JLA vs. The X-men

[Nokio]

If you're putting Jean Grey and Magneto on the team you're pretty much dooming the Justice League. Both of them are as powerful as many cosmic entities.

The X-Men fight as a team, if there are any individuals who will give them trouble it's Flash...as his power is somewhat unmatched it seems anywhere else.

When you speak of Cosmic entites you speak of characters like Galactus, The Celestials or The Living Tribunal. I'm a 100 percent sure that neither Jean Grey or Magneto is as powerful as them. Jean with the Phoenix force is so god awfully writen power wise and has been recton over and over that it's just to damn convoluted for the chracter to hold any real weight. The Living Tribunal is also the most powerful being in the Marvel Universe.

Magneto isn't a push over, but him against Superman is debatable. Jean having the Phoenix force shouldn't even be thrown in the mix, for christ sakes, magneto or whoever that was that was portraying magneto killed Jean when she had the Phoenix force or was the force.

 

[Nokio]

As Phoenix, Jean had telepathy,telekinesis, complete control of matter and energy including transmutation and matter energy conversion. She was also immortal and absolutely invulnerable unless she deliberately chose otherwise. All of her powers were at whatever power level she chose up to and including infinite. Phoenix alone could easily defeat the entire JLA since she simply cannot be affected by anything unless she chooses to be. Marvel telepaths have the ability to astrally projectand fight outside their bodies. The powerful ones can do even after the death of their bodies. Jean, even without the Phoenix force,and the Professor as well. Jean or the Professor could possibly take control of the power ring. Telekinetic and magnetic shields can stop speedsters.

Jean and the Prof can not take control of the ring, because it has teleapathic shielding and also the ring knows when it's weilder's brainwaves are affected by telepathy. Well that's at least what' i've read in some issues. I've never known a telepath to take control of a GL. I'm sure the Guardians though of that when creating the corps, who police the universe and come in contact with many different species.

Prof X can not beat the martian Manhunter. He is simply to powerful for chuck. Prof X primary power is telepathy, while the MM has multiple powers. He can take out Prof X easily. J'onn is powerful telepath, and as to who's stronger, I'd say Prof X based on what i've read on both characters, but MM is powerful enough to keep Prof X out of his mind long enough for him to take him down with his strength or speed, or TK, or Martian vision. MM is also an alien, so Prof X needs time to get a bead on his mind, cuase his brain waves are different. MM has been around humans for quite some time, so he knows the human mind, Prof X does not know the Martian mind. MM takes chuck down, so he's not a threat to the rest of the JLA. MM could also beat regular mutant Jean Grey and not that God like Phoenix crap that shouldn't even be a part of the equation.

 

[Nokio]

Jean Grey with the Phoenix force or as phoenix has never been shown to be insanly powerful. She was only shown to be very powerful, when she was Dark Phoenix. For God sakes that Magneto imposter killed her. The phoenix storyline was good when it was first introduced, but there has been to many rectons and history changes that is really is to d@mn convoluted. Just give us regular Mutant Jean grey, with her TK and telepathy and do away with all that Phoenix crap, especially if they ever decide to bring her back. If it's the xmen vs the JLA, jusr Mutant Jean grey and not the Phoenix, or otherwise let the JLA have the Spectre.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Hector Hammond has tapped into the power of Hal's ring without being detected and he has also mind controlled Hal. Despero has also controlled Green Lanterns.

A contest of minds between MM and Xavier would come down to a duel of power. Can MM stop a full power psi blast or not. The difference in minds between human and martian would be irrelevant. Xavier learned that in his first meeting with another telepath, Amahl Farouk. In any case the Professor has contacted minds much more alien than MM. Like the Brood, Demons, and the Z'nox.

Phoenix dived into a star which puts out incalculably more EM than any emp and was completely comfortable. There is no way an emp would do any damage. That is far worse than the Hulk getting taken out by a snake.

 

[Tropico]

**Grabs a machine gun and shoots the thread dead. Covers it in poison followed by hydrochloric acid. Cuts off its head and extremities and scatters them to the corners of the world. Has a young priest and an old priest bless what remains** More than a year dead and the darned zombie thread doesn't die!

 

[PemLam]

Didn't the Flash personally carry out half a million people from a city in less than a second? That level of speed being the case...the entire line up of the x-men would be pushing up daisies before anyone truly realized there was actually supposed to be a fight.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Round 1
Cyclops vs. Aquaman = Cyclops

???

Aquaman is resistant to energy and heat based attacks. How the heck would Cyke deal enough damage to beat him. It would take more than his powers to fight him, and when it comes down to fighting? Aquaman is way stronger.

In the end, I voted the JLA though. Just I saw someone put that and was like "...wait, what?".

 

[LibrarianThorne]

Like I said earlier, even if you take the teams at their most powerful, that gives the JLA both the Spectre and the Phantom Stranger. There's just no beating that.

If you knock it down to the most powerful versions of the classic lineup, you've still got at least two omnipotent beings (SoS Superman and Ion) on the side of the JLA to one on the X-Men (Phoenix).

