Justice League Justice League Box Office Prediction - Part 7

[The Joker]

Considering how much money the sequels to BB made I doubt that. As for BvS stop kidding yourselves, what scared the average movie goer (not just families e.t.c) was how horrible of a movie it was. Saying that “it was too dark” is a ridiculous excuse , it wasn’t too dark it was just too horrible.

Quoted for truth.

 

[RomanticPenguin]

Considering how much money the sequels to BB made I doubt that. As for BvS stop kidding yourselves, what scared the average movie goer (not just families e.t.c) was how horrible of a movie it was. Saying that “it was too dark” is a ridiculous excuse , it wasn’t too dark it was just too horrible.

nice strawman

Me mentioning the fact that the horror effects in BB/BvS would scare kids = "stop kidding yourselves, what scared the average movie goer (not just families e.t.c) was how horrible of a movie it was."????? like I even made that argument smh

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I don't know if you've ever talked to someone with kids but yes TDK joker, stuff like the dead body jump scare in TDK and the horror effects in BB are a concern to parents, even jason momoa was saying he was concerned steppenwolf was going to be too scary for his kids

BvS/TDK trilogy just aren't designed to reach the kids demographic as much as the Avengers/Superman 1 are

why is this so hard for some people to understand

 

[samsnee]

Why can’t it be both? It was too dark and joyless so didn’t appeal to kids. And what they did do was done so horribly it didn’t appeal to adults ether.

 

[RomanticPenguin]

Why can’t it be both? It was too dark and joyless so didn’t appeal to kids. And what they did do was done so horribly it didn’t appeal to adults ether.

oh definitely, it's just kind of condescending to straw man someone then say "stop kidding yourselves" about the straw man

 

[Micromind]

nice strawman

Me mentioning the fact that the horror effects in BB/BvS would scare kids = "stop kidding yourselves, what scared the average movie goer (not just families e.t.c) was how horrible of a movie it was."????? like I even made that argument smh

so random

I don't know if you've ever talked to someone with kids but yes TDK joker, stuff like the dead body jump scare in TDK and the horror effects in BB are a concern to parents, even jason momoa was saying he was concerned steppenwolf was going to be too scary for his kids

BvS/TDK trilogy just aren't designed to reach the kids demographic as much as the Avengers/Superman 1 are

why is this so hard for some people to understand

Exactly, BvS was not made to appeal to wider demographic, like Spider-Man Homecoming was. It was never intended to be targeted at kids.

BvS was a niche film catering to niche audience, Cavill himself has admitted that.

 

[Micromind]

Why can’t it be both? It was too dark and joyless so didn’t appeal to kids. And what they did do was done so horribly it didn’t appeal to adults ether.

Portions of the film were cut which made it's flow uneven and even incoherent at times coupled with the fact that people went in with completely different expectations from the movie, they wanted to see a team-up type movie and got something completely different.

 

[Clark-Kent]

Exactly, BvS was not made to appeal to wider demographic, like Spider-Man Homecoming was. It was never intended to be targeted at kids.

BvS was a niche film catering to niche audience, Cavill himself has admitted that.

There were a couple significant changes that would have made BvS work on a broader scale. 1. Characterization of Lex to corporate businessman. 2. Plot off rails where Superman must uh kill Batman to save his Mommy and "no one stays good in this world".

What didn't work is whats responsible for both Bvs and Justice League not fairing better at box office.

Looking at JL for example, didn't flesh out the characters more and make people care. Didn't focus on Apokolips and anti life equation, with introduction of Darkseid. In fact, there was little connection to the actual interesting sequences from BvS brought into Justice League! The Bruce Wayne moment seeing Flash after the scenes "Lois Lane is the key" made it seem like an epic film on the way.

These are issues of just not the right story or execution. Both of which affected BO take.

 

[Micromind]

There were a couple significant changes that would have made BvS work on a broader scale. 1. Characterization of Lex to corporate businessman. 2. Plot off rails where Superman must uh kill Batman to save his Mommy and "no one stays good in this world".

What didn't work is whats responsible for both Bvs and Justice League not fairing better at box office.

Looking at JL for example, didn't flesh out the characters more and make people care. Didn't focus on Apokolips and anti life equation, with introduction of Darkseid. In fact, there was little connection to the actual interesting sequences from BvS brought into Justice League! The Bruce Wayne moment seeing Flash after the scenes "Lois Lane is the key" made it seem like an epic film on the way.

These are issues of just not the right story or execution. Both of which affected BO take.

JL movie needed more than 2 hours of runtime or one more movie leading upto JL, the buildup was not there.

The issues are with planning, story, buildup and execution.

 

[Superchan]

Exactly, BvS was not made to appeal to wider demographic, like Spider-Man Homecoming was. It was never intended to be targeted at kids.

BvS was a niche film catering to niche audience, Cavill himself has admitted that.

That fact alone makes this film an utter failure.
You think those monkeys at WB gave Snyder 250 million dollars to make a niche film? Snyder tried to do what nolan did with the DK trilogy i.e. make a groundbreaking, serious superhero movie that appealed to anyone who liked good movies but those same monkeys didn't realize that Snyder isn't good enough to shine Nolan's shoes let alone be able to replicate what he did with the DK.

