Justice League Justice League Box Office Prediction - Part 2

[MahvelBaby!]

Thing is ... Aquaman is finished, how can you hard reboot now and just take that loss? Unless you're going to keep Jason Momoa and pretend he is a new rebooted aquaman?

 

[Mysteryman]

So if I'm interpreting you right, the lack of Superman movies (until MOS) can be attributed to director reluctance, while the lack of Wonder Woman movies
(until 2017 WW) can be attributed to studio reluctance? Am I reading that right?

If so, then what makes Superman a difficult character to make a movie about versus Wonder Woman? Personally I like Wonder Woman better, but I may be biased by the success of DCEU Wonder Woman (one of the few successes of this universe).

I actually think that a lot of the problems with adapting Diana had to do with her original origin story.
It was quite convoluted.

 

[jmc]

Thing is ... Aquaman is finished, how can you hard reboot now and just take that loss? Unless you're going to keep Jason Momoa and pretend he is a new rebooted aquaman?

More like just pretend everything else didn't happen.

 

[Willi Berg]

Finish the Wonder Woman and Superman trilogies, give Batman a solo wih a new actor, give Aquaman and Shazam their sequels (assuming they do just as good as Wonder Woman)... Then presto JL2 teaming them up again, only this time with a few years of build up.

Sounds like a good way to go. Just focus on those solos.

Superman is essentially seen as the superhero archetype.

The boyscout who saves lives, asks for nothing in return, and believes in the good of humanity more than anything else.

That is the mainstream perception of him for the most part.

There have been good stories in comics where he does have internal conflicts and his moral code is tested but before all of that you have to get the foundation for his character right for those internal conflicts to actually have meaning.

Portraying Superman properly in movies can be a balancing act as if not written properly it is very easy for him to be seen as boring by audiences. He can look too unrelatable or too "perfect".

It'd be nice if he interacted more with humanity, is the thing

 

[Zarex]

A Flashpoint movie makes some sense as a soft reboot, but putting that story on-screen would be awfully pricey. It doesn't appear as though the JL BO would justify that kind of expenditure for what would be the follow up.

 

[MadVillainy]

Yeah I don't think Flashpoint will happen

 

[The_Root]

A Flashpoint movie makes some sense as a soft reboot, but putting that story on-screen would be awfully pricey. It doesn't appear as though the JL BO would justify that kind of expenditure for what would be the follow up.

Exactly. This is the same reason we'll never get another Cavill Superman solo.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

No way that latest estimate pans out ...no way...

 

[Question]

Exactly. This is the same reason we'll never get another Cavill Superman solo.

By that logic, the WW solo would never have happened. WW was rightly seen as one of the saving graces of BvS, and Superman is now seen as one of the best parts about JL. Regardless of the movies surrounding them, there is a lot of good buzz around Superman now like there was around Wonder Woman. I wouldn't write off another Cavill solo just yet.

 

[Romannen]

Snyder wasn't first choice. He was like fifth or sixth. There were a bunch of other directors who didn't want to touch Superman.

Really? I didn't know that.

 

[Flemm]

A solo Flash film should be an easy win. He's a popular character right now in the comics, he has a successful tv show. But they might need to do something smaller scale. Johns probably wanted to do Flashpoint, which is a story he originally wrote, but I agree that it might be hard to proceed with that at this point. We'll see.

As for Aquaman, I would be surprised if it is a big hit, but it doesn't really need to be, especially if they have kept costs to a reasonable level. Positive reviews and respectable box office would be enough for an Aquaman movie.

 

[xenos5]

It'd be nice if he interacted more with humanity, is the thing

People who only have a surface level knowledge about Superman tend to think that he's unrelatable or too perfect.

Snyder took the completely wrong idea on how to change that perception with his version of Superman and just completely strayed from the core of the character. Having Jonathan kent respond maybe to Clark asking if he should've just let a bus full of kids die, having adult Clark destroy a guys truck out of petty spite, and having him kill Zod when there were multiple ways out of that situation that didn't require killing.

None of that makes Superman more relatable, even. They aren't "endearing character flaws". And its even more undercut by the weird blatant jesus imagery Snydery tries to push.

If you're going to give Superman flaws for a movie incarnation they need to be the right kind of flaws. Maybe have there be a few negative impacts for his altruism like him trying to save people too often that he neglects his personal life.

 

[MadVillainy]

A solo Flash film should be an easy win. He's a popular character right now in the comics, he has a successful tv show. But they might need to do something smaller scale.

As for Aquaman, I would be surprised if it is a big hit, but it doesn't really need to be, especially if they have kept costs to a reasonable level. Positive reviews and respectable box office would be enough for an Aquaman movie.

