Justice League Justice League Box Office Prediction - Part 2

[Tacit Ronin]

I knew they were lowballing it. Justice League vs Avengers weekend fight is still on baby.

 

[Iceman]

Aquaman and The Flash are. I’d say they’re more known than most of the characters Marvel Studios had when they started.

Oh right, good to know.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Who would've thought in the 90's that the X-men and the Justice League would be small time, while the Avengers, a C list team, and GOTG (did they even exist in the 90's) would dominate?

History has a sense of humor.

 

[Docker2.0]

I wonder how Andre on Youtube is taking this? Dude probably is about to become an active shooter at this point. Dude was that obsessive with DC.

 

[KalvinEllis]

No, fourth grader material is eating whatever WB decides to poop out just because it has characters that look like the characters you love. Especially eating it before you've actually seen the thing.

Not wanting a movie franchise to fail miserably like you seem to do, means I eat whatever they throw at me? How long have I been yelling on this forum about the idiots booting Hal Jordan from Justice League, or that I couldn't care less about SS, or that I found BvS to be a mediocre film at best? Does that sound like I'm eating everything up? I constantly wish for improvement because there are salvageable things about the DCEU, despite all of its problems. Going around to not only gloat that a DCEU movie does bad numbers, but actually want the franchise fail this badly is indeed kid stuff.

 

[DeadlyDiarrhea]

From what I gathered, it seems like many directors were reluctant to take on a Superman project.

So here's the question(s). Is there something about Superman that makes him a difficult character for directors to want to make a movie about? Did Wonder Woman also experience similar such difficulties in getting directors who want to do a film about her prior to Patty? If not, then why so?

I'm asking this because I'm not familiar enough with the comics to have in-depth knowledge about these characters, having only gotten into DCEU recently (thanks WW).

 

[MbJ]

The funny thing is as bad as the enforced runtime hurt the movie, the entire up and down history of the DCEU is almost a textbook case of why sometimes you need to step in and put limitations on your artists. There are so many decisions in Man of Steel and Batman v. Superman where someone up top should have really said "No, Zack, we're not letting you do that" and yet they didn't.

So here's the question(s). Is there something about Superman that makes him a difficult character for directors to want to make a movie about? Did Wonder Woman also experience similar such difficulties in getting directors who want to do a film about her prior to Patty? If not, then why?

Wonder Woman has had a lot of people interested in her over the years, actually. Aside from Whedon, the director of Drive was pushing really hard to make the movie for a while.

The difference was WB didn't want to do a Wonder Woman movie because until recently, there was a stupid presumption that there wasn't an audience for female superhero movies.

 

[Juan1193]

If that box office rings true, and it’s looking very possible. You can kiss the DCEU goodbye.

Ironic that the loyalty shown to Snyder by his fans will be one of the causes of the eventual death of the entire thing.

The DCEU isn't going anywhere, especially since Aquaman is in post production, Shazam starts filming in February and WW2 has a confirmed release date (and production start date). Solo movies are the future of the DCEU for now it seems, though SS2 is rumored to start production next year too.

What you can possibly say goodbye to is a JL sequel, a Batfleck solo film, a Cyborg solo film, and likely Flashpoint (unless they use it to reboot Batman).

 

[JtheDreamer]

So that something better and new can rise from it's stupid ashes. I'm a DC fan. I don't give a f*** about Snyder or WB. Both have ultimately been nothing but poison for DC.

There have been some good elements but over all, with how underwhelmed I was with JL I've come to the conclusion that all this has led to is massive damage to the DC brand.

I was walking to lunch with a colleague today, I took her to see WW sime time ago and we both loved it. As we were going to lunch today we passed the local cinema with a huge JL banner. I could see her looking up at it feom the corner of my eye and almost non-verbally trying to nudge me on to invite her to see it since it had Wonder Woman again and I never told her I already went by myself during opening night.

All I could do was look at the ground and avoid eye contact, hoping we would pass the banner soon and she would stop trying to get me to look up and take notice of the banner.

I wanted to spare myself the embarrassment of us both walking out of a movie we had high hopes for but ended up being ***t.

Embarrassed to look up at a JL movie poster.

"My Soul, WB, that is what you have taken from ME!"

I'm only gonna see it to judge for myself even though I pretty much suspected all that's wrong for a long time.

I can't get a single person to go see it with me though. My go-to is usually my sister and her boyfriend, but they're like nah - we're good.

 

[jmc]

The DCEU isn't going anywhere, especially since Aquaman is in post production, Shazam starts filming in February and WW2 has a confirmed release date (and production start date). Solo movies are the future of the DCEU for now it seems, though SS2 is rumored to start production next year too.

What you can possibly say goodbye to is a JL sequel, a Batfleck solo film, a Cyborg solo film, and likely Flashpoint (unless they use it to reboot Batman).

I don't see the point in calling it the DCU any longer if that's the case. There's not going to be a JL 2, Affleck is gone, Cavil probably isn't going to survive, and Flash isn't guaranteed to get a solo film.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

Not wanting a movie franchise to fail miserably like you seem to do, means I eat whatever they throw at me? How long have I been yelling on this forum that they booted Hal Jordan from Justice League, or that I couldn't care less about SS, or that I found BvS to be a mediocre film at best? Does that sound like I'm eating everything up? I constantly wish for improvement because there are salvageable things about the DCEU, despite all of its problems. Going around to not only gloat that a DCEU movie does bad numbers, but actually want the franchise fail this badly is indeed kid stuff.

Look man, I want this to be done right or not at all cause what's the point otherwise?

It hasn't been done right. And then you get all these stories of a Gotham City Sirens movie, Harley and Joker movie, solo Elseworld Joker movie, Batgirl movie and you realize that WB is just attempting whatever at this point. They can't even get a movie with most of their heavy hitters right.