 

[FunkMiller]

Exactly, BvS was not made to appeal to wider demographic, like Spider-Man Homecoming was. It was never intended to be targeted at kids.

BvS was a niche film catering to niche audience, Cavill himself has admitted that.

And what an utterly ****ing stupid decision that was. To make a movie for a small section of fandom that doesn’t care for anyone else’s enjoyment but their own.

These characters are meant for children and families as much as they are for teenage and twenty something men. WB and Snyder deserve all the vitriol they get for forgetting that.

 

[samsnee]

I don’t think it needed to be kid friendly for it to have succeeded. Nolan’s trilogy definitely didn’t have a kid oriented feel, but 1) the budgets were key under control, and 2)they were made well.

BvS and JL to a lesser extent were the opposite of those points.

 

[MbJ]

For the record, I wasn't arguing that Batman v. Superman needed to be kid-friendly. Obviously there are plenty of successful films aimed at adult audiences.

What I was mentioning was it being a possibility that (particularly given the holiday weekend) families steered clear of Justice League based on the now established reputation the DCEU films have (cemented with BVS) in favor of other fare.

And what an utterly ****ing stupid decision that was. To make a movie for a small section of fandom that doesn’t care for anyone else’s enjoyment but their own.

These characters are meant for children and families as much as they are for teenage and twenty something men. WB and Snyder deserve all the vitriol they get for forgetting that.

The defense of "this was made for the fans, not for critics" will never not make me laugh. If it was made for a specific niche then fine, but don't spend 250 million dollars on it next time.

 

[Flint Marko]

Exactly, BvS was not made to appeal to wider demographic, like Spider-Man Homecoming was. It was never intended to be targeted at kids.

BvS was a niche film catering to niche audience, Cavill himself has admitted that.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

JL movie needed more than 2 hours of runtime or one more movie leading upto JL, the buildup was not there.

The issues are with planning, story, buildup and execution.

Too true, seal stamp and approved. The runtime was when I knew for sure this movie wasn't going to be good.
Seems there was a plan waaaaay back when MoS was being made, but the studio didn't want to put in the hard work

So less than MOS...... yikes

Now that is a good helping of justice; stupid morons couldn't be patient and establish characters slowly and just wanted that Avengers money.

 

[Zarex]

Daddy, what's a "niche"? Is it the reason I can't have these sugary treats?

 

[markjoedelonge]

Holy **** those ice-cream cones look delicious

 

[Zarex]

Holy **** those ice-cream cones look delicious

I'm gonna need to see some ID, fella. Those artificially sweetened delights are for mature adults!

 

[Micromind]

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Daddy, what's a "niche"? Is it the reason I can't have these sugary treats?

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You can look up Cavill's statement. Or ask any kid if he liked the movie.

 

[Zarex]

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You can look up Cavill's statement. Or ask any kid if he liked the movie.

I would suggest that WB's goal was for BvS to be a 4 quadrant blockbuster appealing to all audiences - including the kiddies. The end result may have been a niche film, but the marketing and budget for the film suggest that wasn't the plan

 

[Power Cosmic]

Daddy, what's a "niche"? Is it the reason I can't have these sugary treats?

LOL! There's so much depth in these candies.

 

[Mandon Knight]

In many studio 'hues', the films have very little / if nothing in the way of correlation between the merchandise and the film itself, there is always going to be 'tie-in's' with any major release (I still have my E.T. lunchbox), it's how money is made and a film promoted, kid friendly or not.

That picture shown of the BvS figures, adults may wish to purchase for a collection as well, so it's multi-age interest, as far as I can see.

A responsible parent or guardian is not going to let a young child (say 5-7) see a CBM they feel they are not ready for, toys are a separate entity altogether.

 

[ludovica]

BvS should have been for kids.

Thread derailment though.

 

[Erzengel]

In many studio 'hues', the films have very little / if nothing in the way of correlation between the merchandise and the film itself, there is always going to be 'tie-in's' with any major release (I still have my E.T. lunchbox), it's how money is made and a film promoted, kid friendly or not.

That picture shown of the BvS figures, adults may wish to purchase for a collection as well, so it's multi-age interest, as far as I can see.

A responsible parent or guardian is not going to let a young child (say 5-7) see a CBM they feel they are not ready for, toys are a separate entity altogether.

1. ET was always a family movie.

2. Finding a vintage ET lunchbox, you're not going to see Coming June 11, 1982 on it.

So, when you have children treats and cereals saying that a Batman and Superman movie (which in itself, how can you tell a child, yeah that's a grown up Batman/Superman, it's not for kids) and say WHEN it's coming out, how can you not say it's not trying to market towards children.

 

[Micromind]

Having Actions figures associated with a movie / network show does not necessarily mean that the movie (or series) will be kid friendly, for example - I don't think Netfilx's Daredevil (or Punisher) is made for kids but then, they sell Actions figures for those shows. Now, what happens if some five year old looks at those Actions figures and demands to see Jessica Jones, Daredevil or Punisher ?

It is not for younger demographic (see https://www.commonsensemedia.org/tv-reviews/daredevil) despite Marvel -Hasbro selling Actions figures.

 

[Erzengel]

I also saw Netflix advertisement for the Marvel series on public transportation, not on Lucky Charms.