Knock it down to classic lineups, and without the full power of the Phoenix Force, the X-Men stand even less of a chance. The JLA have 4 characters who are all orders of magnitude faster than Quicksilver. Even Aquaman has damaging telepathy and telekinetic powers which, while not on the order of Xavier or Jean Grey, could rather easily take down Storm or Cyclops or even Colossus, not to mention control of water, magic, and enough physical strength to lift a city block. Batman's obviously the weakest link on the JLA lineup, but given past performances he can still easily outpace the X-Men's close combat fighters with Wolverine being the only real problem. But in a team on team fight, what's the worry there when you've got the Flash...

 

[vms7591]

This fight was in an issue of Wizard Magazine where they were ranking the top superteams. They played out each scenario and how the fight would go down, wizard concluded that JLA would beat the X- men and quite easily i might add. The only team that can beat the JLA is The Authority because unlike JLA the authority kills! So wizard concluded that the Authority is the number 1 superteam because of this. And i found the ranking quite fair. If im not mistaken x men where fifth behind JLA, Authority, JSA, The Avengers etc. Keep in mind that issue came out maybe 4 years ago something alon the lines like that.

 

[OZONE]

Cyclops powers don't originate from an alternate dimension, they come from the sun... so the real way to inhibit his powers would be somehow deplete his cells of the solar energy then block out the sun...

or, as the JLA I believe have access to, slap a power inhibitor...

and the Flash rivals most, if not all the X-Men... i mean, he could essentially grab someone and put them in the Speed Force...

Batman might be able to take Nightcrawler... with a few moments in battle, I think he could tell where he would pop up next...

and OZONE, magneto and storm's powers don't have a galactic range...

also, the X-Men will never know that you can take away the sun and Superman's powerless, and by that time, Superman and the Flash take everyone... I mean, Colossus can't stand up against Superman (the Juggernaut could though, with Cytorrak)...

ok, and this is my thoughts on how Batman can beat Wolverine... basically, in Days of Future Past, a Sentinel kills Wolverine by disintegrating him... and in Kingdom Come, Batman has proven he can make mecha suits, so why don't combine the two? Batman could take out Wolverine the same way the Sentinels did...

LOL, Storm heals from planets and can augment her powers from planets, she can absorb solar electrical emissions from solar flares and has absorbed energy from the core of space itself, magneto has created his own home on an asteroid of which he moved in space.

Phoenix the entity is from space. And there are more than a trillion suns brighter and stronger than the sun in our universe...The XMEN ARE unstoppable. The flash is useless, lightning storms would attack him no matter how fast he goes, they move at the speed of light, duh, Flash running around in a hurricane lol, no way.batman, although neat, is powerless. He has nothing but gadgets and a suit. all of which protect his human body and therefore can be defeated.

Nightcrawler would mangle anyone who needs eyes to see and ears to hear, except anyone with AOE. Cyclops uses UV radiation, emitted by suns. YOur argument is forefit and has no basis, XMEN defiantely win.

 

[OZONE]

jean grey by herself could do damage. She is probably like second or slightly lower on the psychic powers range, which is why Phoenix chose her. Wolverine, is keen and supreme in tactics, supreme healing and senses, both in day and in blackness. His body is practically indestructable and claws forever bladed. His ability to understand animals and animal instincts make him quite able to take on even the toughest opponenet one on one.

 

[PemLam]

Figures that OZONE would come here with his Storm loving rhetoric and non-sense views of "science" and attempt to bastardize yet another thread. The same guy who tried to argue that Storm could take Thor.

 

[batnkevlar]

OK OZONE, I may be wrong, but when does Storm do all this? What would stop a sniper from connecting a bullet into her skull?

 

[batnkevlar]

What's to stop the Flash from vibrating people's brains outta their body, as he did in the Nail and other stories? The only person I can see who can take him out is Magneto, with his magnetic shielding, but then Superman and Martian Manhunter can take him...

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Jean Grey's telekinetic shielding could stop him as could Rachel. Jean or the Professor could simply mind lock the non telepaths so that when the fight started they simply stood and stared unaware. Hal would possibly be able to resist as well. Cyclops has hit speedsters before. High winds and fog would stop him and prevent him from seeing where he was going if they were already summoned. Magneto's magnetic bottle trick would take out Superman easily. The thoughts of the other JLAers would give the X-Men the knowledge to defeat MM if he somehow survived a mind battle with the Professor.

 

[batnkevlar]

Jean Grey's telekinetic shielding could stop him as could Rachel. Jean or the Professor could simply mind lock the non telepaths so that when the fight started they simply stood and stared unaware. Hal would possibly be able to resist as well.

If Flash runs faster than thought, then he can outrun a telepath... plus, they haven't fought someone as fast as the Flash...

Cyclops has hit speedsters before.

Still, not as fast as the Flash... Quicksilver is technically a fetus compared to Wally...