It takes place in the lost city of Atlantis. I doubt the budget is "reasonable"

 

[Question]

It takes place in the lost city of Atlantis. I doubt the budget is "reasonable"

Per set leaks, a lot of the action is going to be above land which should mitigate the cost. It will probably cost more then WW but nowhere near BvS or JL.

 

[Flemm]

It takes place in the lost city of Atlantis. I doubt the budget is "reasonable"

Well, I can't be sure, but they have talked about practical effects and not going overboard with the costs. Wonder Woman had a reasonable budget (149M).

So it is just a question of how they manage the effects sequences. It can be done. Suicide Squad was quite CGI-heavy, with a 175M budget.

 

[Kanon]

The next big update on box office is normally on saturday morning, right?

 

[eren]

DCEU IS DOING FINE.

MAN of Steel did greats than almost all superhero solo origins even sequels despite of mix reviews.

BATVSUP bad reviews still gets to 877M 133M shy of 1B with terrible reviews from the one sided RT critics.

Suicide Squad bad reviews from mcu loving critics still gets 745M without china again beating most mcu more known heroes and their sequels. SS could have gone big in china like more than $120M big as it did exceptional well throughout asia.

WW great reviews and you look what happened. WW destroyed all superhero origins films and even most superhero sequels. Now imagine future dceu films gets more positive ratings from the so called critics. Just 5 dceu movies all massive in the boxoffice with "bad" reviews imagine that and they are 10 movies behind mcu. lots of chances of good things to come in the future as long as they won't flop. I'm talking about actual flop here like wonder woman 2 doing only less than $400M world wide, or justice league 2 only doing $650M world wide.

JL? I think it could still top $900M and hopefully a $1B. That's still a lot of money even though they cannot match the avengers numbers it still fine because they still 11 movies behind. Still making that amount of money with bad critics review and with just few movies out means they are still in positive business. Millions of GA and fans likes these dceu films except these few 100 critics. As long as no future dceu movie will flop hard like less than $400 million (for solo films) worldwide bad then they are still good to go.

SS has like 7M likes in facebook for a bad movie while gotg with 2 movies out with high praise rating cant even crack 4m likes. that means so much more than what this a few hundred critics would say. Even batvsup a "rotten" bad movie according to critics and haters has 5M likes in facebook.'

 

[MadVillainy]

Well, I can't be sure, but they have talked about practical effects and not going overboard with the costs. Wonder Woman had a reasonable budget (149M).

So it is just a question of how they manage the effects sequences and other costs. It can be done. Suicide Squad was quite CGI-heavy, with a 175M budget.

practical effects are expensive too.

 

[MadVillainy]

DCEU IS DOING FINE.

MAN of Steel did greats than almost all superhero solo origins even sequels despite of mix reviews.

BATVSUP bad reviews still gets to 877M 133M shy of 1B with terrible reviews from the one sided RT critics.

Suicide Squad bad reviews from mcu loving critics still gets 745M without china again beating most mcu more known heroes and their sequels. SS could have gone big in china like more than $120M big as it did exceptional well throughout asia.

WW great reviews and you look what happened. WW destroyed all superhero origins films and even most superhero sequels.

JL? I think it could still top $900M and hopefully a $1B. That's still a lot of money even though they cannot match the avengers numbers it still fine because they still 11 movies behind. Still making that amount of money with bad critics review and with just few movies out means they are still in positive business. Millions of GA and fans likes these dceu films except these few 100 critics. As long as no dceu movie will flop like less than $500 million worldwide bad then they are still good to go.

whose mans is this?

 

[MahvelBaby!]

whose mans is this?

You made me laugh lololol

 

[ultradog]

DCEU IS DOING FINE.

MAN of Steel did greats than almost all superhero solo origins even sequels despite of mix reviews.

BATVSUP bad reviews still gets to 877M 133M shy of 1B with terrible reviews from the one sided RT critics.

Suicide Squad bad reviews from mcu loving critics still gets 745M without china again beating most mcu more known heroes and their sequels. SS could have gone big in china like more than $120M big as it did exceptional well throughout asia.

WW great reviews and you look what happened. WW destroyed all superhero origins films and even most superhero sequels.

JL? I think it could still top $900M and hopefully a $1B. That's still a lot of money even though they cannot match the avengers numbers it still fine because they still 11 movies behind. Still making that amount of money with bad critics review and with just few movies out means they are still in positive business. Millions of GA and fans likes these dceu films except these few 100 critics. As long as no dceu movie will flop like less than $500 million worldwide bad then they are still good to go.

