BvS Jesse Eisenberg IS Lex Luthor - Part 2

[Kevin Smith]

Icon was one of the flagship titles of a sadly defunct DC imprint called Milestone comics, created by the late Dwayne McDuffie and featuring (appropriately enough for the tangent this thread went on) predominantly non-white superheroes and super villains in a Detroit-inspired midwestern city called Dakota. Icon was an immortal alien who crash landed on Earth in the 1850s and was raised by slaves in the American south. He went public with his superhuman abilities in the early 90s and became a Superman-like figure after being urged into using his powers more pro-actively by a teenage girl who he then took on as his sidekick, Rocket. Icon, along with most of the Milestone books, is a phenomenal read. Worthing going back issue hunting for.

Make that into a movie.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I can now see Jesse doing Lex in public in a way very close to his persona when he does interviews for press junkets and the like. His behind closed doors manner (perhaps when he is alone with Mercy Graves and Dr. Sydney Happersen? ) would be ice cold and ruthless to the core. I get a feeling this is what we may see come 2016.

 

[Lily Adler]

How about Lex creates a generator made from an alternative fuel... what if the alternative fuel is... KRYPTONITE! DUN-DUN-DUUUUUUUUUUN.

Ya know if it exists and what not.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Do you feel that way about all white superhero characters?

I feel that way about most, if not all characters about each of their respective races/sexes/what have you, especially those with which I have strong emotional investments in.

You do make a good point about change...in that we should ask what is it that needs changing first. Or...do we believe at times that people don't realize they needed a change until you actually change it and shake it up....for the sake of change?

It's almost always obvious when a change is needed....things have become stale and the characters are failing...the same old same old just isn't cutting it anymore for whatever reason...THAT'S when you change things and "shake things up".

 

[747]

Why does a change has to be purely superior for one, why can't it be just as great but in another way? Why so black and white in thinking? I believe in that there is more than one great way to do something! Everything staying literally the same in every incarnation would be so boring to me.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Are there not ALREADY more than enough threads about possible ethnic/racial changes to comic book characters here on SHHype forums? How is any of this germane to the fact that traditionally white Lex Luthor is being played by white actor Jesse Eisenberg?

 

[MrMaooz]

I was really hoping they'd cast Michael Cera to be honest. Y'know what? F**k it. Let Cera be Jesse's stunt double.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Why does a change has to be purely superior for one, why can't it be just as great but in another way?

There's no such thing, and if there is, there's a word for that - pointless. A change can only be good or bad. Always is, no matter what the situation. There is no "neutral". Neutral, by definition, means not moving, means nothing.

Why so black and white in thinking? I believe in that there is more than one great way to do something! Everything staying literally the same in every incarnation would be so boring to me.

Superman and Batman are white. White males with dark hair. It works until it doesn't anymore, if it doesn't anymore. Deal with it.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

I was really hoping they'd cast Michael Cera to be honest. Y'know what? F**k it. Let Cera be Jesse's stunt double.

Nah, Andy Samberg.

 

[MrsKent26]

It's almost always obvious when a change is needed....things have become stale and the characters are failing...the same old same old just isn't cutting it anymore for whatever reason...THAT'S when you change things and "shake things up".

And when does this happen, according to you? Are changing social conditions not a valid reason? You seem so resistant to change for comic book characters, that I wonder what qualifies as a necessary change to you.

Also, almost all comic book characters that have been put in a movie have been changed in some way (some more than others). Are you unhappy about all those changes?

Change is a part of life and will always, always happen. The characters need to change to stay exciting. Comics themselves change immensely over time. Look at the very first superman comics and compare them with superman comics in the 70's, the 90's and now. Very different. Those comics change with the times and so do movies. They have to adapt or die.

 

[Tanin]

I was really hoping they'd cast Michael Cera to be honest. Y'know what? F**k it. Let Cera be Jesse's stunt double.

I've seen more range out of Cera TBH....

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Are there not ALREADY more than enough threads about possible ethnic/racial changes to comic book characters here on SHHype forums? How is any of this germane to the fact that traditionally white Lex Luthor is being played by white actor Jesse Eisenberg?

Yeah, is it really that hard to contain it to the Barry Allen thread, where race change is actually a possibility? This entire discussion is out of place because Lex's race in this film is the same as it's been in the comics for decades.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Jesse is looking more mature these days.

