Justice League Justice League Hypesters Review Thread [TAG SPOILERS!]

[kendalag]

Just watching Jeremy jauns spolier talk and reading through the comments, seems like the general audience is feeling this film quite abit. WTF is going on lol

Well, it's Flixster score is doing MUCH better than BvS was doing on opening day, according to a poster at boxofficetheory, Justice League is at 86% (4.3/5) BvS was already down to 74% (3.9/5) recommended by this point. WW was 93% (4.6/5) ... not positive, but I believe Thor 3 was around 89-90% at that point.

Of course, the film is still doing horrible at the box office in comparison to expectations ... but WB can at least know that it's seemingly doing better with audiences than critics ... we'll see about the Cinemascore tonight or tomorrow.

 

[007]

If we're rating Justice League alongside the other DC films, it sits firmly alongside Suicide Squad bringing up the rear, both in the 'reshot, re-edited mess' category.

Man of Steel and Wonder Woman are the best ones so far, and it's not coincidence that they are the simplest ones that focus on one hero.

Agreed.

Tbf I don't think man of steel was overly special in anyway shape or form however. I do think cavill is a good suoerman though. But there definatley seems to be an issue with them putting more than one hero on screen.

it speaks volumes that one of the best moments of the film was the after credits scene, but I bet even with that they won't match the arrows deathstroke

 

[DarkKnight]

Many others clearly have not watched enough good films or of an age where big explosions are appealing enough to judge a film.

Now I feel you are just trolling. You are just using silly excuses trying to get your point over. fact is its still subjective if a person finds a film poor or not.

 

[SilverBatarangs]

Precisely.

They should of got the individual films in first as well to establish characters.

Everything was far too rushed.

Yep, and definitely Cyborg.
Someone said on here yesterday that they didn't feel like
he could carry his own film. They could have used his story
to tell the much larger story of the Mother Boxes; it would have
worked out perfectly that way.

With there being a Flash TV show, everything with him
felt like everything we've already seen before (for those who watch it).
They should combine his story with the exploration of Earth 2.

I think Aquaman could easily just carry his own film, since there's
a lot of myth and lore surrounding Atlantis.

 

[Techn9ne77]

Many others clearly have not watched enough good films or of an age where big explosions are appealing enough to judge a film.

Just curious since you're apparently a film genius & the next great auteur, name some great films from the superhero genre in your opinion. I'm talking films that people over the age of 18 should like & love. Yeah, yeah Batman Begins, TDK, and......

 

[007]

Now I feel you are just trolling. Now you are just using silly excuses trying to get your point over. fact is its still subjective if a person finds a film poor or not.

I don't care what you think to be frank with you.

Its not hard to judge whether a film is a good film or not regardless of whether you enjoyed it or not.

A film with a poor script, thin plot, bad re shoots, that felt hugely rushed cannot be considered a good film.

Its why its been critically panned as an awful movie.

 

[Primal Slayer]

If you're looking for something to be wrong, you'll find it.
It's not that bad to where it sticks out like a sore thumb to the average viewer
who didn't even realize Henry Cavill had a mustache, let alone it be removed during post-production.

It was just about as much of a sore thumb as Sue Storms wig was in FF.

 

[007]

Just curious since you're apparently a film genius & the next great auteur, name some great films from the superhero genre in your opinion. I'm talking films that people over the age of 18 should like & love. Yeah, yeah Batman Begins, TDK, and......

Burtons batman's
Nolans
The cap trilogy
The avengers
The iron man trilogy
Thor 3

There are plenty out there, those off the top of my head in 20 secs.

This film can't hold a candle to those.

It was barely a coherent film.

 

[Techn9ne77]

Burtons batman's
Nolans
The cap trilogy
The avengers
The iron man trilogy
Thor 3

There are plenty out there, those off the top of my head in 20 secs.

This film can't hold a candle to those.

It was barely a coherent film.

OK thank you for your time & response.....

 

[DarkKnight]

I don't care what you think to be frank with you.

Its not hard to judge whether a film is a good film or not regardless of whether you enjoyed it or not.

A film with a poor script, thin plot, bad re shoots, that felt hugely rushed cannot be considered a good film.

Its why its been critically panned as an awful movie.

HAHA, fair enough, I'll agree with you on not caring what I think and I wont care what you think either since you are set in your "factual" ways.

At least I can walk away knowing the difference of subjective opinions vs fact.

Now that's a fact Jack

 

[007]

Yep, and definitely Cyborg.
Someone said on here yesterday that they didn't feel like
he could carry his own film. They could have used his story
to tell the much larger story of the Mother Boxes; it would have
worked out perfectly that way.

