JLA vs. The X-men

[TheCorpulent1]

I think that joke has a one-time-only shelf-life. You hear it once and it's hilarious, but you hear it again or see other people using it and it's just tedious and obnoxious.

 

[The Question]

I think that joke has a one-time-only shelf-life. You hear it once and it's hilarious, but you hear it again or see other people using it and it's just tedious and obnoxious.

You speak ill of Abbot and Costello?

 

[Nokio]

A contest of minds between MM and Xavier would come down to a duel of power. Can MM stop a full power psi blast or not. The difference in minds between human and martian would be irrelevant. Xavier learned that in his first meeting with another telepath, Amahl Farouk. In any case the Professor has contacted minds much more alien than MM. Like the Brood, Demons, and the Z'nox.

Onslaught, who powers were stronger then Prof X fought the F4 andsome other heroes at the Baxter building. He easily took down Johnny Storm with telepathy, but stated that Lyja the Skrull alien brainwaves made it difficult for him to dominate her mind so he took her out with another power. Prof X is a talented telepath, but MM is one as well and J'onn has been alive a lot longer then chuck. It has been stated that Prof X can not manipulate any mind he comes across easily, and he does have difficulty with alien species he's never been in contact with before. I'm saying that while chuck may be more powerful then j'onn, the MM is close enough in power to hold Prof X off from controlling his mind while he lauches an attack with another one of his powers, like speed, strength, tk, martian vision, shapeshifing, or intangiability. Take your pick. I'm not saying that Prof X can't win in a battle of the minds with j'onn, cuase i think he can, but he needs some time to to adjust for J'onn's alien mind and time is one thing he won't have the luxary of dealing with a guy who has near superman strength and is faster then quicksilver.

Besides what is with all this telepathic battles and what not. Batman would simply have Plastic man deal with prof X. I forgot why, but he's immune to telapahty.

 

[Nokio]

And that is why I call him Quick "Nowhere Near as Fast as the Flash" Silver


Without the Avengers the Marvel Universe would cower before the DCU. Remember when Krona virtually raped Galactus and built a fortress out of his BODY?!

If i remember correctly, Galactus at the end when he easily reformed had choose not to battle him.

 

[Nokio]

Ion, maybe, but I don't think the GL's have enough willpower to block out that kind of power.

If Kyle, before he was Ion was able to contain that living sun known as Solaris when he went Nova, i'm sure Kyle could hold off the wave.

 

[Nokio]

Superman alone could kill the X-Men.

Superboy Prime alone would tear through the Xmen. Man that kid is vicious.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Onslaught, who powers were stronger then Prof X fought the F4 andsome other heroes at the Baxter building. He easily took down Johnny Storm with telepathy, but stated that Lyja the Skrull alien brainwaves made it difficult for him to dominate her mind so he took her out with another power. Prof X is a talented telepath, but MM is one as well and J'onn has been alive a lot longer then chuck. It has been stated that Prof X can not manipulate any mind he comes across easily, and he does have difficulty with alien species he's never been in contact with before. I'm saying that while chuck may be more powerful then j'onn, the MM is close enough in power to hold Prof X off from controlling his mind while he lauches an attack with another one of his powers, like speed, strength, tk, martian vision, shapeshifing, or intangiability. Take your pick. I'm not saying that Prof X can't win in a battle of the minds with j'onn, cuase i think he can, but he needs some time to to adjust for J'onn's alien mind and time is one thing he won't have the luxary of dealing with a guy who has near superman strength and is faster then quicksilver.

Besides what is with all this telepathic battles and what not. Batman would simply have Plastic man deal with prof X. I forgot why, but he's immune to telapahty.

You are mistaking mind control for mental attack. They are not even remotely the same. Mental attack is a simple destructive blast of pure mental energy that works on every type of mind equally whether alien or human. The only thing that makes a difference is psi power. The Professor probably could not control MM but he could blast him to death in an instant.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Onslaught, who powers were stronger then Prof X fought the F4 andsome other heroes at the Baxter building. He easily took down Johnny Storm with telepathy, but stated that Lyja the Skrull alien brainwaves made it difficult for him to dominate her mind so he took her out with another power. Prof X is a talented telepath, but MM is one as well and J'onn has been alive a lot longer then chuck. It has been stated that Prof X can not manipulate any mind he comes across easily, and he does have difficulty with alien species he's never been in contact with before. I'm saying that while chuck may be more powerful then j'onn, the MM is close enough in power to hold Prof X off from controlling his mind while he lauches an attack with another one of his powers, like speed, strength, tk, martian vision, shapeshifing, or intangiability. Take your pick. I'm not saying that Prof X can't win in a battle of the minds with j'onn, cuase i think he can, but he needs some time to to adjust for J'onn's alien mind and time is one thing he won't have the luxary of dealing with a guy who has near superman strength and is faster then quicksilver.

