JLA vs avengers

[The_Mystery]

I'm talkin' about the 1st meeting in the 2nd book of the series.

 

[Varient]

I think someones taking the portal in a fight too seriously i was just asking a question...but im sure he has done it at least once..have u read every single one of thor's fights to know he hasnt done it?

I'm saying that Thor has had enough tough fights to where if he were prone to "whip up a portal" against sumbody his level or greater,... he'd a done it against Juggernaut,.. the Centinals(sp), ALL incarnations of the Destroyer, Ultron,.. Wonderman,... Etc,..

But he doesn't.

"I'm just sayin"

 

[Varient]

3. Why is it assumed that the God Blast will be utilized? Both are BoyScouts in their own ways and Superman could literally set his heat vision to vaporize, (He is canoned to be able to adjust aperture and intensity), and just waste Thor? Because both are "reluctant" to terminate living intelligent beings,... I don't see him pulling that out unless the planet was in danger or he was in fear of losing his Immortal life,.. So get off the "GOD BLAST TRUMPS ALL" riff.

God Blast. I was always curious why people thought Thor would fall back on it no matter what. He only ever uses the God Blast in dire situations, not just ANY situation. Unless Superman posed a humongous threat, Thor wouldn't consider using it..

I AGREE,... He's not using that unless the stuff hits the fan,....


5. Why is it assumed that Marvel Asgardian Godlet trumps DC Kryptonian Orphan? There are A LOT of characters who Thor cannot whoop in his universe who happen to be Aliens,.. Starting with Thanos and working your way up. (SMILE) Read the Origion of "Beta-Ray-Bill" for an example of sumbody from another planet who WHOOPED THOR.

The assumption of the God/Man is made on magic. And not really just the standard any magic beats Superman stereotype, but more of the powerful, far more destructive magic Thor wields, like his high end lightning and windstorms which should give him the edge. Though I agree that shouldn't give him an automatic win. It's not like Superman has never fought someone like Thor before. However, to be fair, you can't just super count the Beta Ray/Thor fight as a comparable fight, as Thor was given a handicap to fight Beta Ray to see who was the true bearer of Mjolnir.

My point only being that They (the fans I'm arguing too hard with) believe it's an easy win period. Thor CONTROLS Lightning and creates STORMS thru magical means,.. the Stuff AIN'T MAGIC. Ironman once tried to analyze the lightning he was throwing down and it was determined to just be Lightning,... not magical,.. just produced using magic, (Distinct difference), It's in his Skill set that he CONTROLS The Storm. Him hitting supes with A Gadjillion/Zillion Volts will Perm the man of steels hair,... and delouse his costume,.. but nothing else.
(Okay,.. It'll leave him smoking a lil too.)

And you are right,.. to be fair,.. Thor got whooped by Beta-ray w/o his hammer,...... But he has been beat in his own Universe while using that thing,... Mantis wrapped her thighs around him and put him down,...(For example) , Much to Everyones surprise. And it's an easy bet that short of IronFist there isn't a Martial artist who can tweak Supes the same way.

 

[The_Mystery]

He did it against the Destroyer.

 

[Varient]

As far as I am concerned, untill it's proven otherwise, Galactus vs sentry is canon. Just because a mind wipe made everyone forget, doesn't mean that it was somehow wiped from continuity. It seems to me those who argue against it do so because admitting it happened would be to admit Sentry is way beyond even superman.

I'm really comfortable with the "sometimes" Superman Sentry.

I'm irritated how he has days where he is proof against going into the sun on monday,.. and getting a papercut on tuesday,.... but this is FULLY expected from Marvel. You just can't have a Full-Time Superman class Hero in the Marvel Universe,.... Most of the Major threats just become a minor thing.

Sorta the way Wolverine survives stuff that would make Thor Pause,...