With there being a Flash TV show, everything with him
felt like everything we've already seen before (for those who watch it).
They should combine his story with the exploration of Earth 2.

I think Aquaman could easily just carry his own film, since there's
a lot of myth and lore surrounding Atlantis.

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I agree with those who say cyborg couldn't Carry his own film, it would more than likely bomb at the box office.

You're right about flash to a degree, and its gonna be incredibly hard for them to match the TV show for quality. I personally think they will ruin his film as well. Especially if they do flashpoint. WB can't pull off the basics let alone a story that complex.

Aqua man definatley could. Let's just hope they don't waste his character.

 

[007]

HAHA, fair enough, I'll agree with you on not caring what I think and I wont care what you think either since you are set in your "factual" ways.

At least I can walk away knowing the difference of subjective opinions vs fact.

Now that's a fact Jack

~~~

Splendid, i do hope you enjoy some more sub par films tonight.

 

[007]

On the scale of awful comic book films you have all the ff films, batman and robin, suicide squad etc.

This is about two levels above those.

 

[Willi Berg]

If we're rating Justice League alongside the other DC films, it sits firmly alongside Suicide Squad bringing up the rear, both in the 'reshot, re-edited mess' category.

Man of Steel and Wonder Woman are the best ones so far, and it's not coincidence that they are the simplest ones that focus on one hero.

Ah, the good old days...

 

[SilverBatarangs]

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I agree with those who say cyborg couldn't Carry his own film, it would more than likely bomb at the box office.

You're right about flash to a degree, and its gonna be incredibly hard for them to match the TV show for quality. I personally think they will ruin his film as well. Especially if they do flashpoint. WB can't pull off the basics let alone a story that complex.

Aqua man definatley could. Let's just hope they don't waste his character.

They would just have to sell his film a different way.
He has a story worth telling, I feel, as it relates to the Mother Boxes.
That's something they could use to segue into a possible sequel to Justice League.

If they go down the Injustice route, which is what I'm still hoping they do,
I'd want the Flashpoint film to come after that; it would make sense for it to.
That should give them enough time to get their thoughts together.

 

[Arachnerd]

finally wrote down my entire review yay.

So...saw Justice League yesterday. Had to collect my thoughts and let the experience of the movie sink in before I could write this review down, though I already expressed some of my short thoughts in other threads and in this one. Basically, I really enjoyed this movie. It was fun, the character dynamic was fantastic and I liked the action scenes.

However, and this is a big complaint I have, it suffers from the same issues Suicide Squad and to a lesser extent Batman v Superman, which is flimsy editing and scenes that seemed like they were severely trimmed in order to fit the 2 hour runtime. Again, studio interference was at play here and it delivered us yet another incomplete movie in the veins of the theatrical cut of BvS, except here and to me at least, it was much more noticeable since a good sizable portion of the promo footage didn’t even make it to the actual film. It’s sad because there’s a great JL movie buried in this mess of a movie. A part of me hopes an extended edition is released on home release, but I’m not getting my hopes up.

The score by Danny Elfman actually sounded worse to me in the film than it did with solo hearings. Other than the Batman and Superman motifs along with his rendition of the WW theme, I remember absolutely nothing. Not even Steppenwolf’s track, which is actually my favorite of the score, made any impression on me during the viewing. And don’t get me started on the use of Zimmer’s MOS “theme”. I want to slap both Whedon and Elfman for this mindboggling decision and more.

Now to get into spoiler territory:

The Good

Spoiler

- All the actors do a good job within their respective roles. Affleck still owns it as Batman to me; Gadot is still wonderful as WW (pun intended); Ezra Miller is good but can get grating at times; Ray Fisher was underrated and Momoa was freaking awesome. As for Cavill… he nailed it. The Christopher Reeve vibes I got from him in the final battle were trés bien oui oui.

- The cellphone scene that opens the film. Extremely noticeable CGI’d out mustache notwithstanding, it was a heartwarming way to open the film and to showcase DCEU’s Superman warmer and gentler side without going cheesy with it. Which leads me to my next point.

- The Batman action scene with the parademon whilst being followed by a montage showing the world mourning and being affected by Superman’s demise really set the tone for a movie with dramatic stakes. Very Watchmen-like, and superb use of Sigrid’s Everybody Knows cover.

- I liked Amber Heard as Mera from what little we got of her. Curious to see her in the Aquaman solo.

- Resurrected Clark side-eyeing Flash while in Speed Force was hilariously awesome. Also him throwing the “do you bleed” line back at Batfleck.