High winds and fog would stop him and prevent him from seeing where he was going if they were already summoned.

Storm can summon a fog and wind in at least .0001 seconds? Even that's pushing it, since Flash cleared out all Chongjin, North Korea, in that amount of time.

Magneto's magnetic bottle trick would take out Superman easily.

What's that?

The thoughts of the other JLAers would give the X-Men the knowledge to defeat MM if he somehow survived a mind battle with the Professor.

MM could do the same... I mean, the whole JL is linked up through MM anyways... but let's just say MM and Prof X are equals, he can still pop out his brain through his bald head...

 

[Silicon Surfer]

The magnetic bottle was a trick that he used against Phoenix. He shaped the Earth's magnetic field so that it sucked the psionic and life energy out of Phoenix. He could suck the solar energy out of Superman's cells the same way. This would leave Superman depowered. It might work on the psionic energies of MM as well come to think of it although that is quesionable. All of the X-Men get training in telepathic defense and are further protected in battle by the telepathic linkage created by their telepaths. The X-Men originated this tactic. Even if Jean does not have the Phoenix force in this battle she could create a simulation of it good enough to qualify as a weakness for MM. As for the Flash, the X-Men have fought Gladiator who is far faster than the Flash and at least a million times as strong on top of that.

 

[batnkevlar]

How is the Gladiator faster than the Flash?

and the X-Men shouldn't be able to beat the Imperial Guard... I mean, I remember reading that when I was little, and I was like: they outnumber them, they're supposed to be guarding royalty, and they're from many different planets...

oh, and when did the X-Men actually defeat Gladiator? That guy's Superman level...

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Gladiator can travel far faster than the speed of light. In the issue where he fought the FF, he came out of hyperspace at the edge of the solar system. Reed's machines measured him as traveling in toward Earth at 100x the speed of light. In their first battle with the Imperial Guard they are joined by the Starjammers and they take down the Guard including Gladiator. The method of defeat, however, is not shown.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Since when was Professor X all of a sudden a factor in this?

The first post clearly states who is in this "match":

Batman, Wonderwoman, Superman, Martian Manhunter, the Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkgirl, Green Arrow, and Aquaman as the JLA.

Versus

Cyclops, Wolverine, Rogue, Storm, Jean Grey (With the Phoenix), Colossus, Bishop, Gambit, and Magneto (he is an unactive member).

Why all of this talk about the Professor? And then here and there I heard talk about Nightcrawler and other characters as well. The members of each "team" were listed, so that's what is put into account.

 

[Aristotle]

Hector Hammond has tapped into the power of Hal's ring without being detected and he has also mind controlled Hal. Despero has also controlled Green Lanterns.

Modern GL rings have been established as having protection against such attack.

 

[Aristotle]

Didn't the Flash personally carry out half a million people from a city in less than a second? That level of speed being the case...the entire line up of the x-men would be pushing up daisies before anyone truly realized there was actually supposed to be a fight.

And I think that Superman fella's supposed to be pretty fast, too. Didn't he pretty solidly hold his own in several races with the Flash post-Crisis?

 

[Aristotle]

LOL, Storm heals from planets and can augment her powers from planets, she can absorb solar electrical emissions from solar flares and has absorbed energy from the core of space itself, magneto has created his own home on an asteroid of which he moved in space.

Phoenix the entity is from space. And there are more than a trillion suns brighter and stronger than the sun in our universe...The XMEN ARE unstoppable. The flash is useless, lightning storms would attack him no matter how fast he goes, they move at the speed of light, duh, Flash running around in a hurricane lol, no way.batman, although neat, is powerless. He has nothing but gadgets and a suit. all of which protect his human body and therefore can be defeated.

Nightcrawler would mangle anyone who needs eyes to see and ears to hear, except anyone with AOE. Cyclops uses UV radiation, emitted by suns. YOur argument is forefit and has no basis, XMEN defiantely win.

Flash, Supes, and MM take care of the X-Men before the fight even begins.

 

[Aristotle]

Jean Grey's telekinetic shielding could stop him as could Rachel. Jean or the Professor could simply mind lock the non telepaths so that when the fight started they simply stood and stared unaware.

Seems like I remember some telepathic fella that the JLA used to have, that often protected them from these types of things.

Cyclops has hit speedsters before.

I think it's been well established that Flash is a lot faster than Marvel U. speedsters.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Although Logan would kill Auqaman and Green Arrow in a heartbeat.

No...he wouldn't. Namor may be slightly physically stronger than Aquaman, but that is not by much. If Namor can toss Wolvie aside like a puppy, it shouldn't be much harder for Aquaman too.

I know Wolvie has those claws...but Aquaman isn't like Supes who fights with no skill what so ever. He is a strategist and skilled fighter, he doesn't blindly attack or counter or just throw his fists in the air hoping to hit his target. Plus, Aquaman would be faster to dodge and more agile. So Aquaman's strength, intelligence in tactics and dodging, and if need be his telepathy would be able to take down Wolvie.