JLA vs avengers

[Harlekin]

Which was?

I think he means when Hawkeye said: "Who are these Squadron Supreme wannabes?" or something in that general direction.

 

[Horrorfan]

You can't really say that. Up until now his powers have been pure specualtion. Not to mention, he hasn't fought any magicians or Psychics, so we don't really know how vulnerable he would be to them.

He's beat Hulk and Terrax with ease. Even superman, even though its not really canon, has a lot of trouble with Hulk when they meet up. Plus sentry is the only one who can take on the void with any sucess, and fought galactus to a standstill, and galactus took out superman (again not strictly cannon but Im going on what I know about both in similar situations).

 

[torkibe]

He's beat Hulk and Terrax with ease. Even superman, even though its not really canon, has a lot of trouble with Hulk when they meet up. Plus sentry is the only one who can take on the void with any sucess, and fought galactus to a standstill, and galactus took out superman (again not strictly cannon but Im going on what I know about both in similar situations).

The Void beat the Hulk. Sentry hasn't shown that ability. Not to mention, the Hulk turns into a baby when he's arround. His battle with the Void is an internal struggle, so you can't really call that a victory. The whole fighting Galactus to a standstill thing is still only speculation. Just because Spider-Man mentioned it, doesn't mean it happened. Plus, we don't even know how it was accomplished if it did happen. He could have had a weapon like the Ultimate Nullifier. Him and Reed were friends after all. He did own Terrax, but I think Superman or the Martian Manhunter would own Terrax just as easily.

 

[Horrorfan]

The Void beat the Hulk. Sentry hasn't shown that ability. Not to mention, the Hulk turns into a baby when he's arround. His battle with the Void is an internal struggle, so you can't really call that a victory. The whole fighting Galactus to a standstill thing is still only speculation. Just because Spider-Man mentioned it, doesn't mean it happened. Plus, we don't even know how it was accomplished if it did happen. He could have had a weapon like the Ultimate Nullifier. Him and Reed were friends after all. He did own Terrax, but I think Superman or the Martian Manhunter would own Terrax just as easily.

Sentry did beat hulk, or at least make him docile when he tried to fight sentry, which was taming him. And if sentry is a match for the void, I gotta think he could dismantle hulk just as easy if he wanted to.

I am gonna take a character saying it happened as ''it happened''. Why would he lie about it? And even wolverine said he hits like galactus.

From what we know of both, assuming the galactus stuff happened, sentry is more powerful. Like you say there could be x factors like the nullifier, but I didn't really take it as anything other than sentry fighting hand to hand.

And sentry did beat the void when they seperated into different entities. He threw him into the sun.

 

[torkibe]

Sentry did beat hulk, or at least make him docile when he tried to fight sentry, which was taming him. And if sentry is a match for the void, I gotta think he could dismantle hulk just as easy if he wanted to.

I am gonna take a character saying it happened as ''it happened''. Why would he lie about it? And even wolverine said he hits like galactus.

From what we know of both, assuming the galactus stuff happened, sentry is more powerful. Like you say there could be x factors like the nullifier, but I didn't really take it as anything other than sentry fighting hand to hand.

And sentry did beat the void when they seperated into different entities. He threw him into the sun.

Don't get me wrong, I think the Sentry could take the Hulk if they actually fought. But my point is, the effect he has on the Hulk probably wouldn't happen to anyone else.

i don't think Spidey is lying, but everything that happened during those years is foggy at best due to everyone's memory being erased. I just don't think we can use that as a feat to compare what he might do to other people. We just don't know enough about what happened.

True, he threw the Void into the Sun, but I think that may have been more symbolic than anything else. They allude to the fact that the Void is still within him. Not to mention, he wouldn't be able to do that to someone like Superman.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

In my opinion the JLA is just to powerful even for the New Avengers. But if they have Flash and Zattana on the team then the JLA would annihilate the Avengers.

 

[samurai black]

In my opinion the JLA is just to powerful even for the New Avengers. But if they have Flash and Zattana on the team then the JLA would annihilate the Avengers.

Flash and Zatana = Quicksilver and The Scarlet Witch. And based off of House of M, the more powerful duo would the be the pair who reshaped reality.

 

[ssj wolverine]

Outside of a long battle with Thor and maybe Sentry, Superman by himself would give the Avengers an ass whipping.

