The Avengers Joss Whedon leading on "Avengers" short list of directors

[roach]

Ace is in the Navy?

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must..resist...urge...to sing....stupid...songs....

uh no I used to be and my avatar is me with my rifle....what stupid songst:

I got out to go to film school

 

[Saint]

But it's still a typical "Whedonism".

I don't think you know very much about typical Whedon.

Whedon hasn't made anything truely popular or really good since Buffy.

He may not have made anything as widely popular as Buffy, but to say he hasn't made anything "Really good" is just ludicrous.

You're right.... what was I thinking ..... any director can work with any actor. Doesn't matter the caliber or pedigree. He worked with Adam Balwin, and ..... and ...... and .... in that movie ......

I'm sorry, but you're not explaining why Whedon's inexperience with big name actors is a problem. If Whedon is a professional and the actors are professionals, I fail to see the problem.

I never said anything about being "afraid" of the result.

You didn't have to; if you weren't afraid the film would suffer, then you would not have made the complaint.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Have just noticed folk talking about Joss doing a Cap re-write too? excellent...Joss Whedon will save the Marvel Universe, lol. Love it!
Finally, a guy who gets the characters and mechanics of superheroes will be injecting greatness into this shared universe, and we might get something more than the usual thing, which lets be honest, TIH and Iron-Man were, IM was elevated dramatically by RdJr's performance, and TIH, although very enjoyable was let down by quite crappy CGI and a absolutely fricking awful end battle.
Now, we will get the kind of developed interactions and surprises you get from great comics, instead of following the formula of all the superhero movies up until now. Thank god for that, some fresh blood and long term planning coming to the table, Marvel know *exactly* what they are doing, it needed a strong voice like this in the shared universe concept, to bring it all together in a way that feels organic and full of surprises, instead of just a bunch of action movies being linked up, the best news this concept could have had.

No... Iron Man had better character interaction than anything Whedon has ever done. It was slick, cool and grown up... not forced, hokey and teeny bopper.

He won't save the MU. He'll "Whedonize" it.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I don't think you know very much about typical Whedon.

Errr... yea i do. Forced, hokey, teeny bopper. Three things that spring to mind straightaway.

 

[Saint]

Yea and it indicates that Joss can direct a thunder god raining down lighting, a man monster smashing buildings into rubble etc. NOT

Avengers ain't Batman.

Then it's a good thing I didn't say that, eh? I was only explaining why the fight looked like a dance. Have fun playing with your strawman, though.

 

[Son of Coul]

Can we cool it with the silly Whedon terms for a bit ("Whedonites," "Whedonisms," etc)? A little funny at first, getting kind of annoying.

Also please refrain from quoting that last sentence and saying "JUST LIKE WHEDONITES AND WHEDONISMS LOL!"

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Then it's a good thing I didn't say that, eh? I was only explaining why the fight looked like a dance. Have fun playing with your strawman, though.

And i'm saying Whedon has never demonstrated a action style that suits the Avengers. And it hasn't.

The Avengers don't go round engaging in hand to hand combat. Apart from Cap. And don't say Serenity... the action in that was crap too.

 

[Chewy]

Can we cool it with the silly Whedon terms for a bit ("Whedonites," "Whedonisms," etc)? A little funny at first, getting kind of annoying.

Also please refrain from quoting that last sentence and saying "JUST LIKE WHEDONITES AND WHEDONISMS LOL!"

This, and if we could also not refer to Marvel as "Evil" for hiring Joss Whedon that's be swell.

 

[Saint]

Errr... yea i do.

Nope. Complaints about inappropriate topical humour, complaints about dominance of female characters, complaints about "girlyness"--all of these betray a critical ignorance of the man's work.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

You know what else is annoying? That Whedonites can't accept that people don't like him or his style and think he isn't suited to Avengers.

I've been reading Avengers books for ****ing yeeeeaaaarrrs. And IMO he isn't suited to them... at all.

And please, Whedonites, don't mention his X run again. Joe Kelly is a comic book god IMO. Do i think he should direct a Deadpool film or a JLA film? **** no.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Nope. Complaints about inappropriate topical humour, complaints about dominance of female characters, complaints about "girlyness"--all of these betray a critical ignorance of the man's work.

I don't recall complaining about dominance of female characters without joking.

