Joe Wright to Helm 'Pan'

[Rowsdower!]

I don't know, I think it looks pretty bad. I'm typically a fan of Hedlund's, but I'm really not liking what I see from him here. Like Eddie said, he sounds like an SNL version of Daniel Plainview. Jackman looks like he's giving it his all here, but the rest of it... I don't know. The effects where Peter is flying through space look pretty terrible, and the kid playing Peter doesn't appear to be a very strong actor at least in these clips. Not sure what to make of Mara here yet; agreed about the miscasting aspect of it, though. And that headdress thing she's wearing looks ridiculous.

I just... don't know. I don't want to hate on this movie and the first trailer intrigued me somewhat. But this one... while it added more magical elements... made made less interested in the film.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't know, I think it looks pretty bad. I'm typically a fan of Hedlund's, but I'm really not liking what I see from him here. Like Eddie said, he sounds like an SNL version of Daniel Plainview. Jackman looks like he's giving it his all here, but the rest of it... I don't know. The effects where Peter is flying through space look pretty terrible, and the kid playing Peter doesn't appear to be a very strong actor at least in these clips. Not sure what to make of Mara here yet; agreed about the miscasting aspect of it, though. And that headdress thing she's wearing looks ridiculous.

I just... don't know. I don't want to hate on this movie and the first trailer intrigued me somewhat. But this one... while it added more magical elements... made made less interested in the film.

It seems Neverland here is made up completely of transplants from the British and Irish Isles. Hence the rather rubbish gear and clothing they are wearing. I guess they could have cast someone Indian, though there isn't that much similarity in terms of looks, but a Native American? Doesn't seem to make much sense in context.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Even if they were only transplants from the British Isles, it wouldn't be impossible for a Native American to find her way over there. Pocahontas, for example, traveled to London at one point.

Anyway, regardless of all that... this whole thing just doesn't look very good to me. I know Joe Wright is a good director, but he might be out of his element here.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Even if they were only transplants from the British Isles, it wouldn't be impossible for a Native American to find her way over there. Pocahontas, for example, traveled to London at one point.

Anyway, regardless of all that... this whole thing just doesn't look very good to me. I know Joe Wright is a good director, but he might be out of his element here.

Impossible? No. Likely? I wouldn't say so. The tribe in the film seems to be heavily made up of two races. Both common to Britain. Chances are she would have literally been the only Native American in the group.

And personally, I think it looks fantastic. But to each their own.

 

[Hunter Rider]

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Joe Wright, I do adore the.

The visuals are fantastic as usual with Wright, the flying ships will be a highlight.

 

[Mad Ones]

I think the movie visually looks great. I'm liking Hedlund hamming it up.

It's not a great sign if you have to defend a movie against white-washing accusations. This was a pretty big miss opportunity for some diversity regarding leading actors, despite how cool Mara looks.

 

[terry78]

How many native american actors are out there though?

 

[Mad Ones]

Probably a lot that don't get any work because white actors get priority casting. Even when the studio is casting a character that has been Native American since 1902.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Loving the visuals.

I'm not sure about how these personalities turn into the Peter and Hook of legend (if at all).

 

[Octoberist]

How many native american actors are out there though?

Even though Ridiculous 6 sound like a stupid racist movie, they too hired native americans..though that's not a good argument since they've walked off from the shoot.

 

[#root]

The visuals look stunning, but really not feeling Hedlund hamming it up. Joe Wright's awesome though, so, looking forward to this .

 

[Napoleon]

I'll be honest, the only reason that I have any sort of interest in this movie is Hugh Jackman. I'll literally watch anything that he's in.

Visually though, it looks very interesting and unique, but not really my cup of tea I guess.

Also, am I the only one who's reminded of Edward Kenway from Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag when I see Hedlund in this film?

 

[Rowsdower!]

How many native american actors are out there though?

Hold a casting call for Native American actors. Problem solved.

 

[StarLord]

Blackbeard wasn't allowed on the Peter Pan ride, no wonder he's pissed.

 

[Marvolo]

Hold a casting call for Native American actors. Problem solved.

But is it really necesary for this film's Tigerlilly? Is there something about this version of the character that a non-native american cant believably do?

 

[Rowsdower!]

But is it really necesary for this film's Tigerlilly? Is there something about this version of the character that a non-native american cant believably do?

Why ISN'T it necessary? The character has been portrayed as Native American for 100 years... why change it? Why can't it work in this movie? The argument that all of the characters are transplants from the British Isles doesn't work because Hook is clearly American.

 

[Marvolo]

Why ISN'T it necessary? The character has been portrayed as Native American for 100 years... why change it? Why can't it work in this movie? The argument that all of the characters are transplants from the British Isles doesn't work because Hook is clearly American.

Im just saying that she doesnt need to be native american. Nothing about the character within the context of the story requires her to be a specific race or have a specific genetic background. She could have been asian or Guatemalan for all I care.

 

[Mad Ones]

Defending white washing. Not a great sign indeed.

 

[Brother Jack]

Im just saying that she doesnt need to be native american. Nothing about the character within the context of the story requires her to be a specific race or have a specific genetic background. She could have been asian or Guatemalan for all I care.

She was written to be Native American by J.M. Barrie, the original author. Written to be the princess of a Native tribe. What other qualifications would the character need to be Native American? That's just what the character is. This version is a deviation that may or may not make sense (not be offensive) within this particular story.

 

[Marvolo]

She was written to be Native American by J.M. Barrie, the original author. Written to be the princess of a Native tribe. What other qualifications would the character need to be Native American? That's just what the character is. This version is a deviation that may or may not make sense (not be offensive) within this particular story.

She can still be a princess of a tribe of neverland. I doubt her genetics will matter much in the context of the film. But if they make a point of saying that the Tigerlilly in this film is Native American then yeah Id take issue with Rooney playing her. Like if she tells Pan she was a princess of a Native American tribe then that would be weird considering Rooney is white. But if the Tigerlilly in this film isnt a native american and is instead just some british girl who was kidnapped then Rooney playing her is hardly an issue. Just depends on how much theyve changed her character's background.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

People do realize how racist Tiger Lily and the Indians are right? Not Native Americans, Indians. Running around likea big racist stereotype that would be right at home playing football for Dan Snyder.

 

[Brother Jack]

Just seems like an arbitrary change to me. But like I said it is dependent on the story itself. Though its hard not to think of it as purely a marketing choice.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Just seems like an arbitrary change to me. But like I said it is dependent on the story itself. Though its hard not to think of it as purely a marketing choice.

Is Rooney Mara marketable? I love her, adore her, one of my absolute favorites. That she is working with Joe Wright is right up there with her making out with with Cate Blanchett. This year is a bit of a dream on the Rooney Mara front for me. But is she a marketable star? I wouldn't say so. Hugh Jackman seems to be the "star".

I think they cast Rooney because she tested best and Wright wanted to work with her. After all the other two front runners were Adele Exarchopoulos and Lupita Nyong'o. Neither of which are Native American. Though I do wonder people would be complaining if Lupita got the role.

 

[Octoberist]

Well two wrongs doesn't make it right, you know. Nothing against Rooney but this sort of version is worse. Rock and a hard place.

 

[Marvolo]

Just seems like an arbitrary change to me. But like I said it is dependent on the story itself. Though its hard not to think of it as purely a marketing choice.

Could have been that Wright specifically wanted to work with her and she liked the character of Tigerlilly.