Besides what is with all this telepathic battles and what not. Batman would simply have Plastic man deal with prof X. I forgot why, but he's immune to telapahty.

I think Prof X's powers have been written pretty erratic over the years. It doesn't make sense that he would have trouble controlling alien minds while at the same time he defeated Phoenix, a being powerful enough to eat a sun, on the astral plane.

Also, does the JLA have anyone that could match up to Phoenix? How would they fight her?

 

[The Leaguer]

The original Ion would probably just kind of think her out of existence or something.

 

[Infinity9999x]

The original Ion would probably just kind of think her out of existence or something.

Was the original Ion that powerful? I mean, we're not talking your average superhero here. Phoenix is on the cosmic level just like ion is.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Phoenix would probably suck the energy out of Ion and eat it for lunch.

 

[goldmill]

I really doubt that. Ion was basically god-like.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

So is Phoenix.

 

[CaptainClown]

So we can safely say they would be preoccupied with each other while the rest of the teams fight it out?

 

[Damiean Dark]

Truth.

Seriously consider that the only "DC class characters on the Xmen's team are Rouge ala Extreme Xmen, and "eat stars" version of Jean Gray.
The rest could be taken by Superman or Green lantern or The martian Manhunter by themselves.

IMHO Marvel's heroes follow more closely most of the basic laws of physics as we understand them,...
DC tends to go the "just So" approach to superheroes.

As such a light based creature in DC universe can clean superman's clock becuase all the properties of light are given to the creature with a very high level of power and ease of manipulation,
Where say "Photon" would be lucky to singe his cape becuase Marvel ties in stuff like fatigue and limiting her powers by her own bodymass.

I hope that made sense.
Peace.
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Of all the posts here this is the one that makes the most sense DC characters are designed on the whole to be more godlike and Marvels characters are more grounded in reality.

 

[trustyside-kick]

^Uh, Marvel has plenty, if not more, cosmic all powerful beings.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Truth.

Seriously consider that the only "DC class characters on the Xmen's team are Rouge ala Extreme Xmen, and "eat stars" version of Jean Gray.
The rest could be taken by Superman or Green lantern or The martian Manhunter by themselves.

IMHO Marvel's heroes follow more closely most of the basic laws of physics as we understand them,...
DC tends to go the "just So" approach to superheroes.

As such a light based creature in DC universe can clean superman's clock becuase all the properties of light are given to the creature with a very high level of power and ease of manipulation,
Where say "Photon" would be lucky to singe his cape becuase Marvel ties in stuff like fatigue and limiting her powers by her own bodymass.

I hope that made sense.
Peace.
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Of all the posts here this is the one that makes the most sense DC characters are designed on the whole to be more godlike and Marvels characters are more grounded in reality.

Nope....nice try though. Marvel has a TON of uber powerful cosmics...and nothing about their powers are grounded any more in reality than DC.

The only major difference is Marvel characters mostly all started out as character pieces and soap operas...whereas DC started slightly before that became en vogue, therefore their characters feel a little more iconic.

 

[Nokio]

I think Prof X's powers have been written pretty erratic over the years. It doesn't make sense that he would have trouble controlling alien minds while at the same time he defeated Phoenix, a being powerful enough to eat a sun, on the astral plane.

Also, does the JLA have anyone that could match up to Phoenix? How would they fight her?

Well as i recall he was only able to defeat Phoenix becuase of Jean's reluctense(I'm sure it's spelled wrong) on some level to destroy all of her friends.

It's also has been said that chuck can not control every mind he comes in contact with and it's been said that alien minds and the minds of the dead poses problems for Prof X.

Sense Phoenix and Magneto is being thrown into the mix I second giving the JLA The Spectre and The Phantom Stranger. I'm a 100 percent certain that the Phoenix isn't going to cut the Spectre down as easily as she would mortal heroes, and i'm talking fully powered Dark Phoenix and not Jean Grey with some control over the force. Jean has never been shown to be as powerful as Dark Phoenix when she is in control and on the right side. The Phantom Stranger is uber powerful, although he doesn't intervene. He to would be a problem for Phoenix and Magneto, well actually magneto wouldn't be a problem at all for those two. Only Phoenix will give them some degree of trouble.

 

[Nokio]

You are mistaking mind control for mental attack. They are not even remotely the same. Mental attack is a simple destructive blast of pure mental energy that works on every type of mind equally whether alien or human. The only thing that makes a difference is psi power. The Professor probably could not control MM but he could blast him to death in an instant.

