hair of Jesse makes him look so darn young ... his look in Now You See Me makes him look more older and mature ... who knows what he looks like bald, but with that look and the facial hair, it works.

Either way, it's all going to come down to how they want 'their' Lex Luthor to be ... maybe he's the perfect fit for the Lex Luthor they want to portray in this universe.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

You are grim.

 

[MrMaooz]

One of my favorite films of all time. t:

Yeah, the movie is a masterpiece. 2 hours of drama that is never boring. Great performances and just a super entertaining movie. It's perfect! t:

Guys, I can't stress it enough. Go watch The Social Network if you haven't. Puhleeeeeeeaz!

 

[John-An]

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I think the "optimists" are pointing out how this can/could work and countering the opinions of those that are anti-Jesse.

 

[SpideyFan866]

To be honest, if I hadn't seen The Social Network, I'd be really skeptical. But since I have, it's giving me faith that this'll work.

This scene has been playing over and over in my head for the past 24 hours:

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And every time, I think: "Yeah..... he's Lex Luthor."

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I think the funniest thing I've seen someone say about Jesse on here was calling him a manlet. I had never heard that word before and when I looked it up, I couldn't stop laughing.

 

[Kevin Smith]

And everyone else will see it too, come 2015.

Did you...did you say 2015?