JLA vs. The X-men

[Ultra-Herald9]

Exactly.

Didn't the Flash(Barry Allen) die when taking the Anti-Monitor on?

Speaking of the Flash, which Flash are we talking about?

It was Wally. It happened during a story arc where Wally accidentally messed up the time stream causing Barry to die before he could scrafice himself. The last of the earths was destroyed and only the Antimatter universe remained and Flash had to fight him and his armies alone.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I like Wally =) but Barry Allen is suppose to be the most powerful flash, I think..

Wrong. Wally's the most powerful of the main DC universe's Flashes.

 

[goldmill]

...and Walter West is even more powerful. Too bad they haven't found a way to bring him back for a story arc. THAT would be awesome.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it really would. Walter's my favorite Flash.

 

[MagicPrime]

Wrong. Wally's the most powerful of the main DC universe's Flashes.

Wasn't it stated somewhere that each generation of Speedster will surpass the former?

Pardon my ignorance on Flash-facts. But is "Walter" a Wally from an Alternate Timeline?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes, Walter is an alternate Wally.

It may have been stated that each generation will surpass the previous one, and Bart did indeed have stuff he could do that Wally couldn't, most notably remembering what he speed-reads and creating temporal clones (which he stopped doing). Wally's always had the strongest connection to the Speed Force, however--he's described it as a "mainline"--which allows him to use it in more versatile and potent ways than most other speedsters. Savitar and Walter beat him out for versatility, but they're both gone now.

Oh, and the future Bart from the Titans of Tomorrow was actually more attuned to the Speed Force, since he'd learned to go in and come back out much easier than Wally could. But that Bart should've been erased from reality. He's back now, though, so we'll see.

 

[Nokio]

First off Phoenix lost because she didn't even know how to use her own powers at the time.

Well i just don't understand if Jean has been Phoenix all along then why wouldn't she know how to use her powers? This is the woman after all who was supposed to be here at the beginning of the universe. This is the woman who was supposed to have allowed Galactus into our the current universe right before his died, well now that marvel has recton Galactus's orgin to involve Jean/Phoenix, and yet she didn't know how to use her power to take magneto down???????

 

[Nokio]

What do you mean by more powerful? The only beings I know of that are immune to the effects of reality warpers such are Cosmic Necessities and Omega level mutants

How would someone like iceman be immune to the effects of a reality Warper? I'm just curious what kind of powers do they have that keeps them immune from reality itself? Some one like Glactus, Eternity or The Living Tribunal I can see being immune to the effects, but mutants like magneto, Storm, Vulcan, or iceman?

 

[CaptainClown]

Wrong. Wally's the most powerful of the main DC universe's Flashes.

oh gotcha,

 

[goldmill]

Wasn't it stated somewhere that each generation of Speedster will surpass the former?

Hmmm, but wouldn't that put John Fox as being more powerful than Wally as well since he's from the future? Last time I checked, Wally had him beat. Of course I could be wrong.

 

[fifthfiend]

Hmmm, but wouldn't that put John Fox as being more powerful than Wally as well since he's from the future? Last time I checked, Wally had him beat. Of course I could be wrong.

Maybe it just meant "each generation of speedster who wasn't a scuzzy *****e who hits on married women".

 

[Vanguard07]

hey there's nothing wrong with hitting on married women. They're the ones that tend to need the good lovin' most anyway.

 

[fifthfiend]

hey there's nothing wrong with hitting on married women. They're the ones that tend to need the good lovin' most anyway.

Well apparently the Speed Force thinks otherwise.

'Sides he was hitting on the wife of another speedster, that's like trying to **** your sister-in-law.

 

[larryfilmmaker]

Wow, this is would be one hell of a Brawl. Here's the best I could match them up.

Round 1
Cyclops vs. Aquaman = Cyclops
Wolverine vs. Batman = Batman
Rogue vs. Wonder Woman = Rogue
Storm vs. Hawkgirl = Storm
Jean Grey (Phoenix) vs. Martian Manhunter = Jean Grey
Colossus vs. Superman = Superman
Bishop vs. The Flash = The Flash
Gambit vs. Green Arrow = Gambit
Magneto vs. Green Lantern = Green Lantern

Round 2
Cyclops vs. Batman = Batman
Rogue vs. The Flash = The Flash
Storm/Gambit vs. Superman = Superman
Jean Grey vs. Green Lantern = Jean Grey

Round 3
Batman/The Flash/Superman vs. Jean Grey = JLA

Sorry I didn't give any good explanations, i'm tired and don't feel like typing out Paragraphs.

the JLA would school X-Men and I like X-Men better (usually). It's like Gods vs. Mutants. There's really no physical challenge at all. Superman could beat the X-Men alone. ... and how the hell could Batman defeat Cyclops?!?!? I love Batman but that's just nuts. Cyke is no moron... he's arguably the best leader in comic book history and an awesome tactician.

 

[larryfilmmaker]

How about Shocking Wolverine?

funny how we have to think up ways for Batman to beat Wolverine but it's relatively simple how Wolverine would beat Batman. snikt

 

[larryfilmmaker]

1. Magneto is Taylor Made to kick Supes @#$ He would drain him like this..........

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2.Green Lantern??? No, Maggs would do worse than what Dr. Polaris did to him. Maggs would turn his ring against him but worse.

