The Avengers Joss Whedon leading on "Avengers" short list of directors

[kedrell]

I wouldn't want Kevin Smith directing the Avengers either and he's also a comics fan and one who's made a **** more films than Whedon.

 

[flickchick85]

Hmmm the majority beg to differ about TIH. Personally i preferred Ang Lee's Hulk, but i admit i'm in the minority there.

Even the positive reviews were hardly all that enthusiastic. At most, the reaction was "eh, not bad." I'm with you, though - I preferred Lee's Hulk. But neither of them were all that great, imo.

Whedon has worked with nobodies before. Not stars like RDJ or Sam L Jackson.

So he obviously can't?

Whedon has made ONE crappy movie and a few girl power or just crappy TV shows.

We obviously disagree there, so there's nothing further to say.

 

[ScarletSpider]

I was worried about how this film was going to turn out before, now I'm not. I've got total faith in Whedon. People will turn out to see Iron Man and friends anyway, but with Whedon on board I feel like there'll be a great deal of care and warmth to the film. He knows how to juggle ensembles, he knows witty dialogue, he knows comics.

Serenity is one of my favourite movies, I can't wait to see what Joss does with this.

 

[ScarletSpider]

I was worried about how this film was going to turn out before, now I'm not. I've got total faith in Whedon. People will turn out to see Iron Man and friends anyway, but with Whedon on board I feel like there'll be a great deal of care and warmth to the film. He knows how to juggle ensembles, he knows witty dialogue, he knows comics.

Serenity is one of my favourite movies, I can't wait to see what Joss does with this.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea exactly.

Why not get Spielberg, Scott or even JJ Abrams or Favs?

Why get the guy who has done nothing except give us Buffy the ****ing Vampire Slayer and some crappy cult sci fi film?

 

[kedrell]

Witty dialogue? Like that god-aweful future-speak in Serenity that made it hard to understand what they were saying much of the time(basically the audio/vocal equivalent of Ang Lee's split screen fiasco in Hulk)? Yeah, that was his idea.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Even the positive reviews were hardly all that enthusiastic. At most, the reaction was "eh, not bad." I'm with you, though - I preferred Lee's Hulk. But neither of them were all that great, imo.

Well what sort of reviews did Serenity get...

So he obviously can't?

Not saying he can't, i'm saying he hasn't. And Avengers is going to be a MEGA budget film. It's a massive risk getting a TV show director to helm a movie of this size and importance.

We obviously disagree there, so there's nothing further to say.

Well you are a woman, so of course you'd like his shows

But there is something you cannot deny... he has only made ONE film with a bunch of nobodies. Now he is getting to helm probably THE biggest comic book movie ever? Just doesn't make any sense to me.

Like i said in another post, i think a lot of peoples judgement is being clouded by the fact that he is a comic fan and has written a much loved X-Men run.

 

[kedrell]

Not liking the X-Men at ALL, I can't comment on his run there. But I'm hearing elsewhere that people are comparing this to the choice of Favreau for IM1. That is a very flawed analogy, IMO.

 

[flickchick85]

Well what sort of reviews did Serenity get...

Go to Metacritic and compare the two. Actually read the positive reviews for both. I think you'll find the positives for Serenity to have much more enthusiasm than the positives for TIH.

Not saying he can't, i'm saying he hasn't. And Avengers is going to be a MEGA budget film. It's a massive risk getting a TV show director to help a movie of this size and importance.

Better to get a guy who's used to making the most out of a small budget than a guy who's used to using a big budget as a crutch.

Well you are a woman, so of course you'd like his shows

Real men can appreciate strong female characters, too.

But in all seriousness, as others have said, I think Angel proved he could do great stuff with male characters as well.

But there is something you cannot deny... he has only made ONE film with a bunch of nobodies. Now he is getting to helm probably THE biggest comic book movie ever?

You're right, that's a fact, and it has ZERO to do with his talent as a filmmaker. Marvel makes these choices based on proven skill and sensibilities, not the roster of A-listers they've worked with in the past.

 

[kedrell]

Actually, prior proven success is very germaine to whether he should direct this movie. I mean, has he EVER demonstrated an ability to connect much with the general public? No. Just his own fanbase which is my he's niche'.

 

[kedrell]

I guess I'll just hope that Favs ends up controling Whedon to the point that Favs is basically directing this film by proxy.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

I guess I'll just hope that Favs ends up controling Whedon to the point that Favs is basically directing this film by proxy.

qft!
the only way whedon would work is when he's heavily influenced and controlled by other, better directors

 

[Octoberist]

this is good news!

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

this is good news!

not for movie fans..

 

[DarthDaveBanner]

I'm personally more worried about the script at the moment. Even the best director can't do much with a crappy script and Zak Penn doesn't have a great track record...

 

[david icke]

qft!
the only way whedon would work is when he's heavily influenced and controlled by other, better directors

What does this even mean? I take it you are just trying to find different ways of saying 'I don't like this guy is doing Avenjurs!'

