Justice League Justice League Box Office Prediction - Part 5

[Flemm]

I'm struggling to come up with a similar case.

Agreed, though, with the "failing upwards," Peter Principle argument someone made higher in the thread. It's a great example of that.

 

[Matt]

I can understand the reverence for Chris Nolan, because his resume really speaks for itself, but Snyder? I really don't understand why he is lauded as some kind of acclaimed filmmaker.

He's really not. A few of the more obsessive fanboys on this board treat him as such. But I don't think any credible person would opine Snyder is even in the same league as Nolan. In fact, I think in any intellectually honest conversation, it would be hard to place Snyder in a caliber higher than someone like Paul W.S. Anderson.

 

[InCali]

I can understand the reverence for Chris Nolan, because his resume really speaks for itself, but Snyder? I really don't understand why he is lauded as some kind of acclaimed filmmaker.

He obviously appeals to a certain sector of the GA. I don't think he's a particularly gifted movie maker, but he does have some strong points.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

I can understand the reverence for Chris Nolan, because his resume really speaks for itself, but Snyder? I really don't understand why he is lauded as some kind of acclaimed filmmaker.

One positive that gives me hope for the fanbase is that unlike the sharp divide we saw with MoS and more so with BvS this time it looks like fans are somewhat uniting and mostly agreeing that he's a fraud.

Looks like only a few pockets of diehard Snyder fans remain and these people mainly sympathize with the man for losing his daughter, which admittedly was tragic.

 

[DeadlyDiarrhea]

Snyder is fantastic at creating visually spectacular scenes and outstanding action moments, too bad he puts them in mediocre films with convoluted or outright bad storytelling.

Surprisingly, I discovered that some circles seem to strongly disapprove of Nolan's approach; for example, a while back I was speculating on how WW's invisible jet can be implemented in a historical piece as a prototype flying wing stealth aircraft (i.e. YB-35 or B-2) with some fantasy elements mixed in, and certain fans expressed their disdain for such a "Nolanized" vision.

 

[ImSGirl95]

I don't think people gave Feige enough credit for making MCU what it is today. When MCU was started, they had to borrow loans from Merrill Lynch in order to produce their movies, and they hired RDJ (who was almost blacklisted by Hollywood due to his past drug & arrest record & was paid less than Terrance Howard) to become the new face of their franchise. They also had to do without Marvel's most recognizable properties, who were Spider-Man and the X-Men, as the Avengers were more like a B-list team from the Marvel Comics.

Now, after 3 movies that grossed over a billion apiece and each movie is a hit, the MCU is the strongest franchise in Hollywood. And they couldn't have done it without Kevin Feige.

Not only that, but Feige had his hands on the early Marvel properties, like the first X-Men and Spider-Man movies. He saw how different studios/people worked with the comic-book stuff, and he just got the best out of them, and left the worst out. And boom! here's the Feige today, in all his glory.
Didn't knew about the Merrill Lynch loans. Even more impressive from those 10 years ago.

 

[Predator jp]

Didn't knew about the Merrill Lynch loans. Even more impressive from those 10 years ago.

you can read about it here.
How Marvel Risked Everything to Go From Bankruptcy to Billions
http://screencrush.com/marvel-bankruptcy-billions/

 

[RoryTate]

Now that it's finished its second weekend, it looks like this movie has a ceiling of earning around $230M domestic based on my calculations. And it will probably end up lower. That's...not good.

Overseas isn't looking that promising either, though the totals there are bit more uncertain, but something in the low $400M's seems likely.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

He's really not. A few of the more obsessive fanboys on this board treat him as such. But I don't think any credible person would opine Snyder is even in the same league as Nolan. In fact, I think in any intellectually honest conversation, it would be hard to place Snyder in a caliber higher than someone like Paul W.S. Anderson.

Zaddy is the greatest.

 

[BaneandDawn]

Snyder is fantastic at creating visually spectacular scenes and outstanding action moments, too bad he puts them in mediocre films with convoluted or outright bad storytelling.

Snyder have eye for visuals, I give you that, but damn.. I wish he used more practical effects instead of using green screen and overuse CGI so much.

 

[FunkMiller]

Zaddy is the greatest.

 

[Iceman]

Snyder have eye for visuals, I give you that, but damn.. I wish he used more practical effects instead of using green screen and overuse CGI so much.

I don't even think his visuals have been all that great in the DCEU. 300 definitely and also Watchmen, sure. I can't believe the Doomsday we got was a Snyder Doomsday.