- The scene with Barry and his dad in the present was good. Glad they didn't cut it out like rumored.

- Cyborg was a much more interesting character than I thought he would be, even with a lot of his original scenes cut out. That scene where he indirectly calls his dad a monster was…damn. Also loved that small bit at the end where he’s laughing along with Supes.

- Bruce’s humanity and growing appreciation for Clark. A great continuation and progression from BvS and it was terrific to see a little of their comradery at the end. The “I bought the bank” line kills me.

- Any scene where Bruce and Diana interact is golden.

- The mid-credits scene with Flash and Supes racing made me giddy like a little kid.

- End credits scene was great too. As someone who really disliked EisenLex in BvS, he was good in it. More restrained, collected, and with the right attire. Just as Lex Luthor should be. And yay, Deathstroke and a possible Legion of Doom for JL2 (if that ever gets made).

And now, sigh, the Bad.

Spoiler

- The 2 hour runtime was a stupid mistake, and it hurts the film. I never had much of a problem with it pre-release because well made films have been made with the same runtime. But they also work because they had good execution, pacing and editing. While JL barely succeeds in the former, it fails spectacularly with the latter two. Most scenes feel rushed with almost no moment to breathe, not to mention trimmed to absolute s***.

- Clark’s resurrection and eventual recovery were a joke. While the former did give away to a pretty decent fight scene, there was no fair amount of time given to him after that before putting the suit back on. The “ring” scene in the last trailer wasn’t even in it. Him returning and eventually learning his place in the world should have been one of the emotional cruxes of the movie. The former should have been big, this awe-inspiring moment (for a little, at least), and the latter a quiter poignant scene, but the execution along with scenes being cut and moving so fast prevented any heartfelt moments to be truly felt. I felt nothing when he reunited with Martha. Absolutely nothing, and that is a seriously enormous flaw.

- The CGI’d upper lip on Cavill. Honestly didn’t notice it in a lot of the scenes with him, probably because I wasn’t specifically looking for it, but it was so noticeable in the cellphone scene. Just… unashamedly noticeable. Good god, it looked bad. Not to mention unintentionally creepy.

- Steppenwolf. Wasn’t as terrible as most people made him out to be, in my case at least, but he was still at best completely serviceable and at worst as bad if not worse than Malekith on Thor: The Dark World. He didn’t need to be fully CGI, for starters, because visually he looked atrocious. He was also quite literally a stereotypical “rawr gonna take over the world you’re all beneath me!” bad guy, no impression whatsoever. And what irks me more is that I remember Ciaran Hindis doing an interview quite a while back talking about his backstory of how Steppenwolf wanted to break off Darkseid’s enslavement and such, but none of that is in the film. At all. In fact, it seems that was left in the cutting room floor/modified because he still seems to work for Darkseid given his war cry at one point. Compared to Zod and even Doomsday, who in their own right felt like legitimate threats, he was a serious downgrade in the powerhouse department. The League can’t take him on but Superman can pummel him without breaking a sweat? C’mon now.

- The visuals were…somewhat underwhelming for me half the time. Think both Snyder and Whedon share the blame on this.

- The film felt very small in scale. There was no reaction to the League, no scene showing the world reacting to Superman’s return to pay off the beginning (and BvS) or the rest of the team, no civilians preoccupied with or even knowing about another apocalyptic event (with the exception of that family), no kind of any military intervention, and most of all, no resolution to the ring plotline. Just entirely forgotten. This movie just ended without them thinking of the bigger picture. Say what you want about MOS and BvS, but at least Snyder did a better job there of creating some actual tension and stakes, which are entirely non-existent here. Doesn’t help how boring and underpowered Steppenwolf is either.

- Some of the line delivery was just awful. I love Gal Gadot with all my heart, she’s wonderful in the role of Wonder Woman… but what the heck was with the lack of emotion in the line “Kal-El, no!”? That was just bad. And in the same scene, Amy Adams almost unenthusiastically calling out for Clark. Ugh.

Those are all my thoughts, at least for now. In conclusion, it’s an enjoyable mess that could have been a hell of a lot better than it actually was, but also a lot worse given what occurred behind the scenes. I give it a 6/10.

 

[007]

They would just have to sell his film a different way.
He has a story worth telling, I feel, as it relates to the Mother Boxes.
That's something they could use to segue into a possible sequel to Justice League.

If they go down the Injustice route, which is what I'm still hoping they do,
I'd want the Flashpoint film to come after that; it would make sense for it to.
That should give them enough time to get their thoughts together.