SS has like 7M likes in facebook for a bad movie while gotg with 2 movies out with high praise rating cant even crack 4m likes. that means so much more than what this a few hundred critics would say. Even batvsup a "rotten" bad movie according to critics and haters has 5M likes in facebook.

Admirable! You're going down with the ship, no matter what.

 

[iham32]

DCEU IS DOING FINE.

MAN of Steel did greats than almost all superhero solo origins even sequels despite of mix reviews.

BATVSUP bad reviews still gets to 877M 133M shy of 1B with terrible reviews from the one sided RT critics.

Suicide Squad bad reviews from mcu loving critics still gets 745M without china again beating most mcu more known heroes and their sequels. SS could have gone big in china like more than $120M big as it did exceptional well throughout asia.

WW great reviews and you look what happened. WW destroyed all superhero origins films and even most superhero sequels.

JL? I think it could still top $900M and hopefully a $1B. That's still a lot of money even though they cannot match the avengers numbers it still fine because they still 11 movies behind. Still making that amount of money with bad critics review and with just few movies out means they are still in positive business. Millions of GA and fans likes these dceu films except these few 100 critics. As long as no dceu movie will flop like less than $500 million worldwide bad then they are still good to go.

SS has like 7M likes in facebook for a bad movie while gotg with 2 movies out with high praise rating cant even crack 4m likes. that means so much more than what this a few hundred critics would say. Even batvsup a "rotten" bad movie according to critics and haters has 5M likes in facebook.

 

[Silver Surfer]

DCEU IS DOING FINE.

MAN of Steel did greats than almost all superhero solo origins even sequels despite of mix reviews.

BATVSUP bad reviews still gets to 877M 133M shy of 1B with terrible reviews from the one sided RT critics.

Suicide Squad bad reviews from mcu loving critics still gets 745M without china again beating most mcu more known heroes and their sequels. SS could have gone big in china like more than $120M big as it did exceptional well throughout asia.

WW great reviews and you look what happened. WW destroyed all superhero origins films and even most superhero sequels.

JL? I think it could still top $900M and hopefully a $1B. That's still a lot of money even though they cannot match the avengers numbers it still fine because they still 11 movies behind. Still making that amount of money with bad critics review and with just few movies out means they are still in positive business. Millions of GA and fans likes these dceu films except these few 100 critics. As long as no dceu movie will flop like less than $500 million worldwide bad then they are still good to go.

SS has like 7M likes in facebook for a bad movie while gotg with 2 movies out with high praise rating cant even crack 4m likes. that means so much more than what this a few hundred critics would say. Even batvsup a "rotten" bad movie according to critics and haters has 5M likes in facebook.

I think you might be young or something so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and let you know that there is no way, and I mean no way this sniffs 900 million, let alone 1 billion. Heck 800 is wishful thinking at this point. 750 is the dream right now.

 

[Jekecy]

DCEU IS DOING FINE.

MAN of Steel did greats than almost all superhero solo origins even sequels despite of mix reviews.

BATVSUP bad reviews still gets to 877M 133M shy of 1B with terrible reviews from the one sided RT critics.

Suicide Squad bad reviews from mcu loving critics still gets 745M without china again beating most mcu more known heroes and their sequels. SS could have gone big in china like more than $120M big as it did exceptional well throughout asia.

WW great reviews and you look what happened. WW destroyed all superhero origins films and even most superhero sequels. Now imagine future films gets more positive ratings from the so called critics. Just 5 dceu movies all massive in the boxoffice with "bad" reviews imagine that and they are 10 movies behind mcu. lots of chances of good things to come in the future as long as they won't flop. I'm talking about actual flop here like wonder woman 2 doing only less than $400M world wide, or justice league 2 not even cracking $700M world wide.

JL? I think it could still top $900M and hopefully a $1B. That's still a lot of money even though they cannot match the avengers numbers it still fine because they still 11 movies behind. Still making that amount of money with bad critics review and with just few movies out means they are still in positive business. Millions of GA and fans likes these dceu films except these few 100 critics. As long as no dceu movie will flop like less than $500 million worldwide bad then they are still good to go.

SS has like 7M likes in facebook for a bad movie while gotg with 2 movies out with high praise rating cant even crack 4m likes. that means so much more than what this a few hundred critics would say. Even batvsup a "rotten" bad movie according to critics and haters has 5M likes in facebook.

 

[ludovica]

If you're going to give Superman flaws for a movie incarnation they need to be the right kind of flaws. Maybe have there be a few negative impacts for his altruism like him trying to save people too often that he neglects his personal life.

This!