 

[Varient]

.............................
Thor has been Knocked out by a Sniper Round designed to get thru Vibranium.
Sentry is Superman Class only on Alternate Tuesdays.
Scarlet Witch is missing.
She Hulk got Ousted for being a drunken ****.
YellowJacket is out because he's a head case,
The wasp is on a leave of Absence.
The hulk is on Another planet.

Do you mean the best team of Avengers at their best?

 

[The_Mystery]

If Captain Marvel can knock Superman out with just his fists, then Thor should be able to cave Supes head in with Mjolnir. Captain America would, eventually, beat the holy hell out of Bats. IronMan would literally "light a fire" under J'onn's @$$. She-Hulk & Quicksilver could hold of Wonder Woman & Flash, respectively, long enough for the boys to back them up. Lastly, there is no way on God's green Earth that a woman who can REWRITE HISTORY (Scarlet Witch) can't defeat a pretty boy pilot with the most powerful weapon in the universe, but no imagination.

P.S. One more thing, Hawkeye definitely would take Green Arrow down a peg or two.

 

[Varient]

If Captain Marvel can knock Superman out with just his fists, then Thor should be able to cave Supes head in with Mjolnir. Captain America would, eventually, beat the holy hell out of Bats. IronMan would literally "light a fire" under J'onn's @$$. She-Hulk & Quicksilver could hold of Wonder Woman & Flash, respectively, long enough for the boys to back them up. Lastly, there is no way on God's green Earth that a woman who can REWRITE HISTORY (Scarlet Witch) can't defeat a pretty boy pilot with the most powerful weapon in the universe, but no imagination.

P.S. One more thing, Hawkeye definitely would take Green Arrow down a peg or two.

(Chuckle) How do you really feel?

 

[The_Mystery]

(Chuckle) How do you really feel?

Just a little tired of all this "the JLA is over-powered and the Avengers are under-powered talk." Doesn't make any particular sense to me.

 

[Varient]

Just a little tired of all this "the JLA is over-powered and the Avengers are under-powered talk." Doesn't make any particular sense to me.

Understand where it comes from:
The top seven in the JLA are archtypes.
The Avengers are SuperHeroes.

Once you understand the difference you can enjoy both.

An Archtype is usually an "ultimate" in regards to his/her abilities.

The Flash is fast enough to TIME TRAVEL,
Superman is literally a super humanoid with ALL his abilities maximized
Wonderwoman is the same for women
Batman is the Unaugmented peak human
Green Lantern weilds the most powerful tool in the DC universe
The Martian ManHunter is a world class Telepath with Superman level abilities,... PLUS.



Marvel is more popular for the flaws it puts on it's characters:
Quicksilver for the longest couldn't crack the sound barrier
Thor has been cut by terretrial objects/forces,... he has been stunned by folk who are no stronger than 200 ton.
She Hulk has been whooped by people barely in the 100 ton class
Captain America is a man out of time,.. displaced and playing catchup.
Ironman has an ego and some sort of physical damage to counter a sweet set of armor,
There is no telepath with the avengers.


The two companies run them differently,... The JLA "appears" to work at a larger scale - How really is Ironman going to beat a Lantern? these guys have STAR TRAVEL, and an auto save function for anything less than a BLACK HOLE.

The ONLY way the Avengers win is if they don't fight their opposites AND get first licks.
Green Arrow as he is NOW would whoop Hawkeye,.... The guy just got trained by the man who trained Deathstroke.

You want to beat green Arrow, have captain America do it.
You want to beat BatMan, have Black Panther do it.
You want to beat wonderwoman, Use Thor,..... u get the idea.

Because based on CANON and FEATS in their respective Universes, The JLA beats the Avengers.

Consider:
Whern the JLA built their watchtower on the moon,.... Look how EASY it was for them,
(Picture Green lantern, Superman, Martian manhunter arrived under their own power then prepared the spot and SMELTED the base metals from the moon.)


Which Avengers could do the same as easily?


No heat,... Avengers and JLA for me are Apples and Oranges.

 

[The_Mystery]

Understand where it comes from:
The top seven in the JLA are archtypes.
The Avengers are SuperHeroes.

Once you understand the difference you can enjoy both.

An Archtype is usually an "ultimate" in regards to his/her abilities.

