JLA vs. The X-men

[Czar Colossus]

You haven't read many X comics then.

It's always been cannon that Wolverine could cut colossus

Actually I've been reading the X-men since before G.S. #1 and Wolverine has never cut Colossus; it's still up for speculation. In the early days there have been scuffles when he's had temper tantrums and Colossus would step up and defend against Wolverines rages. Waay back in Uncanny #115 Wolverine is slashing Colossus across the chest and there were sparks, but no cuts. In Uncanny #124 when Colossus was brainwashed he slapped Wolverine around like a rag doll. I also remember in Uncanny #111 Wolverine went up against a Colossus wannabe named Warhawk (who is not even in the same class as Colossus) and he couldn't cut him. As a matter of fact he said that this guy has skin like Colossus my claws just bounce off of him (or something to that effect). More recently in Ultimate that Colossus goaded Wolverine into attacking him (it was a way of dealing with grief over Hank' death) and Wolverine slashed him and got nothing but sparks. So yeah, I've read quite a few X-men comics.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

As I say, it's a matter of force not of the metal itself. For example, Riptide managed to embed many of his "ninja stars" into Colossus during "Mutant Massacre", yet I don't think they are made of adamantium. The fact is though, if you can generate enough force, you can lodge objects of even low density into fairly solid objects. Case in point, during Hurricanes 2 by 4s have been found lodged through trunks of trees. So essentially Colossus and Superman are just more "tough" than Wolverine is...but the metal they possess (or skin) may or may not be stronger by itself.

 

[CaptainClown]

What if Colossus swung wolverine towards Superman (if superman stood still)

 

[Silicon Surfer]

IIRC the shuriken that Riptide threw were made from a substance that was generated by his body. Tornados have been known to bury pieces of straw in trees.

 

[Czar Colossus]

And Colossus has become vastly more resilient since. Riptide was resurrected by Mr. Sinister after Colossus killed him and he tried that stunt again, but it did not work. (Sorry I can't remember the issue # though.)

 

[ShadowBoxing]

What if Colossus swung wolverine towards Superman (if superman stood still)

Well as we said...If Superman threw himself at superspeed at Wolverine's claws he'd impale himself...probably also break Wolverine pretty bad in the process.

 

[MagicPrime]

The only time I've seen Wolverine slash through Colossus's metal skin was in the Danger Room scenario early early early in Ultimate X-Men. Wasn't a big fan of the early Ultimate X-Men.

 

[Czar Colossus]

I can honestly say I don't remember that.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes, but like anything else, it would require a force strong enough to penetrate his skin. Even if you hold a sharp object up to your skin with no pressure, it can't hurt you. Wolverine lacks the strength necessary to make his claws effective.

Probably not, but who knows...Hulk has cracked it before.

Superman could definitely bend or break adamantium. Thor and the Hulk both have.

 

[CaptainClown]

Only time Wolverine I believe could take Superman is Zombie Cosmic power wolverine.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

As I say, it's a matter of force not of the metal itself. For example, Riptide managed to embed many of his "ninja stars" into Colossus during "Mutant Massacre", yet I don't think they are made of adamantium. The fact is though, if you can generate enough force, you can lodge objects of even low density into fairly solid objects. Case in point, during Hurricanes 2 by 4s have been found lodged through trunks of trees. So essentially Colossus and Superman are just more "tough" than Wolverine is...but the metal they possess (or skin) may or may not be stronger by itself.

Yes, it's more about force and therefore speed than strength. Case in point: Professor Zoom has cut through pipes with his hand and turned gravel into deadly projectiles.

 

[Whirlysplat]

Well as we said...If Superman threw himself at superspeed at Wolverine's claws he'd impale himself...probably also break Wolverine pretty bad in the process.

No he wouldn't. Superman uses a bio aura forcefield.

Superman could definitely bend or break adamantium. Thor and the Hulk both have.

Wonderman dented Ultron who at the time was made of Adamantium. In the crossover with the FF, Reed stated Supes was more resilient than Adamantium. As he stood up to lasers capable of cutting it.

 

[Tropico]

IIRC the shuriken that Riptide threw were made from a substance that was generated by his body. Tornados have been known to bury pieces of straw in trees.

That was the faulty clone they found in one of Mr. Sinister's lab. The real one in Mutant Massacre used throwing objects NOT generated by his body.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

No he wouldn't. Superman uses a bio aura forcefield.

Must be a pretty convienent forcefield then, because he's been damaged before.

Wonderman dented Ultron who at the time was made of Adamantium.

Ultron resistence to harm is known to be fairly inconsistent as far as adamantium goes. It was presented as a great feat when Hulk merely cracked the Adamantium statue in Hulk 300.

 

[MagicPrime]

I thought the "Bio Aura" forcefield was just a residual effect of his invulnerability that allowed his skin-tight costume to be a little more resilient than normal cloth.

???

 

[CBG]

I thought the "Bio Aura" forcefield was just a residual effect of his invulnerability that allowed his skin-tight costume to be a little more resilient than normal cloth.

???

Well, if you see going through suns "a little resilient". . .

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, everything like the bio aura and the tactile telekinetic field that kept big things from falling apart when Superman lifted them needs to be taken with a grain of salt now. After Infinite Crisis, Superman's powers might very well work completely differently.

 

[Kitsune]

Okay I voted for JLA. Not a 100%, X-men could win, but the JLA has all of DCs ridiculously over powered characters It's a bit like sending Ryu up against Goku.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Except that the X-Men have a bunch more telepaths than the JLA do, and the JLA really has no defense against telepathy outside of J'onn. Aquaman would get crushed by any of the X-Men's telepaths, since his human telepathy is pretty weak.

 

[The Question]

Except that the X-Men have a bunch more telepaths than the JLA do, and the JLA really has no defense against telepathy outside of J'onn. Aquaman would get crushed by any of the X-Men's telepaths, since his human telepathy is pretty weak.

I don't know about that. He's been shown to telepathically get the upper hand against Martians before, at least for brief periods, including getting past J'onn's mental defenses without his noticing. While Xavier would kick his ass, he might stand a chance against someone of the others.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

He manipulated some random, vestigial aquatic part of the white Martian's brain to induce seizures. It wasn't really his telepathy at work. In fact, as cool as that scene was when I read it, I don't know what the **** he used to do it. Sneaking past J'onn's mental defenses I attributed more to the trust J'onn has for all of his teammates. Why guard his mind against his friends when they can't do the same against him? It's a mutual respect thing that they expect him not to pry into their thoughts and he expects them not to pry into his. He even says to Aquaman that it's basically bad telepath etiquette in the issue.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

With Rogue having Sunfire powers now, isn't Martian Manhunter kind of f**ked.

 

[The Question]

With Rogue having Sunfire powers now, isn't Martian Manhunter kind of f**ked.

After the whole Fernus thing, I think ge gained a certain level of resistance to fire. He's now invulnerable to fires, unless they're "flames of passion." As in, fires started by someone for some signifigant reason, like an arsonist. It's a psychic thing.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but no one pays attention to that ****. I appreciate what Kelly tried to do there, but he made it too goddamn confusing so later writers have basically ignored it.

With Rogue having Sunfire powers now, isn't Martian Manhunter kind of f**ked.

Aren't Rogue's powers all ******ed now?

 

[Whirlysplat]

Well, everything like the bio aura and the tactile telekinetic field that kept big things from falling apart when Superman lifted them needs to be taken with a grain of salt now. After Infinite Crisis, Superman's powers might very well work completely differently.

True enough. Torquasm Vo must return!!!!!