 

[The_Mystery]

I've never said it would be an easy win for Thor or any of the Avengers characters. The title of the thread is "JLA vs. Avengers." As a whole, the Avengers would be able to take about the JLA due to four reasons. 1. Leadership(Cap, Tony, Reed, Clint, T'Challa); 2. Intellect.(Tony, Reed, Pym, Beast, T'Challa); 3. Brute Force(Thor, Sentry, Hercules, Wonderman, Hulk, Cage); 4. Power(Thor, Tony, Quasar, Crystal, Wanda, etc). I'm not saying that the JLA doesn't have memebers to fit those roles, I'm saying that as a collective, the Avengers work alot better together than the JLA. The JLA are problem solvers. In most all their stories they are portrayed as such. They seem to look for the way out of a fight with the least amount of violence. The Avengers FIGHT. It's what they do best. Their ranks are full of member who are too stubborn or hard headed to know when to lay down. They seem to specialize in finding away to fight their way to a win no matter how impossible to odds. Not saying the the JLA don't do that, but the Avengers, going by their stories, seem to be legendary for it.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Sorry about the late reply. I apparently passed out. Damn medication.

THEN EXPLAIN HOW A MAGIC CARD CAN CUT SUPES ENOUGH TO MAKE HIM BLEED, OR MAGIC LIGHTING HURTING HIM, OR CAPTAIN MARVEL'S FISTS KNOCKING HIM OUT, OR WONDER WOMAN'S "ENCHANTED" SWORD CUTTING HIM?

Superman is vulnerable to magic, not weakened in it's presence such as Kryptonite

DID YOU JUST SAY "KARATE KID IS WAAAY BETTER" THAN CAPTAIN AMERICA? OH DEAR GOD...

Well... Why wouldn't he be? He can destroy carbonized steel with his fists, while NOT at peak human strength, is blinding fast, where Cap doesn't break nearly as much stuff sans his shield.

I NEVER SAID KILL THEM, I JUST SAID THAT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE FLASH CAN TAKE DOWN A WHOLE TEAM, CAUSE I REALLY NEVER SEEN HIM DO IT. BESIDES, QUICKSILVER JUST NEEDS TO HOLD HIM OFF LONG ENOUGH TO GET SOME HELP FROM SOMEONE LIKE SAY, WANDA OR VISION. AIN'T NO WAY THE FLASH CAN BEAT THE VISION.

Quicksilver only moves at...3 times the speed of sound at ocean level? That's barely around 1000 mph. Flash is a light speed runner. That's about 180 something thousand miles a second. That, and he can steal speed and such from him.

TONY HAS ENOUGH FIREPOWER TO TAKE OUT BOTH WONDER WOMAN AND GL. DON'T BELIEVE ME, GO READ JLA/AVENGERS. IF A MANHUNTER CAN GIVE HAL A RUN FOR HIS MONEY, TONY WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM TAKING OUT THE PRETTY BOY PILOT.

Hmm... I doubt it. Tony's fast, Tony is destructive. But the people he is taking down can definitely go toe to toe with Namor, who's taken down Tony more than once, and the other can possibly contain supernovae with his ring, and definitely give out planetary destructive force.

ACTUALLY, I WOULD SAY THEY ARE ABOUT THE SAME DURABILITY. WONDY HAS SHE-HULK BEAT IN SKILL AND SHE CAN FLY. NOT TO MENTION THE LASSO.

I don't know. Jennifer seems to bleed easier. But I may be wrong.

LET ME PUT IF THIS WAY: IF WANDA DOESN'T WANT ZATANNA TO EXIST..."BYE, BYE, ZATANNA."

I'm pretty sure we're not talking about super ultra cosmic level Wanda which nothing short of Galactus can take care of.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I'm really comfortable with the "sometimes" Superman Sentry.

I'm irritated how he has days where he is proof against going into the sun on monday,.. and getting a papercut on tuesday,.... but this is FULLY expected from Marvel. You just can't have a Full-Time Superman class Hero in the Marvel Universe,.... Most of the Major threats just become a minor thing.

Sorta the way Wolverine survives stuff that would make Thor Pause,...

Agreed. I would love a constant Sentry. And while it's in one way endearing, it's just as damaging, as it's almost impossible to use him in a comparison sort of way.