3. Flash? How is he going ot touch Maggs with his shields?? Vision couldn't even phase through them!

4. Martian Manhunter? What...he is going to try and mind rape Maggs? Nope, Maggs has resisted Xavier's mind blast with sheer will power. I doubt MM could phase through his shields if Flash and vision can't. Magss would Tagg blast MM.

5. Wonder Woman? No She would get hurt by projectiles.

6. Batman? Non-factor.

7. Who Aqua-man, Hawk Girl?? LOL they have metal objects they lose.

Maggs wins.

Magneto beating Superman? What is happening to these forums...

 

[KAD]

There is one piece of evidence that as far as I know is cannon and one helluva read- Teen Titans Xmen

In that issue Darkseid Resurects the Pheonix who goes on to threaten all existence as part of Drkseid's plan.

In the end all we're helpless except for the TT and Xmen, who fought to save everything.

In the end the pheonix possed Cyclops which restored her memory at which point PHNX turned on Darkseid and totaly destroyed him by sending him instantly to the source wall.

Also another item that ways in on the debate is Deathstroke can't lay a hand on Wolverine in a fair fight

And since we saw Deathstroke did to most of the Jla including Flash Hawkman and a GL to name a few I'd say the odds of The Flash getting taken out are pretty good.

Beyond that Pheonix can bend reality. Basically she has control over all time and space so speed is irrelevent.

 

[trustyside-kick]

7. Who Aqua-man, Hawk Girl?? LOL they have metal objects they lose.

Not saying Aquaman would easily defeat Magneto or not (that isn't the point of my post/comment)...but where the heck do you get him having metal so he loses? He hasn't had the hook/metallic hand since the 90's.

Do you know anything about the DCU for the past few years? Hope you aren't stuck back in the 90's.

 

[fifthfiend]

Also another item that ways in on the debate is Deathstroke can't lay a hand on Wolverine in a fair fight

Epic lulz.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Also another item that ways in on the debate is Deathstroke can't lay a hand on Wolverine in a fair fight

And since we saw Deathstroke did to most of the Jla including Flash Hawkman and a GL to name a few I'd say the odds of The Flash getting taken out are pretty good.

So? Deathstroke's mind functions 90% faster than that of the average human. That and the fact that he planned his attack are factors. Not like the same would happen in this fight for Flash, Hawkman, and GL.

Unless Cyclops knew the fight would occur ahead of time and was aware of the weaknesses or ways to draw them out of the fight, I don't see him and his X-Men doing anything close to what Deathstroke did to put certian people out of the fight at certain parts/times.

Not saying X-Men do not have a chance, but I don't see Wally and the others being faced with the same kind of tactics; nor being fooled by them twice. Deathstroke's wits, reflexes, and planning is what helped him. And let's not forget the members that were absent from the "Deathstroke pwnage".

 

[shapeshifter]

funny how we have to think up ways for Batman to beat Wolverine but it's relatively simple how Wolverine would beat Batman. snikt

right because batman is so slow and uncoordinated that fuzzball would be able to do that.

 

[CaptainClown]

Batman probably wouldn't fight he is so anti social.. He would just growl at Wolverine and wolverine would growl back. Then they would stare at each other for a little bit and go get a beer.

 

[goldmill]

Maybe it just meant "each generation of speedster who wasn't a scuzzy *****e who hits on married women".

LOL. That's kinda what I was thinking too.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

There is one piece of evidence that as far as I know is cannon and one helluva read- Teen Titans Xmen

In that issue Darkseid Resurects the Pheonix who goes on to threaten all existence as part of Drkseid's plan.

In the end all we're helpless except for the TT and Xmen, who fought to save everything.

In the end the pheonix possed Cyclops which restored her memory at which point PHNX turned on Darkseid and totaly destroyed him by sending him instantly to the source wall.

Also another item that ways in on the debate is Deathstroke can't lay a hand on Wolverine in a fair fight

And since we saw Deathstroke did to most of the Jla including Flash Hawkman and a GL to name a few I'd say the odds of The Flash getting taken out are pretty good.

Beyond that Pheonix can bend reality. Basically she has control over all time and space so speed is irrelevent.

But that story wasn't canon. So many things were good about that story yet so many things were wrong with it. The very thought of Phoenix even scratcthing pre-crisis Darkseid is.......just......wrong. So wrong.

 

[Phenomenal]

Uh....how about heroes reborn were Frankiln Richards made Thor AND Hulk re-live their entire lives as he saw fit or how Korvac pwned the Avengers like it was nothing with his even bringing them back to life in the end.

And Surfer isn't really a reality manipulator.

LOL, Heroes reborn was a crossover and it happened in Franlin Richards pocket dimension. Franklin Richards before that presumably got pwned in the Onlsaught arc. Thor didn't get pwned by Korvac from what I remember he killled some other Avengers but not Thor. Thor saved the day IIRC.

Surfer does have some reality Warping abilities but it wouldn't work against people more powerful than himself (Thor/Thanos).

First off Phoenix lost because she didn't even know how to use her own powers at the time. Second, I would really like to see how Mags would survive against the JLA when there are four members on the team that can move faster than the speed of thought. That rules out the psychics too. Magneto would have his head ripped of in less then a nano-second.

Being inexperienced doesnt mean you dont have incredible power. It means its just raw and unfocused, much like X-man. As you can see Phoenix wasnt holding back, anyone would have needed to draw on more power to combat that. So Maggs did something that would Kill Superman.

Speedblitz Magneto????

Spoiler

I don't see the JLA winning against him.