The Flash is fast enough to TIME TRAVEL,
Can't fault you on that one, that is ridonkulous
Superman is literally a super humanoid with ALL his abilities maximized
...but he has a weakness for Magic and the Avengers just happen to have more than one specialist in that arena, one of them being their heavist hitter.
Wonderwoman is the same for women
Except she doesn't have all the powers that Supes has and she's been beaten down easier as well.
Batman is the Unaugmented peak human
Exactly, and he can be tire just like you and me...it would just take him longer.
Green Lantern weilds the most powerful tool in the DC universe
A "tool" is only as effective as it's weilder. Hal has no imagination, he just seems to use blunt force.
The Martian ManHunter is a world class Telepath with Superman level abilities,... PLUS.
J'onn to me, might be one of the most powerful, but a stray flame and even Quicksilver could take him out.



Marvel is more popular for the flaws it puts on it's characters:
Quicksilver for the longest couldn't crack the sound barrier
Pietro doesn't need to beat Flash, just hold him off enough to for someone to help him.
Thor has been cut by terretrial objects/forces,... he has been stunned by folk who are no stronger than 200 ton.
Thor is the GOD OF THUNDER, no matter if he isn't an archetype, his legend has been around alot longer than Supes
She Hulk has been whooped by people barely in the 100 ton class
She-Hulk has stood up to the entire Wreaking Crew
Captain America is a man out of time,.. displaced and playing catchup.
Captain America is a augmented peak human
Ironman has an ego and some sort of physical damage to counter a sweet set of armor,
Tony is also one of the smartest people in existence with a beyond 21st century suit of armor that has put the Hulk down. Oh yeah, and he's just been enhanced to one of the most powerful people on Earth.
There is no telepath with the avengers.


The two companies run them differently,... The JLA "appears" to work at a larger scale - How really is Ironman going to beat a Lantern? these guys have STAR TRAVEL, and an auto save function for anything less than a BLACK HOLE.


The ONLY way the Avengers win is if they don't fight their opposites AND get first licks.
Green Arrow as he is NOW would whoop Hawkeye,.... The guy just got trained by the man who trained Deathstroke.

You want to beat green Arrow, have captain America do it.
You want to beat BatMan, have Black Panther do it.
You want to beat wonderwoman, Use Thor,..... u get the idea.

Because based on CANON and FEATS in their respective Universes, The JLA beats the Avengers.

Consider:
Whern the JLA built their watchtower on the moon,.... Look how EASY it was for them,
(Picture Green lantern, Superman, Martian manhunter arrived under their own power then prepared the spot and SMELTED the base metals from the moon.) Fine, if I want a house built on the moon, I'll call the JLA, if I want a villain's @$$ beat, I'll call the Avengers. The JLA is like the UN to me, but the Avengers seem to be like the Marines.


Which Avengers could do the same as easily?


No heat,... Avengers and JLA for me are Apples and Oranges.

Just my opinion of course.

 

[Elijya]

There is no telepath with the avengers.

if you scan the entire team roster, they have Moondragon

 

[Varient]

Just my opinion of course.

(frown) That's the issue huh? MAGIC.

Some of you want to say that a magical hammer beats out someone who normally moves MUCH FASTER.

Still no heat,... Captain Marvel Tags Superman for the same reason supes tagged thor,... He normally moves at super speed,.. and has MAGIC.

Anyway,... I said this before the JLA/Avengers match up,.. That Marvel fans really believe that having magic means you beat supes while wearing a housecoat and bunny slippers.

Vulnerable to magic means just that,.. VULNERABLE,.. not wussed out,.. not losing any of his abilities in the presence of, not suddenly forgeting how to get out of the way of a mallet when you normally have the option to dodge bullets or pluck them out of the air.

Disclaimer: THOR IS A GREAT CHARACTER.

But if he's unaugmented thor version 1.0,... he's not gonna win any fight against Superman unless he gets first licks.

Now Thor 2.0, with Odin Power and Kung Fu Grip?
Would Whoop Superman no matter who started it because that Thor can survive a Nuke without parting his hair.


(Smile) Apples and Oranges.

Each universe has sumbody Nobody can beat,.. and we are argueing the middleweights.

 

[Varient]

if you scan the entire team roster, they have Moondragon

Very true,.. I forgot her,... Shes where in power you figure?

Between White Queen and Xaiver? Between Xaiver and Phoenix?

 

[torkibe]

(frown) That's the issue huh? MAGIC.

Anyway,... I said this before the JLA/Avengers match up,.. That Marvel fans really believe that having magic means you beat supes while wearing a housecoat and bunny slippers.