 

[Vanguard07]

Man... i'd love to see Iron Fist vs Karate Kid.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

My point only being that They (the fans I'm arguing too hard with) believe it's an easy win period. Thor CONTROLS Lightning and creates STORMS thru magical means,.. the Stuff AIN'T MAGIC. Ironman once tried to analyze the lightning he was throwing down and it was determined to just be Lightning,... not magical,.. just produced using magic, (Distinct difference), It's in his Skill set that he CONTROLS The Storm. Him hitting supes with A Gadjillion/Zillion Volts will Perm the man of steels hair,... and delouse his costume,.. but nothing else.
(Okay,.. It'll leave him smoking a lil too.)

And you are right,.. to be fair,.. Thor got whooped by Beta-ray w/o his hammer,...... But he has been beat in his own Universe while using that thing,... Mantis wrapped her thighs around him and put him down,...(For example) , Much to Everyones surprise. And it's an easy bet that short of IronFist there isn't a Martial artist who can tweak Supes the same way.

I always thought the lightning WAS magic, I must've missed an issue or two with Iron Man there. Thanks for the update.

And Mantis has put many a man "down" by wrapping her thighs around them. Thor is half mortal, after all.

 

[Anubis]

Man... i'd love to see Iron Fist vs Karate Kid.

You must like ass whippin's, cuz IF isn't even in the same league as Karate Kid. We're talking about a guy who can take down Daximites by his damnself. (That would be guys with superman's powers only their weakness is lead or something instead of Kryptonite.)

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Man... i'd love to see Iron Fist vs Karate Kid.

I'd feel bad for Iron Fist

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

You must like ass whippin's, cuz IF isn't even in the same league as Karate Kid. We're talking about a guy who can take down Daximites by his damnself. (That would be guys with superman's powers only their weakness is lead or something instead of Kryptonite.)

It is lead.

 

[Varient]

I always thought the lightning WAS magic, I must've missed an issue or two with Iron Man there. Thanks for the update.

And Mantis has put many a man "down" by wrapping her thighs around them. Thor is half mortal, after all.

Plug part one:

Intelligence: Above Normal (5/10)
Strength: Superhuman Class 100 (11/12)
Speed: Superhuman (6/10)
Flight Speed: Unrevealed, probably Escape Velocity (9/12)
Stamina: Godlike (9/10)
Durability: Metahuman (9/14)
Agility: Superhuman (6/7)
Reflexes: Superhuman (6/7)

Fighting Skills: Trained in Asgardian arts of war, highly skilled hand-to-hand combatant, proficient with most Asgardian weaponry, highly skilled in the use of his hammer

Special Skills/Abilities: Due to his life as Don Blake, Thor possesses considerable knowledge and expertise in medicine.

Superhuman physical powers: Aside from the above listed attributes, an extremely long life span and immunity to all Earthly diseases

Superhuman Mental Powers: Control over his hammer, Mjolnir. Although Thor traditionally employed Mjolnir to command the powers of the storm, he could also generate such power himself. As the Lord of Asgard, Thor possessed the Odinpower, which enabled him to tap into near-infinite resources of cosmic and mystical power. Later the also possessed the Power of the Runes.

Special Limitations: Due to Odin's enchantment, while in Earth's dimension, Thor would revert to his mortal form if separated from his hammer for over sixty seconds

Source of Superhuman Powers: Thor is a hybrid member of the race of superhumans known as Asgardians and his mother Gaea. As the Lord of Asgard, he gained the Odinpower and later the Power of the Runes.

Personal Weaponry: Mjolnir

Other Accessories: Enchanted belt of strength that doubles Thor's physical attributes when he wears it, but physically drains him after wearing it. A suit of Asgardian battle armor. A pair of gauntlets

Transportation: Interdimensional teleportation via Mjolnir, flight via Mjolnir, a chariot-like vehicle pulled by two large enchanted goats, Toothgnasher and Toothgrinder

Design and manufacture of paraphernalia: (Mjolnir) Brokk and Eitri, (battle armor) Thor

 

[Varient]

I always thought the lightning WAS magic, I must've missed an issue or two with Iron Man there. Thanks for the update.

And Mantis has put many a man "down" by wrapping her thighs around them. Thor is half mortal, after all.