I've been complaining that he tries too hard to be hip and cool, that he is a mediocre if not crap action director, and that his style just does not suit the Avengers.

 

[lixdexia]

Errr... yea i do. Forced, hokey, teeny bopper. Three things that spring to mind straightaway.

you're making me take saint's side in an argument...and for that i hate you. i tihnk we've firmly established that you don't like whedon (though your need to cite his "whedoniness" and use of "whedonisms" doesn't adequately explain your why. not that you need to, but if you are to continue try giving a reason you don't like him that doesn't use his name (other than to dirrectly identify him) in it.) maybe go into what it is exactly you're worried about him missing the mark on with the avengers?

also, dividing ourselves into camps is only going to slow the progression of actual conversation.

 

[roach]

This, and if we could also not refer to Marvel as "Evil" for hiring Joss Whedon that's be swell.

also could we not hear that Whedon is "perfect for this because he knows how to direct ensembles" that gets annoying to.

and bringing up favorite episodes of "Buffy" and "Firefly" to show that he can direct action.


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[Son of Coul]

I'm not too concerned about the action, Favs was never an action guy so for IM2 he just hired dudes to do it for him. Marvel knows this movie will need big action pieces and likely won't leave them all in the hands of one guy, even if he is the director.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

you're making me take saint's side in an argument...and for that i hate you. i tihnk we've firmly established that you don't like whedon (though your need to cite his "whedoniness" and use of "whedonisms" doesn't adequately explain your why. not that you need to, but if you are to continue try giving a reason you don't like him that doesn't use his name (other than to dirrectly identify him) in it.) maybe go into what it is exactly you're worried about him missing the mark on with the avengers?

also, dividing ourselves into camps is only going to slow the progression of actual conversation.

My use of Whedonites and Whedonisms is for joking purposes mainly... the other uses is to annoy people who annoy me on the level of Stephanie Myer fans.

And i have gone into why i don't think he is right for this project on mulitple occasions.

He does crap action scenes, his dialogue is not in fact hip and cool, it tries to be sure, it OBVIOUSLY tries to be. That's my biggest problem right there. I find his whole style to be, not very adult, can't really put it into words perfectly i apologize. But it just comes off as teenage soap opera crap.

Oh but he is great at directing ensembles! So what? So is Martin ****ing Scorcese. Is he right for Avengers? No. Actually that's a bad example, i think he could do anything. But yea, Whedon ain't no Martin Scorcese.

See those are the only defenses his supporters can come up with. He's great at doing ensembles! Buffy episode 5 series 6 was brilliant! He wrote a great X run!

So. ****ing. what?

 

[Saint]

And i'm saying Whedon has never demonstrated a action style that suits the Avengers. And it hasn't.

I know what you were saying. I was telling you that your reply had nothing to do with what I said. Let''s simplify the exchange:

Iron Stark: "That fight looked like a dance."
Saint: "It's supposed to. She's a dancer."
Ace: "But that doesn't mean Whedon can direct Avengers action!"
Saint: "Which is why I made no such argument; I was only explaining why it looked like a dance.
Ace: "Whedon hasn't demonstrated any ability to direct Avengers action!"
Saint: "..."

You know what else is annoying? That Whedonites can't accept that people don't like him or his style and think he isn't suited to Avengers.

I have no problem with people who don't like Whedon; I recognize that his style can sometimes be polarizing and simply isn't for everyone. My problem is only when people make deeply flawed and erroneous complaints, such as that Whedon neglects male characters or stuffs topical humour in where it is not appropriate.

 

[dsfjr1190]

You know what else is annoying? That Whedonites can't accept that people don't like him or his style and think he isn't suited to Avengers.

I've been reading Avengers books for ****ing yeeeeaaaarrrs. And IMO he isn't suited to them... at all.

And please, Whedonites, don't mention his X run again. Joe Kelly is a comic book god IMO. Do i think he should direct a Deadpool film or a JLA film? **** no.

You're not allowed to say anything negative about Joss Whedon. EVAR!

Either you think he's awesome, or you're opinion is worthless. That's how it feels talking to a Whedonite.

also could we not hear that Whedon is "perfect for this because he knows how to direct ensembles" that gets annoying to.

and bringing up favorite episodes of "Buffy" and "Firefly" to show that he can direct action.

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It seems like they can say reasons why they think he'd be good, but they get all pissy when we voice our opinions that doubt the almighty Whedon.