Vulnerable to magic means just that,.. VULNERABLE,.. not wussed out,.. not losing any of his abilities in the presence of, not suddenly forgeting how to get out of the way of a mallet when you normally have the option to dodge bullets or pluck them out of the air.

That's always been my biggest gripe too. People act as if someone says "abracadabra" and Superman keels over and dies. "Doctor Strange would own Superman because he just says a word and Supes is toast". Except he'd be unconcious before he finished the first syllable.

 

[Brainiac 8]

Also Martian Manhunter is said to be second in power only to Superman. But that fire weakness has got to hurt.

 

[US Agent]

I'm kinda torn on the issue torkibe and the other guy were talkin about as far as the Hulk Vs. Sentry, yeah Hulk did get beat by both Void and Sentry. I (even though aomeone said they don't) call them both victories for each character, and people call me a Hulk fanboy? SHHEESHH! I think that Sentry would be the wild card in the fight w/ the JLA though. It hasn't been shown (but he and iron man did fight that one guy in outter space that had like all the mutants powers or something I can't remember) I think he can beat superman though. And if I were writing this book T'Challa would fight batman and not cap. Cap's too nice and would make a mistake against batman and it would cost him. BP wouldn't make that mistake and I think would eventually win. IronMan would and could beat Jonn or Green Lantern. She Hulk (even though I think she is the sexiest of all the femme fatales) would lose to WW. Flash would and could spank the hell out of quicksilver and for the JLA he would be the wildcard. If Sentry comes to "play for blood" watch out! He's gonna smack some people around! and supes beating the whole NA is just a stupid thought really, I mean that's a fanboy's post. And for once Horrorfan and I actually agree! WOW!

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

The Void beat the Hulk. Sentry hasn't shown that ability. Not to mention, the Hulk turns into a baby when he's arround. His battle with the Void is an internal struggle, so you can't really call that a victory. The whole fighting Galactus to a standstill thing is still only speculation. Just because Spider-Man mentioned it, doesn't mean it happened. Plus, we don't even know how it was accomplished if it did happen. He could have had a weapon like the Ultimate Nullifier. Him and Reed were friends after all. He did own Terrax, but I think Superman or the Martian Manhunter would own Terrax just as easily.

Actually, yes, he has. When he decimated the Void physically, then threw him into the sun.

 

[Anubis]

Which was ultimately just a form of violent *********ion.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Don't get me wrong, I think the Sentry could take the Hulk if they actually fought. But my point is, the effect he has on the Hulk probably wouldn't happen to anyone else.

i don't think Spidey is lying, but everything that happened during those years is foggy at best due to everyone's memory being erased. I just don't think we can use that as a feat to compare what he might do to other people. We just don't know enough about what happened.

True, he threw the Void into the Sun, but I think that may have been more symbolic than anything else. They allude to the fact that the Void is still within him. Not to mention, he wouldn't be able to do that to someone like Superman.

I somehow doubt that Spidey's memory is so foggy that he kind of totally remembers Sentry fighting Galactus to a standstill in a comic about the world's most powerful superhuman who was capable of taking Hulk blows like they were nothing, and being the only person around capable of actually defeating a villan so astronomically powerful that they had to force Rob to stop being the Sentry to get rid of him.

And there is a good chance what the Sentry does would work on other people. His powers are actually psionic/temporal in nature, and has shown that he can literally affect minds other than his, or repair them, with little to no effort, as shown when he walked out of a room, and feeling guilt for his psychiatrist, "repaired" his daughter who suffered from a mental disorder.

That, and the Void, which is really a subset of Rob's power, has a tendency to bring out the worst in people when his inifinitendril interacts with its target, so might the Sentry's light bring out the best in others, the most obvious being the Hulk.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Also Martian Manhunter is said to be second in power only to Superman. But that fire weakness has got to hurt.

It's not that bad. It's not like any stray fire determines the fight for him.

 

[torkibe]

I somehow doubt that Spidey's memory is so foggy that he kind of totally remembers Sentry fighting Galactus to a standstill in a comic about the world's most powerful superhuman who was capable of taking Hulk blows like they were nothing, and being the only person around capable of actually defeating a villan so astronomically powerful that they had to force Rob to stop being the Sentry to get rid of him.

Seriously... Make up your freakin' mind! First you say it happened, then you flip flop and say there's no proof, and now you're back to saying it happened for sure. I'm done responding to you and your 217 IQ - 10th degree blackbelt ass. Please do not quote me or respond to any of my posts ever again. Seriously. Never again. Including this one.