just watched gangstar no. 1

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  1. misteranderson4 Registered

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    and paul bettany should be the only choice for the joker hands down. its sad he s out of the running now....supposedly
     
  2. explode7 Registered

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    AWW man not this ***** again.
     
  3. L0ngsh0t Registered

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    Gangster No. 1 is "ok" and Paul Bettany would be a cool Joker...but one and only choice? no, Hulme, and Law are just as good
     
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    I would jump for joy if Paul Bettany got the role. I really dont wanna see a known actor in the role (Law, Weaving), but I also find it hard to get behind a complete unknown (Hulme). I find Bettany to be a good middle-ground. Most people dont know who he is, but i've seen enough of him to think he'd be a good candidate. I'm also a huge fan of Weaving, and while I think he'd make an awesome Joker, i'm a little afraid that I might not be able to shake the image of him as Smith. Smith was such an awesome character that stuck in my mind, that it might be hard to accept him as the definitive Joker. Although, on the other hand it would give him the rare distincation of playing 2 of my favorite villains of all time. How cool would that be?
     
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    So did you see Weaving as Smith when you watched the LotR movies too? :p
     
  6. Keyser Sushi Squirrel Baffle

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    I obviously think that Paul Bettany would PWN as the Joker, but before his name came up, I was a big supporter of Jude Law for the role. I think that Jude Law would do a fine job, and I'll take him for Joker any day if it isn't going to be Bettany.

    But Bettany would seriously PWN.
     
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    I am very sad about the recent news I have read from BOF (I have been gone and out of the Bat-loop since Tuesday) and Gangster No. 1 is one of the reasons why I am sad. The performance Bettany gave in Gagnster No.1 was MY personal opinion of how the Joker should be played - just sans humor. He finds joy in killing, he is willing to do anything to pleasure himself, he has no alliances. That is the Joker - if he is not cast for the role, it will simply be a shame. IMO Bettany is a much better actor than either Hulme or Jude Law, I would not be upset with Rockwell nor Hugo Weaving - but they are no Paul Bettany.
     
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    mmm i disagree with you on most of the fronts you have put up except for the fact that bettany in gangster no.1 should be an example of what the joker should bring to the table

    Bettany isn't better then Law as an actor, you've seen one movie from him, that's why you want him for the role i get it, but Law has been in talented mr. ripley, i heart huckabees, enemy at the gates, he was fantastic in closer, cold mountian, road to perdition, aviator, and has been a lead actor in most of those fine films, they wouldn't cast him in such stout films as those is he wasn't a good actor

    Paul bettany has been in some ok movies, but mainly bit/supporting characters in them

    now i could give Bettany the benifit of the doubt because he is british and it is tought for british actors generally to break the fold into american film...but Jude Law is british, they where both born about the same area of england (so law wasn't just some brit born in america) and Jude Law is younger too, and bettany has been acting longer, so if Bettany was the better actor, and they are from the same part of town across the sea, are both british, and are both considered good looking, then how come jude law has been a lead actor in so many fine acclaimed movies? because he is simpley a better actor

    yeah bettany is good, not to his discredit, but jude law is just better, Huckabees he rules, closer he rules, road to perdition dynamite, he is a very diverse actor, who can do very diverse roles, and can be a fantastic joker
     
  9. Keyser Sushi Squirrel Baffle

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    That sure is a long way to say nothing at all.
     
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    Dont make accusations without knowing the facts, sir. I have seen Bettany in many films, Firewall, Ganster No. 1, Wimbledon, Dogville. I am impressed with him more and more, I knew nothing about Mr. Bettany before his name was mentioned for the Joker role, now he is one of my favorite actors ever - infact just behind Michael Caine. I have seen Law been good in a few movies - however...less than good in others.

    He was the main character in Wimbledon and Gangster No. 1 and he was great in both of them. It does not matter the size of the role, he always does a fantastic job - he is one of the top young actors (along with Bale) in Hollywood right now.