 

[Saint]

you're making me take saint's side in an argument...and for that i hate you.

Me too. Agreeing with you is a strongly upsetting situation.

 

[roach]

You're not allowed to say anything negative about Joss Whedon. EVAR!

Either you think he's awesome, or you're opinion is worthless. That's how it feels talking to a Whedonite.




It seems like they can say reasons why they think he'd be good, but they get all pissy when we voice our opinions that doubt the almighty Whedon.

exactly

 

[Dark Raven]

No... Iron Man had better character interaction than anything Whedon has ever done. It was slick, cool and grown up... not forced, hokey and teeny bopper.

He won't save the MU. He'll "Whedonize" it.

Even if Whedon rewrites the Avengers script but RDJ comes in, isn't he going to end up rewriting it anyway like how he did for Iron Man? He might think: "what is this ****? I can't say that!" Then he might end up improvising and not adhering to Whedon's dialogue.

Certainly Norton will probably end up rewriting things too if he's on board. So I can't imagine this is going to really end up a true Whedon script if all these actors have their way.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I know what you were saying. I was telling you that your reply had nothing to do with what I said. Let''s simplify the exchange:

Iron Stark: "That fight looked like a dance."
Saint: "It's supposed to. She's a dancer."
Ace: "But that doesn't mean Whedon can direct Avengers action!"
Saint: "Which is why I made no such argument; I was only explaining why it looked like a dance.
Ace: "Whedon hasn't demonstrated any ability to direct Avengers action!"
Saint: "..."

OK fair enough. But my statement still stands and no one has come close to rebuffing it.

I have no problem with people who don't like Whedon; I recognize that his style can sometimes be polarizing and simply isn't for everyone. My problem is only when people make deeply flawed and erroneous complaints, such as that Whedon neglects male characters or stuffs topical humour in where it is not appropriate.

Thats fair enough. But i ain't one of those people so...

 

[lixdexia]

also could we not hear that Whedon is "perfect for this because he knows how to direct ensembles" that gets annoying to.

and bringing up favorite episodes of "Buffy" and "Firefly" to show that he can direct action.


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that first one i'll grant you, but the second is asking "can people stop presenting specific evidence to support their case?"

and that is asinine. "but isn't that the same as asking people to stop saying they hate whedonisms?" no, because it's a specific example as opposed to a generalized term which may or may not be standing in for an actual example...plus it's corruption of the mans name that has come to carry a negative connotation in this thread.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

But when someone says have you seen this episode of Buffy?

And i go yea... and?

And they are like "Well how can you not like that? I can't believe it!"

That's ****ing annoying. I've seen PLENTY of Buffy and Angel episodes... thanks to my mum and ex girlfriend. And i've seen a few Firefly eps and Serenity. I refuse to watch Dollhouse though because i hate Dushku. And I STILL think Whedon is wrong for this.

But you guys won't accept it.

 

[lixdexia]

Me too. Agreeing with you is a strongly upsetting situation.

then we're agreed. the blood feud continues.

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...aw double damnit! we did it again

OK fair enough. But my statement still stands and no one has come close to rebuffing it.

that you don't think he can direct actions scenes? how can anyone rebuff an opinion? perhaps you should present a specific scene and breakdown the flaws you see in it and how you feel they could be improved.

also something to ponder, i'm not sure if you specifically have partaken in the FAVS DOES ACTION SOO MUCH BETTER! but if counter this "argument"
1- had favs done an action movie ironman? since? (excluding ironman 2)
2- is it the choreography or the shot composition you're *****ing about?...because you realize the director doesn't actually stage the fights himself don't you

 

[lixdexia]

But when someone says have you seen this episode of Buffy?

And i go yea... and?

And they are like "Well how can you not like that? I can't believe it!"

That's ****ing annoying. I've seen PLENTY of Buffy and Angel episodes... thanks to my mum and ex girlfriend. And i've seen a few Firefly eps and Serenity. I refuse to watch Dollhouse though because i hate Dushku. And I STILL think Whedon is wrong for this.

But you guys won't accept it.

yes, that is extremely annoying, but you're generalizing posters and placing them into camps. there are annoying posters who can't qualify a stance on every side of this discussion.

to you specifically, how is repeating "i don't think he's right for this!" any less annoying than "he's perfect for this!" ?