 

[Erzengel]

Right. And it should be noted, that it was far more calculated and tempered risk than what Warners did. Feige didn't just jump into a 1 billion dollar team up movie after two semi-flops. He started with smaller risks (Iron Man) and built up to it, producing quality and successful movies. Basically, he put his studio in a position where even if Avengers flopped, he would still have 3 or 4 solo franchises that could hold their own. Its the opposite of what Warners did.

In 2005, the Marvel board approved Maisel's plan and a seven-year, $525 million financing deal with Merrill Lynch was announced that would launch Marvel Studios, an internal production company that would “give Marvel complete creative control” over their films (an agreement was reached with Paramount Pictures who would market and distribute the films).

But, to get that $525 million, Marvel had to put something up as collateral: almost everything they had.

The deal included 10 properties — Captain America, The Avengers, Nick Fury, Black Panther, Ant-Man, Cloak & Dagger, Doctor Strange, Hawkeye, Power Pack, and Shang-Chi — and if the Marvel Studios plan failed, they would lose the rights to every single one of those properties. The bank would own them and the plans for a Marvel Cinematic Universe would be dead.

It may have been calculated, but it was still a huge risk.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Zad man's visuals seemed to have suffered as well. BvS was his least impressive looking movie. Then he topped that with Justice League.

 

[jmc]

Now that it's finished its second weekend, it looks like this movie has a ceiling of earning around $230M domestic based on my calculations. And it will probably end up lower. That's...not good.

Overseas isn't looking that promising either, though the totals there are bit more uncertain, but something in the low $400M's seems likely.

So it's looking likely to finish below MoS.

 

[DeadlyDiarrhea]

And people on DCEU Reddit actually post that unironically...

 

[Samuron]

So it's looking likely to finish below MoS.

Which would put it below Doctor Strange, and about even with The Dark World.

 

[FunkMiller]

It may have been calculated, but it was still a huge risk.

I didn’t know any of that.

Balls. Very large ones.

 

[Erzengel]

Least now we know we are finally going to get that Shang Chi movie in Phase 4. Woo.

 

[FunkMiller]

Least now we know we are finally going to get that Shang Chi movie in Phase 4. Woo.

I myself am waiting for the glorious live action debut of Moon Knight.

 

[Raiden]

It may have been calculated, but it was still a huge risk.

This is the major difference between Marvel and DC, in that Marvel had to be in a survivor's mode from the get go and they took nothing for granted, whereas DC has the big WB conglomerate from their inception to help them in every financial situation. To me, DC is the hare and Marvel is the tortoise, and just like in the story where the hare took a nap, the tortoise keeps on moving and ended up as the winner. This explains why JL isn't having the kind of success that they thought they would get because they took shortcuts instead of running at a good, steady pace.

 

[Patchwork Man]

Moon Knight's cool. Loved Bill Sienkiewicz's work on the comic. Best Batman ripoff ever.

 

[FunkMiller]

Gitesh agrees with me. As is right and proper.

Final intl wknd for #JusticeLeague* came in at $71.5M boosting cume to $311M & global tally to $482.9M. Last yr #BatmanVSuperman absorbed 78% of its worldwide final by end of 2nd wknd. A similar path ahead for JL puts it on course for a final of about $650M.

 

[Flemm]

I knew the movie would most likely be poorly received based on trailers, but I was still expected the film to get to around 800M box office on the strength of the brands involved.

I think the studio probably thought so, too. 650M is an unmitigated disaster. That's less than Man of Steel. Granted, MoS' international number is inflated by the dollar being stronger now, so this movie is doing more business internationally by quite a bit.

Just not enough to matter, given that the domestic number is so much lower.

This whole thing has been an exercise in futility. I can only hope that they finally learn their lesson. They must take a long-term view and build a reputation for quality.

If they don't, this will keep happening, especially for the lesser-known properties.

 

[gerrym51]

I knew the movie would most likely be poorly received based on trailers, but I was still expected the film to get to around 800M box office on the strength of the brands involved.

I think the studio probably thought so, too. 650M is an unmitigated disaster. That's less than Man of Steel. Granted, MoS' international number is inflated by the dollar being stronger now, so this movie is doing more business internationally by quite a bit.

Just not enough to matter, given that the domestic number is so much lower.

This whole thing has been an exercise in futility. I can only hope that they finally learn their lesson. They must take a long-term view and build a reputation for quality.

If they don't, this will keep happening, especially for the lesser-known properties.

there are unmitigated disasters and there are disasters. you should google 'Heavens Gate' or 'Cuthhroat island' remember you have to go thru the value of the dollar at the time. JL is not anywheres near a 'financial disaster''. It is it is an underperformer we can't be sure exactly how much money it lst