I'm not just gonna love all of it just because they're adaptations of characters I love.

 

[Raiden]

The funny thing is as bad as the enforced runtime hurt the movie, the entire up and down history of the DCEU is almost a textbook case of why sometimes you need to step in and put limitations on your artists. There are so many decisions in Man of Steel and Batman v. Superman where someone up top should have really said "No, Zack, we're not letting you do that" and yet they didn't.

That because WB had came out and declared that they're very director-friendly and they let the directors to put their own stamp in the movies. You can't really rein in Snyder after you made that comment.

I think JL's failure at the BO proves that you need to develop a brand with the GA so they can become loyal to your products. Marvel cultivated it for a decade and it is why they were able to create hits from lesser properties such as Ant-Man, GOTG, and Dr. Strange. On the other hand, WB has mostly only pushed their three most well-known heroes and rushed into a Justice League movie, believing that their characters are well known enough and don't need build up, and even after the very badly-received BvS movie. Numbers don't lied; WB has miscalculated and they will pay dearly for it.

 

[Kanon]

I don't see the point in calling it the DCU any longer if that's the case. There's not going to be a JL 2, Affleck is gone, Cavil probably isn't going to survive, and Flash isn't guaranteed to get a solo film.

Flash is doing Flashpoint, is the perfect oportunity to soft reboot everything, and recast. I think that movie is the one with the strongest chances, besides WW 2, to get made right now.

 

[Tony Gunk]

The DCEU isn't going anywhere, especially since Aquaman is in post production, Shazam starts filming in February and WW2 has a confirmed release date (and production start date). Solo movies are the future of the DCEU for now it seems, though SS2 is rumored to start production next year too.

What you can possibly say goodbye to is a JL sequel, a Batfleck solo film, a Cyborg solo film, and likely Flashpoint (unless they use it to reboot Batman).

Errr, that IS the end of the DCEU mate.

 

[jmc]

Flash is doing Flashpoint, is the perfect oportunity to soft reboot everything, and recast. I think that movie is the one with the strongest chances, besides WW 2, to get made right now.

I actually doubt that movie even sees the light of day now.

 

[Raiden]

Flash is doing Flashpoint, is the perfect oportunity to soft reboot everything, and recast. I think that movie is the one with the strongest chances, besides WW 2, to get made right now.

Making a Flashpoint movie is WB essentially waving the white flag and admit that they've made a mistake. It's the same with Fox when they made First Class after the disastrous X3 and XMO: Wolverine.

 

[Juan1193]

I don't see the point in calling it the DCU any longer if that's the case. There's not going to be a JL 2, Affleck is gone, Cavil probably isn't going to survive, and Flash isn't guaranteed to get a solo film.

I don't see Cavil going anywhere. Superman seems to have gotten a lot of praise in JL so I can see MOS2 finally happening. Build up the heroes (and villains) in solo movies before trying a big team up again.

Could you imagine a JL2 after getting well received Aquaman, Shazam, Wonder Woman (well another in Diana's case) and Superman films, plus a rebooted Batman. That would seem like an event to me.

 

[brandeezy89]

There's too much risk to do Flashpoint imo especially if you get it wrong then you're already off on the wrong foot after the reboot. Just string together successful solo movies for 5+ years then go back to the team-up movie.

 

[Powerman34]

Shazam is even safe as well and that has the benefit of being a New Line film

It would be great if New Line would have its own cinematic universe with Shazam and maybe the Fawcett comic characters. Maybe not so sci fi based and more based in magic.

 

[KalvinEllis]

Look man, I want this to be done right or not at all cause what's the point otherwise?

It hasn't been done right. And then you get all these stories of a Gotham City Sirens movie, Harley and Joker movie, solo Elseworld Joker movie, Batgirl movie and you realize that WB is just attempting whatever at this point.

I'm not just gonna love all of it because they're adaptations of characters I love.

Well, from what I've seen on this forum, pretty much none of us seems to love "everything", but I don't see many people here wishing for a DCEU failure either, which is probably why your comment caught me off guard. In any event, I'm seeing it on Tuesday and if I don't like it then I don't like it. I'd just move on with my life.

 

[psylockolussus]

Aquaman and The Flash are. I’d say they’re more known than most of the characters Marvel Studios had when they started.

Yup.

Cyborg though remains random to me.

 

[king666]

WB tried to make a straightforward Justice League movie and they failed miserably. They're clearly not competent enough to make a good Flashpoint movie and they're probably aware of that.

 

[Juan1193]

It would be great if New Line would have its own cinematic universe with Shazam and maybe the Fawcett comic characters. Maybe not so sci fi based and more based in magic.

Isn't New Line also working on a Booster Gold film that involves Blue Beetle (Kord and Reyes)? Or am I just remembering things wrong?

 

[jmc]

I don't see Cavil going anywhere. Superman seems to have gotten a lot of praise in JL so I can see MOS2 finally happening. Build up the heroes (and villains) in solo movies before trying a big team up again.

Could you imagine a JL2 after getting well received Aquaman, Shazam, Wonder Woman (well another in Diana's case) and Superman films, plus a rebooted Batman. That would seem like an event to me.

Mate, the audience has flat out rejected JL. There's not going to be a JL 2 after this.

 

[KaijuDude1992]

Didn't Warner Bros state that they were waiting to see how JL did before they announce a Flashpoint movie? If that's true than after seeing these OW numbers it's likely not going to happen, but they have to reboot this franchise some kind of way. Affleck is obviously on his way out and all this talk about Matt Reeves wanting Jake Gyllenhaal for his solo Batman movie only makes sense if they start from scratch again.