    Jude Law is a "sexier actor" - and I dont say that because of looks. He has done more blockbuster films while Bettany has gone for some lesser known works. Bettany passed on the role of the villian in Red Dragon in exchange for a lesser known film. Law is not necessarily in more critically acclaimed films, simply more known films. Riddle me this, who is the better actor, Ben Affleck or Hugo Weaving? Who is better known?

    I simply disagree, Bettany's portfolio is one of the most diverse filmography's I have seen.
     
  11. L0ngsh0t Registered

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    i disagree

    it's a long way of saying that jude law is a better actor then paul bettany, that's what that is..
     
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    Well, what can I say. I am Bettany's Number One Guy.
     
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    you couldn't be more wrong on a tone of fronts...

    for one, firewall was not very good, bettany was ok in it, same with gangster no. 1, wimbeldon was terrible, didn't see dogville, i was more speaking to the Master and commander stuff that he did, where he was just a bit/supporting role in a tone of movie that needed british actors...and is ok in it..

    Jude law is younger then paul bettany is, and that is a written in number fact, so what ever you say about bettany being an up and coming actor, jude law is younger, and isn't up and coming, he is already established as a fine actor

    see but passing on the villan in red dragon, that still isn't a lead role, Bettany has lead in very few big time, good movies, where as jude law has lead in tones, and done magnificently in them

    what is the better movie Edward nigma? Enemy at the gates, or wimbledon? I heart huckabees, or firewall? jude law is in the aviator, the talented mr. riply...i already went through the list, but these aren't just your run of the mill summer blockbusters he is doing, he is making, and starring in highley regarded films

    jude law is just simply better...

    in hollywood you don't "choose" to make lesser known flicks until you are to big where you have to to keep street cred...you make lesser known flicks because that is what hollywood thinks of you, and you try to do a preformence that lifts you over the top into the big time

    jude law did it in 99 with Mr. Riply, and Bettany hasn't really done it yet althoughhe is in Da Vinci code though, which is going to be tight as hell,

    and again, i don't hate bettany, i like him, he does good in the movies he is in, and i think he would be a fine joker, maybe better then law...but he is not a better actor at this point in both of there careers, he's just not
     
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    Not really.

    See, you said a lot of reasons why you think Jude Law is better than Bettany, but none of what you said proves a damn thing.

    Bettany hasn't had as many starring roles as Jude Law.

    Big hairy deal.
     
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    I enjoyed Firewall - it was not a fantastic movie though Bettany did do a great job in it. He was absoultly creepy when he dealt with the kid. Gangster No. 1 was a great movie, and Bettany was unbelievable in it. Wimbledon was very enjoyable and one of my favorite Romantic Comedies. Bettany showed his range in that role and did a great job - compare it to Gangster No. 1 and you see the guy has talent.

    Jude Law is an established actor yes, however age means nothing. Dakota Fanning is an established actor - and she is what 6?

    For one it is TONS not TONES! The number of lead roles is not that important - look at Christian Bale.

    You can not compare the quality of an actor to another can by comparing movies between the two - there are to many variables. Only a fool would try.

    Wow, so insitefull.

    You dont? Seemed like Bettany did.

    Again, I disagree.
     
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    stormin i thought we would never see u again after recent BOF news:eek:

    i also want bettany to be the joker, maybe not as desperatly as you, but he is definitely the best guy for the job.

    i hope there is some kind of U turn. although jett has stated the source is very reliable.

    i would say that if either of hulme's films are a hit, then he is a lock for the joker.
     
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    yeah you don't choose to be in lesser known movies, you are in lesser known movies, Bettany wouldn't turn down the joker would he? no, because only a fool would, Red Dragon wouldn't of helped his career because it is another creepy british guy he would have played...