You can just tell from some comments that folk are ignorant of his sterling superhero work on Buffy and Angel, and only have a passing familiarity.

and you can compare it to Favs on Iron-Man, as they were saying over on aicn, Zathura showed he could do good, real characters, alongside sfx and have it funny too. In fact, he has more of a superhero pedigree than Faverau did before Iron-Man. He didn't have a big budget for Serenity, and has done great work on tv with limited budgets, often producing better material than most of the superhero movies out there. He is going to shut a lot of people up with this movie now he has got his hands on the big budget and scope he deserves.
This is like Picasso only being allowed a pencil up until now, everyone has only seen his sketch book, and because they have never seen him do a painting yet, they don't believe he can.

edit: Oh, and for anyone who is proclaiming that he is not a good choice because 'Serenity' did not do well at the BO or connected to the mainstream, take into consideration that neither of Faverau's previous efforts did either, 'Zathura' bombed at the BO, and 'Made' did not connect to the 'stream in any way that compared to 'Swingers'(which Fav only wrote), despite having the same two leads.

 

[chamber-music]

If this was a Fox studios movie I wouldn't trust Zak Penn to write his own name let alone a script but hopefully being a Marvel studios movie the script will be up to scratch.

 

[david icke]

I'm personally more worried about the script at the moment. Even the best director can't do much with a crappy script and Zak Penn doesn't have a great track record...

Yes they can if they are being allowed to re-write the script, which Whedon is in the case of Avengers. He worked as a script-doctor before Buffy, so is qualified in more ways than one. The guy whose name is credited with writing 'Speed' even conceded that Whedon wrote the whole movie basically, his re-write was so thorough, in fact I have read that that whole final script is basically his.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Sterling work on Buffy and Angel? GTFO! lol I've seen plenty of episodes. My mum and ex girlfriend used to love them. Key words: MUM and ex GIRLfriend.

You know what's gonna happen, Cap, Stark and Thor are gonna be standing around with their thumbs up their asses whilst Wasp defeats Loki and his hordes of Frost Giants or whatever.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

You can just tell from some comments that folk are ignorant of his sterling superhero work on Buffy and Angel, and only have a passing familiarity.
.

sadly I'm very familiar with Buffy. and that's why I'm worried.

 

[kedrell]

david icke, I noticed how you conveniently forgot the one big hit Favs had prior to Iron Man. Just sayin'.

 

[david icke]

david icke, I noticed how you conveniently forgot the one big hit Favs had prior to Iron Man. Just sayin'.

Well, pipe up! Save me a google you lazy man. I thought he had only directed Zathura and Made before Iron-Man, so I'll look him up.
But, anyway, c'mon, it still proves nothing, and y'know what, Whedon choosing to make his directorial movie debut with a film that tied up his tv show was a brave decision and one for the fans. I imagine he was fully aware it would probably not connect with the mainsteam audience, not many director's films do anyway. edit: I think it's far more admirable and pertinent that the guy made a lowish budget look far better than many would.

edit: Ok, he did 'ELF' holy crap, lol, I watched that on tv when it was on at Christmas, I don't know if I would be so into highlighting that as an example of why the situation is different, any half decent chump could have directed that movie and made it a hit, it was the Will Ferrell name that got the bums in seats for that generic crap.

 

[david icke]

Sterling work on Buffy and Angel? GTFO! lol I've seen plenty of episodes. My mum and ex girlfriend used to love them. Key words: MUM and ex GIRLfriend.

You know what's gonna happen, Cap, Stark and Thor are gonna be standing around with their thumbs up their asses whilst Wasp defeats Loki and his hordes of Frost Giants or whatever.

Ok, but from the stress you put on how it was a 'girly' show, I feel you were embaressed to be watching it because you consider yourself a man's man, and this was of course a pink girly my little pony extravanganza.
Maybe it was this slightly uncomfortable feeling you had sitting watching it with your mum and girlfriend that stopped you from chilling out and getting into the show. It really is not a girly show at all.
Whedon has said that 'Angel's more a guy show', so I don't know, maybe you would have enjoyed that show better. There are fans who prefer one to the other, even girls who prefer Angel to Buffy.

and Buffy being a 'girly' show, if you consider it to be that, is not a valid critisicm at all for him not doing Avengers, that doesn't make it a bad superhero show, just maybe one not to your tastes.
That in fact seems to be the only critisicm you have made, and that is no critisicm at all. It's not even taken into consideration the fact he created a guy superhero show too.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

No it being girly isn't my only criticism. My other criticism is that they were too TRY HARD. They tried too hard to be hip and happening and it came off forced. The one liners literally made me cringe.

The fight scenes looked worse than Power Ranger fight scenes. The relationships between most of the characters were unbelievable and cheesy in most cases.

See for me the only redeeming factor for Buffy was Anthony Head. But seeing as he is awesome in everything that isn't that hard to do. And maybe Spike. And i mean maybe.

And i did give Angel a chance. But David Borenaz or whatever his name is has about as much charisma as a dish cloth. And again, it tried too hard to be hip and happening.

 

[david icke]

sadly I'm very familiar with Buffy. and that's why I'm worried.

Sadly you do not appear to be highlighting any specific problems you had with the show and are just bemoaning the fact in as many ways as you can think of. If you disliked it to the extent that you did, why did you continue to watch it? Don't tell me, the girlfriend had you chained to the radiator and Clockwork Orange'd your eyelids open right?