Ok i see your point, but what i'm saying is even with that being the case the MM is not a push over and i'm sure he has Mental defenses to protect his mind. Chuck isn't just going to plow down MM's metal defenses like a Beer truck running into a glass shop. I've said before that in a battle of minds alone that Xavier would win, but MM has various powers and his telepathy is strong enough to keep Prof X out of his mind as well as block a psi blast long enough to take Chuck down with one of his other powers. Chuck in fact used a full psi blast during the Xmen first encounter with Exodus. While he hurt Exodus, Exodus did say that had he not been prepared it would been more lethal or something like that, but he went to say that he was expecting it and was stunned for a brief time. I'm also positive that Chuck is going to try to control the heroes as opposed to try and flat out kill them. If he can stop them mentally by taking control of their minds, that is what he's gonna do first instead of a massive brawl between the two teams.


You just asuume that Chuck is going to easily defeat the MM. It has never been established the extent of J'onn's telepathy due to the fact i think cause MM has multiple ablities so the writers try and touch on all of them. Prof X only has one real power and it's his telepathy. The writers have to be creative with a guy who can read and control minds, so they show him using his telepathy in many creative ways. Now Based on what i've seen i'd say MM is up in the league with Marvel's best, like Prof X, regular mutant Jean Grey(not the ridiculas god like phoenix), Cable, The Shadow King, the Games Master and Cassandra Nova. He's not on the lower Emma Frost's, Psylocke or Rachel Summers level.

J'onn has done some impressive things with his telepathy. He just recently scanned the minds of everyone on earth in that war with Black Adam, something Xavier has been shown to do with the use of Cerebro and i'm not saying he hasn't, i've just nevr seen him do it. J'onn also was the one who blocked all of the white Martians memories and personalities, and reprogrammed them to believe they were human and gave them human personalities and placed them in the human working class society with no knowledge of who they truly were, now mind you they are telepaths as well. I'd say doing something that complex is pretty d@mn high on the list in terms of mental strength. I don't recall ever seeing Xavier pull something off on that level, especially considering that the White martians as i've said are telepaths as well. Thinking about it more, Xavier may not be able to defeat J'onn or at least they are pretty well matched.

 

[Damiean Dark]

Marvels C.H.A.R.A.C.T.E.R.S are more grounded in reality IMO they have personalitys and they are not one trick gimmick characters like Flash (we get it he can run fast) why do you think Batman is DC greatest asset? because people can relate to him far more then superman or Aquaman characters who havent changed much since there conception. Marvel characters also have far more interesting powers Characters like rouge are a masterstroke in design she can absorb the powers of others but prolonged contact can kill the victim this creaes the situation where she can never really get close to people she isnt a god like amazon with no real weaknesess like WW. new marvel characters like Darwin whos body evolves to combat each situation (underwater he grows gills,if he has absolutely no chance of victory in a battle his body simply teleports him elsewhere) and the late Maggot (no stomach instead two giant slugs who eat matter and burrow back into the stomach cavity to release the food into his body) are also great far better then DC IMO.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

Marvels C.H.A.R.A.C.T.E.R.S are more grounded in reality IMO they have personalitys and they are not one trick gimmick characters like Flash (we get it he can run fast) why do you think Batman is DC greatest asset? because people can relate to him far more then superman or Aquaman characters who havent changed much since there conception. Marvel characters also have far more interesting powers Characters like rouge are a masterstroke in design she can absorb the powers of others but prolonged contact can kill the victim this creaes the situation where she can never really get close to people she isnt a god like amazon with no real weaknesess like WW. new marvel characters like Darwin whos body evolves to combat each situation (underwater he grows gills,if he has absolutely no chance of victory in a battle his body simply teleports him elsewhere) and the late Maggot (no stomach instead two giant slugs who eat matter and burrow back into the stomach cavity to release the food into his body) are also great far better then DC IMO.

It would probably help if you actually read some DC titles before bashing them because clearly you lack knowledge.


Seriously. Lacking.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Jesus, why do these vs. threads always break down into "DC's characters are unrealistic and stupid" arguments?

 

[trustyside-kick]

And aside from that, why must every character relate to you or someone? Marvel has plenty that do not relate either. Yet, just because their more "grounded" heroes are the more popular ones, people think DC has none like that.

 

[LexCorp]

Jesus, why do these vs. threads always break down into "DC's characters are unrealistic and stupid" arguments?

You said that...tha's a dumb thing to say

 

[The Leaguer]

Marvels C.H.A.R.A.C.T.E.R.S are more grounded in reality IMO they have personalitys and they are not one trick gimmick characters like Flash (we get it he can run fast) why do you think Batman is DC greatest asset? because people can relate to him far more then superman or Aquaman characters who havent changed much since there conception. Marvel characters also have far more interesting powers Characters like rouge are a masterstroke in design she can absorb the powers of others but prolonged contact can kill the victim this creaes the situation where she can never really get close to people she isnt a god like amazon with no real weaknesess like WW. new marvel characters like Darwin whos body evolves to combat each situation (underwater he grows gills,if he has absolutely no chance of victory in a battle his body simply teleports him elsewhere) and the late Maggot (no stomach instead two giant slugs who eat matter and burrow back into the stomach cavity to release the food into his body) are also great far better then DC IMO.

Failure.