I'm hoping this bombs at the box office and I think it will tbh, after bVS and suicide squad a lot of general audiences will be put off and would of been relying on reveiews as to whether or not to go see it and obviously those have not been kind. £300 mill budget plus marketing costs I've read they need to do a billion at the box office To break even. This film won't make that. It will start well but crash after the first week. Would be suprpised to see it clear $ 800 million globally

 

[chintai80]

the characters and the team dynamic are the best part of the movie.
the comic book geek moments are what saved the movie for me, imo.
this was the most "comic bookey" of all the DCEU movies so far. so i liked that.
tunnel battle was probably the best action scene in the whole movie for me.

but it also felt too safe and watered down to appeal to criticisms from the previous movies.
there was too much forced humor in the end battle - especially by Superman.
end battle wasn't that great either - but most superhero movies suffer from weak third acts.
the movie did feel rushed - scenes feel like they should've went on longer and should have had more character development.
i was fine with Steppenwolf in terms of look and cgi - i just wish we got more backstory and explanation for his motivation.

hopefully an extended cut on blu-ray will fix lot of this - along with some of the bad cgi effects.

the elfman soundtrack was weak - nothing stood out - it sounded like he made a generic version of his spiderman + avengers stuff.
wish zimmer/junkie xl stuck around instead.

it was decent - just wish we got a great JL movie instead though. i enjoyed it overall - but wanted something more epic! superman's return did not feel as big and epic as you would expect either. so color me slightly disappointed by all this.

but i do look forward to the solo movies after this though - i liked each team member, not sure who is my favorite right now because i just watched the movie and trying to wrap my head around what i just saw.

here is how i would rate the DCEU:

1. Man of Steel
2. Wonder Woman
3. BvS: Ultimate Edition
4. Justice League
5. Suicide Squad
6. BvS: Theatrical Cut

 

[SilverBatarangs]

I'm hoping this bombs at the box office and I think it will tbh, after bVS and suicide squad a lot of general audiences will be put off and would of been relying on reveiews as to whether or not to go see it and obviously those have not been kind. £300 mill budget plus marketing costs I've read they need to do a billion at the box office To break even. This film won't make that. It will start well but crash after the first week. Would be suprpised to see it clear $ 800 million globally

The last thing I want to see is the DCEU fail.
Even with its current flaws, I believe it's a really great franchise
that has a ton of potential for it to be leagues better.

What I need the studio to stop doing is interfering with
the work of the directors. I believe that's what is, ultimately, throwing
everything off.

 

[007]

"Years from now — or maybe even as you read this — filmmakers are going to use the DC Comics Extended Universe as a prime example of how not to build a movie franchise."

One review ~ bang on

 

[samsnee]

"Years from now — or maybe even as you read this — filmmakers are going to use the DC Comics Extended Universe as a prime example of how not to build a movie franchise."

One review ~ bang on

This one and Universal’s Dark Universe.

 

[007]

The last thing I want to see is the DCEU fail.
Even with its current flaws, I believe it's a really great franchise
that has a ton of potential for it to be leagues better.

What I need the studio to stop doing is interfering with
the work of the directors. I believe that's what is, ultimately, throwing
everything off.

I think it failing is the only way they will correct the mistakes and go back to the drawing board, they've made the same mistaked continuously and if people keep paying to see it well keep getting the same product. It needs to fail to ignite change. WB needs to remove whoever is in charge because ultimately they are churning out rubbish.

At this stage I'd prefer virtually any other studio to be doing tbs films.

 

[007]

As for elfmans score completely agree it was absolutely awful.

This is from a guy who scored possibly the best movie soundtrack to date ever in the original Burton batman, every piece was amazing. Every track on this one was attrocious.

The only track o truly liked was the one with the trailer where steppenwolf went no protectors here, no kryptonian., no lanterns. And I don't even think that was elfman who did that but i could be wrong and it didn't make the film anyway.

Very dissapointing. I understand people have primes and whatnot but elfman is clearly past his.

 

[rogue trooper]

Just saw it and it was just a blast! Yes, it did feel a little rushed but the characters and action were excellently put together.

Spoiler

Supes' return is superb!

Affleck and Gadot are solid again, and Fisher, Momoa and Miller are a delight, though I do hope Momoa will be alot more "profound" in Aquaman, as he will have to carry that film. Post-credit scenes are among the best I've seen in a while(

Spoiler

loved that they kept Slade Wilson's hair all white

).

A very fun and watchable film that it is indeed a step in the right direction.

 

[007]

Oh and superman's resurrection was arguably the most rushed and just poorly plotted parts of the film.

After they went to the trouble of killing him off thatsbwhst they gave us