    paul giamatti is one of the finest actors on the planet but he had to suffer for years on films like big mommas house and paycheck till he finally broke loose with sideways...you don't choose your roles in hollywood, hollywood chooses you

    and i'm not comparing movies that they where in, i am comparing performances...Jude Law is down right brilliant in Closer, and Huckabees, and has given some top notch performances in stuff like Ripley. Aviator, Enemy at the Gates, and the list goes on...the list goes on...bettany's doesnt, it goes like 4 movies deep, and he has only lead in a few

    now you say look at the range between two movies that bettany did to show his range....look at the range jude law did in One movie...one movie...I heart huckabees he goes from brad stand your everyday ho hum corperate exec. who loves haveing a good time and does everything he can to get to the top, and loves his life....in the end of the movie, his whole life goes to ****, he is found to be a fake, his grilfriend leaves him, and he comes to grips with reality...to totally different characters in 1 movie

    firewall bettany does a good job of being creepy, sure, ok....Closer, jude law plays this obssessive adulteror, who cheats on his grilfriend when ever he can, he is addicted to it, but can't let his girl go anywhere with out him, and can't let her leave, he sees this other girl on the side and ruins her marrage to, but stalks her for weeks because he can't get enough of her...he plays sad and creepy all most flawlessly in this pic

    just here...take a course somewhere on how to critque acting, and then watch jude law, and then you will see what you are missing, i can say all i want but untill you know what you are doing i can't expect you to see behind the Manips, and Fan art, and how "insane" bettany is, because the one thing bettany lacks in that movie that makes the role only "ok" is he dosen't know, he dosen't listen, he dosen't take in what his screen partners are saying, he knows what they are saying, but it dosen't affect him, his reaction shots are terrible, and im rambling about stuff most of you probobly don't care because you don't know..whatever...your fans, i can't blame you
     
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    I love the fact I have gained such a reputation, it is an honor mate, an honor. I love my title as Bettany's Number One Guy.

    To this new bit of BOF news I simply jam my fingers in my ears and say "I CANT HEAR YOU" very loudly, it works.
     
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    StorminNorman, i would just like to say i am sorry for dissing your choice in actor for the joker, it's just childish for ether of us to continue this debate because i am not going to convine you on Law, and your not going to convince me on(at least the acting part of bettany, i stil think he would be a ok joker)
    i have no reason to be *****ing about it because my actor at least made the BOF report, your didn't i feel ya, my guys(any of them; please not schreiber lol) probobly won't get Two-face...it happens
     
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    Or maybe he enjoyed the skript more of another movie that wasnt as well known or highly paid.

    So? That was one man's decision, not all Hollywood actors agree. The fact is that Bettany turned down a bigger profile, higher paying role in exchange for a smaller movie (Dogville).

    Gangster No. 1, Beautiful Mind, Master and Commander, Wimbledon, Dogville, Firewall, A Knights Tale - those were all good performances.

    I think going from complete lunitic psyco from Gangster No. 1 to charming tennis playing, hero in Wimbledon is great range.

    I have not seen the flick, so I can not make a valid comment on this.

    His character was the one that didnt listen, wasnt effected, didnt have great reaction - he was suppose to play an inhuman monster who had no feelings, had no care about anybody outside of himself. He was a disgusting character that Bettany played so well that I even hated him while watching the movie - me with all my bias FOR Paul Bettany found myself hating the guy because of his performance as Young Gangster, that shows great talent.
     
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    lol, for one learn the English language and two - how much more childish can you get than that line right there?
     
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    I Hate Jude Law!! He Sux!!!!
     
  23. Keyser Sushi Squirrel Baffle

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    Ah, L0ngsh0t... you totally ignored my response to you? Why couldn't you handle being charged with having said nothing?

    Nobody's trying to convince you to see things our way, we're just pointing out that what you've said his little or no merit.
     
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    To be honest, I kinda did. Especially when he was talking about the era of Humans being over or something (been a while since I watched them), and basically dissing humans. Part of me expected to see him pull out sunglasses and a Desert Eagle.

    But still, I wouldn't complain if Weaving got the role. He's a great actor, and as long as he absorbs himself into the role and really BECOMES the Joker, i'll probably love it. the only other problem I would have is that it rules out him as Sinestro in a Green Lantern movie. He would own that role.
     
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    L0ngsh0t may I introduce you to our good friend, "logic"? :o

    What a maroon.
     

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