He has a good facial bone structure and the right cheekbones for Luthor.

 

[MrsKent26]

^ I can see it.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Man with those pics of Jesse, and remembering him from that magicians film... Yeah, I am now more down with this than ever. Long haired or shaved I think I am in for a treat come 2016.

 

[MrMaooz]

I've seen more range out of Cera TBH....

Cera was awesome in This Is The End.

Jesse is looking more mature these days.

He has a good facial bone structure and the right cheekbones for Luthor.

Didn't you get the memo? Jesse is going to be a successful 16 year old businessman. Who cares if he looks mature.

 

[Kevin Smith]

And when does this happen, according to you? Are changing social conditions not a valid reason? You seem so resistant to change for comic book characters, that I wonder what qualifies as a necessary change to you.

When the character no longer works the way he is, whatever that may be. I mean there are exceptions, like if Clark Kent or Bruce Wayne were slave owners, that wouldn't exactly be cool and might be just a LITTLE taboo, so that'd need to go, but on the whole the things that work ought to be left alone...until they don't work anymore....whenever that may be.

Also, almost all comic book characters that have been put in a movie have been changed in some way (some more than others). Are you unhappy about all those changes?

Some I am, some I'm not. Some are good, some aren't. Some worked, some didn't.

Change is a part of life and will always, always happen. The characters need to change to stay exciting. Comics themselves change immensely over time. Look at the very first superman comics and compare them with superman comics in the 70's, the 90's and now. Very different. Those comics change with the times and so do movies. They have to adapt or die.

Jesus Christ. I'm not talking about updating the character like giving him straight leg pants instead of bell bottoms or letting him have a cell phone instead of sending telegrams, that kind of thing is obvious and goes without saying, I'm talking about changing what Superman is, as a character, as a work of art, as a visual, as everything that makes him iconic and identifiable - those things must always remain unless the character is on life support and in danger of being wiped out, then you can come in with your little racial changes and your costume and power and name redesigns and do whatever you want to get it successful and popular again.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Jesse is looking more mature these days.

He has a good facial bone structure and the right cheekbones for Luthor.

I can definitely see it.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Jesse is looking more mature these days.

He has a good facial bone structure and the right cheekbones for Luthor.

I can dig it.

 

[MrMaooz]

To be honest, if I hadn't seen The Social Network, I'd be really skeptical. But since I have, it's giving me faith that this'll work.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I hope if Jesse keeps the hair it's at least a little more close cropped and neat. I see Luthor as a more neat and tidy type more so than a chaotic genius. But that's me.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

When the character no longer works the way he is, whatever that may be. I mean there are exceptions, like if Clark Kent or Bruce Wayne owned slaves, that wouldn't be cool, but on the whole the things that work ought to be left alone...until they don't work anymore....whenever that may be.



Some I am, some I'm not. Some are good, some aren't. Some worked, some didn't.



Jesus Chris. I'm not talking about updating the character like giving him straight leg pants instead of bell bottoms or letting him have a cell phone instead of sending telegrams, that kind of thing is obvious and goes without saying, I'm talking about changing what Superman is, as a character, as a work of art, as a visual, as everything that makes him iconic and identifiable - those things must always remain unless the character is on life support and in danger of being wiped out, then you can come in with your little racial changes and your costume and power and name redesigns and do whatever you want to get it successful and popular again.

Worth noting that everytime Supes appearance has been drastically altered it ended up being a mistake and getting changed back. Superman is well past where I draw the line on visual changes as big as race. I would hold that actor to a standard so high that they couldn't dream of meeting it.


And I seriously hate you guys now. I just got pulled into the out of place race debate in the Eisenberg thread.

 

[John-An]

Jesse is looking more mature these days.

He has a good facial bone structure and the right cheekbones for Luthor.

Yeah, I can see it.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

To be honest, if I hadn't seen The Social Network, I'd be really skeptical. But since I have, it's giving me faith that this'll work.

Agreed.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

This will not be the same kid from Zombieland. The interesting thing about this movie is that if done right, it should prove the abilities of a lot of actors in the eyes of the GA. Affleck as Batman, Gadot as Wonder Woman and now Eisenberg as Luthor.