Just saw Slither....

[thealiasman2000]

So I guess the trailer lied when it said it was the greatest horror movie of all time...

 

[Horrorfan]

So I guess the trailer lied when it said it was the greatest horror movie of all time...

Are you stupid? Or this this just a cunning act you put on?


BTW DAWN OF THE DEAD 04 WAS FANTASTIC! Best horror movie I have seen in years.

 

[Flexo]

Are you stupid? Or this this just a cunning act you put on?


BTW DAWN OF THE DEAD 04 WAS FANTASTIC! Best horror movie I have seen in years.

No. Just... no.

Dawn blew chunks. Zombies that not only run but make ******ed angry faces and cheetah noises? Shallow characters without personality? Come on! Romero didn't deserve that.

 

[Horrorfan]

No. Just... no.

Dawn blew chunks. Zombies that not only run but make ******ed angry faces and cheetah noises? Shallow characters without personality? Come on! Romero didn't deserve that.

Honestly? You're the only person I have seen who didn't like it.More brutal honesty: I think it's better than the original.I in no way mean to disrespect George, and I sure as hell aren't taking away it's impact on the genre; it definitly was the more groundbreaking of the two movies. It is well made and a good film.....BUT (and here is the but) it has dated, horribly, and the acting is wooden as hell. I didn't care who lived or died in the movie since everyone was pretty much as animated as the store maniquinns.The more groundbreaking of the two films is Romero's, no doubt...but the better acted, more fun to watch and simply more tense movie? 04, if you are being honest with yourself.

 

[Flexo]

Honestly? You're the only person I have seen who didn't like it.More brutal honesty: I think it's better than the original.I in no way mean to disrespect George, and I sure as hell aren't taking away it's impact on the genre; it definitly was the more groundbreaking of the two movies. It is well made and a good film.....BUT (and here is the but) it has dated, horribly, and the acting is wooden as hell. I didn't care who lived or died in the movie since everyone was pretty much as animated as the store maniquinns.The more groundbreaking of the two films is Romero's, no doubt...but the better acted, more fun to watch and simply more tense movie? 04, if you are being honest with yourself.

Honesty? Bologna. Dawn (Original) had great characters that interacted wonderfully. In the remake, there's your cliche tough chick, her back up buddy, and the tough cop that secretly has a heart of gold. It's so lame it made me want to vomit. I hated all the characters and didn't even bother to learn their names.

Were as the original Dawn, it sucked when Roger bit the dust, and I was pissed when the bikers started shooting at Peter and Flyboy.

The original Dawn stands head and shoulders above the remake.

 

[Horrorfan]

Honesty? Bologna. Dawn (Original) had great characters that interacted wonderfully. In the remake, there's your cliche tough chick, her back up buddy, and the tough cop that secretly has a heart of gold. It's so lame it made me want to vomit. I hated all the characters and didn't even bother to learn their names.

Were as the original Dawn, it sucked when Roger bit the dust, and I was pissed when the bikers started shooting at Peter and Flyboy.

The original Dawn stands head and shoulders above the remake.

Ah I get it; one of those people who fears change and going against the status quo. I understand

 

[Flexo]

Ah I get it; one of those people who fears change and going against the status quo. I understand

Go ahead and believe that, but Dawn didn't feel like a zombie movie; it felt like just another generic non-scary below-mediocre horror drek.

Also, how would I fear going against the status quo? You're the one that claimed everyone you knew loved the remake.

 

[Horrorfan]

Go ahead and believe that, but Dawn didn't feel like a zombie movie; it felt like just another generic non-scary below-mediocre horror drek.

Also, how would I fear going against the status quo? You're the one that claimed everyone you knew loved the remake.

Because everyone says how fantastic the old Dawn is too, and how it's a classic....in some ways thats true. It broke new ground. But it's still dated and poorly acted, and not many people have the courage to admit it.

I love Romero. Sorry if I came off a little pissy, not a great day today. If you dont like the remake thats cool, but for me it's one of my favourite movies. It was fun, good characters and great acting (imo anyway) and a good script.