Plug part two:

Mantis was trained to have total control over her body, and had almost superhuman reflexes, thus making her an outstanding martial artist. She could instinctively sense weak points in an opponent and knock out any opponent (even Thor). Her control over her body was so powerful, that if she was injured, she could quickly heal her injuries through sheer force of will. She also had psychic empathy, a telepathic power that allowed her to sense the emotions of others. This ability enabled her to communicate with the plant-like Cotati. To travel in space, Mantis astrally projected her consciousness from her body, allowing her to travel interplanetary distances. She would recreate a body for herself out of the destination planet’s local vegetation. Her fighting skills remained intact, and her empathic abilities were heightened to a superhuman degree and extended to the planet’s flora and biosphere. She could control the vegetation within her vicinity.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

That's not what I meant. But thanks for the info?

 

[Anubis]

She's Bald, Bi, and beautiful. With those attributes, you gotta sleep around a bit.

 

[Varient]

That's not what I meant. But thanks for the info?

I just put those out there as I went looking for two things,....


The Classic Mantis Legs around thor's neck shot
and the
Short where Iron man determines that Thor Calls down the lightning,... not making Magical lightning.

I may have to blow off the dust on my collection.

.
I pointedly ignored the "of course he's half mortal" comment because I immediately thought of the sexual dynamic and smirked at how Most Avengers women "shared" that super power.

Heck,... So do the X-women,..........

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I just put those out there as I went looking for two things,....


The Classic Mantis Legs around thor's neck shot
and the
Short where Iron man determines that Thor Calls down the lightning,... not making Magical lightning.

I may have to blow off the dust on my collection.

.
I pointedly ignored the "of course he's half mortal" comment because I immediately thought of the sexual dynamic and smirked at how Most Avengers women "shared" that super power.

Heck,... So do the X-women,..........

I was going to say how she slept around though, but then I remembered the Avengers and X-Women.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

She's Bald, Bi, and beautiful. With those attributes, you gotta sleep around a bit.

That's Moondragon. Either way, that doesn't mean you have to sleep around.

 

[Anubis]

Oh yeah, I always get those two mixed up.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Easy to do. They're really similar in some ways, especially physically. Aside from the bald head, of course.

 

[Varient]

Easy to do. They're really similar in some ways, especially physically. Aside from the bald head, of course.

Both the possible celestial madonna,....

cept one is a happy ****,.. and the other one needs to be,...

(Yes,.. that wasn't kind,.. but on the plus,.. I don't have a third of the issues with them that I had with Jade when she was still alive)

Moon dragon is written like she needs a ,... well,... like she needs exercise with specific tools designed to ,......

she needs some stress relief.


Mantis?

I really can't fault that one. She lived the life of a fantasy female in my teenaged years,... sexy woman in a grass-looking skirt and no drawls who can beat you as easily as sex you into submission,....

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Both the possible celestial madonna,....

cept one is a happy ****,.. and the other one needs to be,...

(Yes,.. that wasn't kind,.. but on the plus,.. I don't have a third of the issues with them that I had with Jade when she was still alive)

Moon dragon is written like she needs a ,... well,... like she needs exercise with specific tools designed to ,......

she needs some stress relief.


Mantis?

I really can't fault that one. She lived the life of a fantasy female in my teenaged years,... sexy woman in a grass-looking skirt and no drawls who can beat you as easily as sex you into submission,....

Well, Moondragon isn't as bad, and when she actually starts a relationship, she STAYS in a relationship. Unlike the holy mother of the space Jesus, who can't keep her skirt on despite who she's actually dating/married to.

 

[Tropico]

Man... i'd love to see Iron Fist vs Karate Kid.

That would be very cool indeed. I.F. would probably get some licks in as KK gauges his style and capabilities and then goes all out and beats I.F. He'd probably help Danny up after the "spar" and humbly ask if he could be taught the Iron Fist technique.

In regards to the Avenger vs. JL thing, it's funny how people start calling out the Marvel characters at the peak of their powers but pit them against the normal DC versions. How about putting Superman Prime in the mix instead of plain ol' Supes, or even his "Sun Dipped" version? Hourman with the Worlogog would be an incredibly effective asset and almost a no fail guarantee, even if the Avengers had "cuckoo for cocoa puffs" Wanda. Goddess of Truth WW? Dark Flash? Fernus? C'mon!!