 

[thealiasman2000]

You know, I'm with Flexo here: no way that crappy remake is better than Romero's masterpiece.

They got the zombies all wrong, and every single character was a cliche.

I mean, 30 years from now no one will know who Zack Snyder or James Gunn were, but George A. Romero's name will forever be recorded in history.

I mean, he INVENTED the zombie genre! The only one that can challenge him in that aspect is Lucio Fulci.

 

[Horrorfan]

You know, I'm with Flexo here: no way that crappy remake is better than Romero's masterpiece.

They got the zombies all wrong, and every single character was a cliche.

I mean, 30 years from now no one will know who Zack Snyder or James Gunn were, but George A. Romero's name will forever be recorded in history.

I mean, he INVENTED the zombie genre! The only one that can challenge him in that aspect is Lucio Fulci.

I LOVE George. I love his movies. But honestly, the remake was a better movie.

George deserves to be remembered. He INVENTED the genre, like you say, more or less (in film anyway). But that doesn't mean it cant be improved upon.... Nintendo (alright not exactly but still) more or less invented the modern console, yet microsoft and sony did it better. doesnt take away what nintendo accomplished but you get my point right?

I dont like Fulci. Or Italian horror in general. Most of them have crappy effects, actors and no plot or character. Just IMO.

Sorry bout calling you an idiot before, bad day. But check out slither (its trailer really was meant to be funny, it wasnt seriously saying its better than those movies, I promise you). Its a lot of fun.

 

[thealiasman2000]

1-Apologies accepted. And I do plan on seeing "Slither".

2-If you honsetly believe the Dawn remake was better than the original, then you don't REALLY love Romero.

Romero not only invented, he PERFECTIONED the zombie genre. Why improve (or change, for that matter) what is already perfect? Ever heard the saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"?

And how was it better, exactly? the remake wasn't even as good as the original, let alone better.

Every single character acted in a cliched way (the tough black guy, the irredimable jerk, the cheerleader valley girl, the smart virgin girl), the zombies didn't act like zombies (zombies DON'T run, period), and it ended up being more stupid than scary (WTF was up with the zombie baby? Who does this guy think he is, Peter Jackson?).

 

[Horrorfan]

1-Apologies accepted. And I do plan on seeing "Slither".

2-If you honsetly believe the Dawn remake was better than the original, then you don't REALLY love Romero.

Romero not only invented, he PERFECTIONED the zombie genre. Why improve (or change, for that matter) what is already perfect? Ever heard the saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"?

And how was it better, exactly? the remake wasn't even as good as the original, let alone better.

Every single character acted in a cliched way (the tough black guy, the irredimable jerk, the cheerleader valley girl, the smart virgin girl), the zombies didn't act like zombies (zombies DON'T run, period), and it ended up being more stupid than scary (WTF was up with the zombie baby? Who does this guy think he is, Peter Jackson?).

I thought the acting was better, the dialogue was better, the characters were better, the fx were better, it had a better pace...it just felt more intense overall. It made the zombie outbreak in dawn seem like a mild case of herpes. But anyway I understand why you like it more.

I love George's movies, and for making the zombie genre. I loved Land of the Dead....but honestly, Dawn 04 is my favourite zombie movie, and one of my favourite movies ever, so it's not like Im saying George's movies are crappy.


And I've never seen a zombie in real life so I can't tell you if they run or not

but I'd be much more scared of a zombie that runs than one I could outrun with broken legs...

 

[thealiasman2000]

1-Ah, but you could outrun a thousand zombies? Or a million?

Zombies always come in large number, like the Aliens from the "Alien" movies. That's what makes them so deadly: even if you can outrun them, there's nowhere to run.

2-So people acting like rejects from "Buffy" is good acting? Face it, the only non-annoying, non-stupid character in the entire movie is Ving Rhames. And at the end, they all get killed.

I'm sorry, but old school zombies look more realistic than CGI zombies.

And the creepier, scarier movies always have a slow pace. Can you imagine Hitchcock's "Psycho" with a Matrix pace? Or "The Shining" moving like a videoclip?

3-And to say that it's the best zombie movie is plain blasfemy. What about "Shaun of the Dead"? "Return of the Living Dead", "Lucio Fulci's Zombie" or "28 Days Later"?

 

[Horrorfan]

1-Ah, but you could outrun a thousand zombies? Or a million?

Zombies always come in large number, like the Aliens from the "Alien" movies. That's what makes them so deadly: even if you can outrun them, there's nowhere to run.

2-So people acting like rejects from "Buffy" is good acting? Face it, the only non-annoying, non-stupid character in the entire movie is Ving Rhames. And at the end, they all get killed.

I'm sorry, but old school zombies look more realistic than CGI zombies.

And the creepier, scarier movies always have a slow pace. Can you imagine Hitchcock's "Psycho" with a Matrix pace? Or "The Shining" moving like a videoclip?

3-And to say that it's the best zombie movie is plain blasfemy. What about "Shaun of the Dead"? "Return of the Living Dead", "Lucio Fulci's Zombie" or "28 Days Later"?

If the zombies were slow? Hell yes you could out run a millon of them.

If you think the acting in Dawn was good, look where their careers went. Nowhere, except maybe Ken Foree. They made Keanu Reeves look like Lance Henriksen.

I hate Lucio Fulci's movies. They are Trash. Dawn 04 is my favourite, bubbling under is 28 Days Later and Shaun of the Dead and Land of the Dead.


Old school zombies look more realistic? I dunno, I just don't see slapping blue paint on people as realistic looking zombies, or the blue man group would scare the **** out of people whever they went.

 

[thealiasman2000]

1-You seriously believe the Dawn remake was better than Romero's original trilogy AND Fulci's zombie movies AND "Shaun of the Dead" AND "8 DAys Later"?

And you think Fulci is trash?

Then you have no right calling ME stupid.

2-It's not just blue paint, it's make up and fx done by the great Tom Savini.

Unless Rick Baker or Stan Winston did the fx for the Dawn remake, I don't see how can anyone be better.

3-Are you telling me that, if your entire country was overrun by zombies, you could outrun ALL of them?

And where, may I ask, would you run to?

 

[Horrorfan]

1-You seriously believe the Dawn remake was better than Romero's original trilogy AND Fulci's zombie movies AND "Shaun of the Dead" AND "8 DAys Later"?

And you think Fulci is trash?

Then you have no right calling ME stupid.

2-It's not just blue paint, it's make up and fx done by the great Tom Savini.

Unless Rick Baker or Stan Winston did the fx for the Dawn remake, I don't see how can anyone be better.

3-Are you telling me that, if your entire country was overrun by zombies, you could outrun ALL of them?

And where, may I ask, would you run to?

Italian horror movies have NO plot, ****ty dialogue, ****ty acting and ****ty effects....what's so great about that then?

I would run to a boat and get to an oil rig, or go to a remote island with no one there. And they wouldn't run after me, so I'd have it pretty easy

 

[Flexo]

Now, I'll admit the make-up for Dawn was so-so for the most part, but look at Roger or Flyboy. That stuff was amazing! And if you're looking for the ultimate zombie, look at Bub.

 

[Hype Police]

The original Dawn of the Dead was better than the remake in EVERY WAY. You're an idiot if you think otherwise. And Slither was one of the greatest movies i've ever seen. It was perfect. Anyone with a pair of balls owes it to themselves to see the movie.

 

[Horrorfan]

. You're an idiot if you think otherwise. .

I guess I'm an idiot then


Bub rocked. I loved Land of the Dead, but he made the zombies TOO sympathetic, and seemed to forget they still eat people.

 

[Flexo]

I would just like to comment that slow moving zombies are great for horror, when used correctly. For example; the original Dawn of the Dead when Roger was hotwiring the truck. You know the zombies are coming, he doesn't. It built a wonderful amount of tension and created one of those moments when you're screaming at your TV, "LOOK BEHIND YOU! It's right friggin' there! LOOK!"

Also, using slower zombies allows time for some slower, more quiet scenes that allow a person to calm down and get ready for the next set of scares. (Something the Evil Dead movies always did great.)

 

[Flexo]

I guess I'm an idiot then


Bub rocked. I loved Land of the Dead, but he made the zombies TOO sympathetic, and seemed to forget they still eat people.

Well, the zombies weren't doing anything to deserve the attack. If you poke a viper with a stick, you deserve to get bit on the nose.

I think Land was pretty nifty in its notion that zombies would change and act more like humans. It emphasized the point that humans are often the real monsters.

 

[Zilleraut #66]

Honestly? You're the only person I have seen who didn't like it.More brutal honesty: I think it's better than the original.I in no way mean to disrespect George, and I sure as hell aren't taking away it's impact on the genre; it definitly was the more groundbreaking of the two movies. It is well made and a good film.....BUT (and here is the but) it has dated, horribly, and the acting is wooden as hell. I didn't care who lived or died in the movie since everyone was pretty much as animated as the store maniquinns.The more groundbreaking of the two films is Romero's, no doubt...but the better acted, more fun to watch and simply more tense movie? 04, if you are being honest with yourself.

Make it two. It was nothing more than an action flic. To a degree it wasn't bad but when a movie labels itself "Dawn of the Dead" a person expects alot more.

As for running zombies, I don't really mind them but a zombies mobility should be due to freshness.

 

[Horrorfan]

Well, the zombies weren't doing anything to deserve the attack. If you poke a viper with a stick, you deserve to get bit on the nose.

I think Land was pretty nifty in its notion that zombies would change and act more like humans. It emphasized the point that humans are often the real monsters.

I guess I just thought it takes away the horror to huminise them. Bub was different...he was trained, like a dog would be.

And I don't care how crappy some humans are, I would much rather take my chances teaming up with Cholo than going out and shaking hands with the zombies. They slaughted tonnes of innocent people.....

The zombies weren't doing anything to deserve being attacked....except ganging up on any humans they could find and devouring them in an incredibly painful way ( I would imagine). It's survival, not live and let live and everyone will be happy.

 

[Flexo]

I guess I just thought it takes away the horror to huminise them. Bub was different...he was trained, like a dog would be.

And I don't care how crappy some humans are, I would much rather take my chances teaming up with Cholo than going out and shaking hands with the zombies. They slaughted tonnes of innocent people.....

The zombies weren't doing anything to deserve being attacked....except ganging up on any humans they could find and devouring them in an incredibly painful way ( I would imagine). It's survival, not live and let live and everyone will be happy.

If the people had stayed out of the zombie towns the zombies wouldn't have come after the people. At the very least, if they hadn't shot zombies for fun just before leaving, there wouldn't have been a problem.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

How this fun monster flick flopped at the box office and that p.o.s silent hill hit 1 I will never know...

It hit the UK a week ago and I just saw it.


Brilliant. My favourite horror film since Dawn 04. Gunn is the guy Eli Roth wishes he was. Funny and horrific in equal measure, it is a hell of a lot of fun. A great and game cast, especially Fillion, the leading lady and her husband. You feel for him as he turns into a monster yet who still loves his wife, and her since she didn't marry him purely out of being a gold digger. It's a good relationship even as it disintegrates there is some sort of bond.

On another board a long time ago I posted a speculative post on the Thing's origin, and speculated that the Thing was actually a living virus which took over planets by absortion. And that's what this basically is, and I was at one point thinking of making a zombie movie where the zombies are caused by parasites. this is the second horror idea I have had that's been made into a movie (other being Skinwalkers), so that is disheartening, but at the same time at least it makes me sure I have decent ideas now and again. Im not *****ing though especially when it come out this good, its just one of those things I know others here can understand. Just got to sit down and write the full script in future

Also two AWESOME horror references I caught: a shop called R J MACREADY, and a score lifted from Predator as they go hunt the creature in the forrest! I loved that.

I smell a sequel, too hopefully....he had sex with her shortly after becoming infected, and the origin made clear that he can implant embros by making his victims pregnant. Hmm...

fantastic fun though.

I liked Silent Hill and very much doubt that Slither was a good movie.