Justice League Justice League: News and Speculation - - - Part 30

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[jokesonm3]

There is a difference between failing once a while and failing repeatedly. Snyder fails repeatedly. His last four movies have been underwhelming. He says he doesn't see what he could have done differently with BVS which means he has no idea what his weaknesses are. Even Brian Singer, who is far better then Snyder, recently admitted that he can see what his mistakes were in Superman Returns. He said that he saw women lining up to watch Devil Wears Prada so he included a love story in Superman Returns to attract women. That's what great directors do. They have self awareness to see their mistakes.

Snyder doesn't have that self awareness. He blames everyone else, even fans, for his failures. How can you still think that JL, whose foundations were built on MOS and BVS, will turn out to be fantastic is beyond me. Unless Affleck is doing the actual directing behind the scene and Snyder is there just for namesake, Justice League will turn out to be mediocre or even downright terrible. You should stop criticizing DC fans for their pessimism. Their pessimism is based in reality. It's not like they wanted DC movies to be bad. In fact, I find optimism to be delusional at this point.

That's a bingo.

 

[Rapunzel]

There's not been enough shown to accurately gauge whether Snyder is self aware or deserving of the benefit of the doubt. MoS had it's direction and all that, but the whole DCEU was pretty much planned after that. Ergo, some of the seeming "inability to be self aware" and "incapable of change" stuff could be a result of them doing a semi-start over to begin their shared universe.

Pronouncing judgments like "snyder doesn't know what he's doing and won't change" are so absurdly egotistical. None of us our psychic. There's no way anyone outside the production can make such pronouncements.

 

[Angel0fDeath]

If some people hated BvS and MoS, there's no reason for them to be optimistic. Maybe they should skip next couple of years, till another director arrives.

yeah, what's delusional to me are the people who didn't like mos or bvs and are still spouting off about it. it didn't work for you, you think the guy's a hack, etc, that's fine, and i respect the opinion, but why on earth would you hang around a message board for his next movie? i can't fathom following a franchise i don't like, let alone hate the director. some people post like they need counseling. no, it's okay, you didn't like the movie, you don't like snyder, so move on, go follow something else, go outside, whatever. i promise, you aren't bound to follow movies you don't like. you're free now.

 

[Aejej]

yeah, what's delusional to me are the people who didn't like mos or bvs and are still spouting off about it. it didn't work for you, you think the guy's a hack, etc, that's fine, and i respect the opinion, but why on earth would you hang around a message board for his next movie? i can't fathom following a franchise i don't like, let alone hate the director. some people post like they need counseling. no, it's okay, you didn't like the movie, you don't like snyder, so move on, go follow something else, go outside, whatever. i promise, you aren't bound to follow movies you don't like. you're free now.

Not to mention if you post something less than 99% complimentary in the CW thread (since that's the current film), they try to call you out for trolling.

It doesn't diminish my anticipation for DCEU films one bit. t:

 

[paulogonza]

s simple people do not watch Justice League , there the box office will be a failure and the WB is a general reboot with another team , but I think if that happens can wait another twenty years at least , I find it funny judge something not filmed it is based on two films that most did not like (not my case) and many of these people were influenciads by criticism of other people know at least 10 people who were not even see the movie because of the critical

 

[Chip Chipperson]

In regards to people who stick around despite their vitriol for Snyder, I don't really mind them being in here voicing their opinions. They love these characters like the rest of us and they're curious to see what is done with the first Justice League movie.

Sure the whining can get old sometimes, but I still enjoy having conversations with people that share different opinions.

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

In regards to people who stick around despite their vitriol for Snyder, I don't really mind them being in here voicing their opinions. They love these characters like the rest of us and they're curious to see what is done with the first Justice League movie.

Sure the whining can get old sometimes, but I still enjoy having conversations with people that share different opinions.

i don't mind anyone being here, there, or anywhere. discussion is obviously what this place for. but if you come in with an attitude resembling, 'snyder doesn't get super heroes like i do, now calm me down, talk me back from the ledge, and tell me why i should go see justice league.' hey, you think it stinks, you don't like the guy, tough luck, i guess, but all i can think in response is, then leave, snowflake. it's a super hero franchise, not a way of life (i pray). i can't think of anyone who didn't like the first two prequels, but loved revenge of the sith. you know the director, you know his vision, if it hasn't worked for you at this point, it's probably not going to. it's perplexing to me that someone would spend their free time on a message board dedicated to a movie they've already decided they're going to not like, or, better yet, already know how it's gonna flop. it's laughable, like the simpsons comic dude is alive and well and living in the bodies of many men and women.

 

[Mad Love]

There's not been enough shown to accurately gauge whether Snyder is self aware or deserving of the benefit of the doubt. MoS had it's direction and all that, but the whole DCEU was pretty much planned after that. Ergo, some of the seeming "inability to be self aware" and "incapable of change" stuff could be a result of them doing a semi-start over to begin their shared universe.

Pronouncing judgments like "snyder doesn't know what he's doing and won't change" are so absurdly egotistical. None of us our psychic. There's no way anyone outside the production can make such pronouncements.

BvS was Snyder's second chance. While there were improvements to the dialogue and cinematography, there's still the same technical problems.

I think they should give Snyder a smaller budget movie if they want to keep him on the DCEU. Maybe something like Lobo that's more in his wheelhouse and even let him make it rated R.

Justice League is way too important and the reception of MOS and BvS can't be overlooked. If the DCEU has real consequences, then Snyder needs to face some real life consequences too.

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

while those are all fair points, mad love, it's irrelevant. the guy's directing justice league, not lobo or shazam.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

BvS was Snyder's second chance. While there were improvements to the dialogue and cinematography, there's still the same technical problems.

I think they should give Snyder a smaller budget movie if they want to keep him on the DCEU. Maybe something like Lobo that's more in his wheelhouse and even let him make it rated R.

Justice League is way too important and the reception of MOS and BvS can't be overlooked. If the DCEU has real consequences, then Snyder needs to face some real life consequences too.

The sooner you accept Justice League for what it will probably be, the easier it will be to accept its inevitable reception. At least the Batman stuff is almost guaranteed to be good, and that's enough for me I guess.

 

[Sleiek]

That's the spirit!!

 

[Guts]

 

[Sawyer]

*wants to motorboat*

 

[OutOfBoose]

i don't mind anyone being here, there, or anywhere. discussion is obviously what this place for. but if you come in with an attitude resembling, 'snyder doesn't get super heroes like i do, now calm me down, talk me back from the ledge, and tell me why i should go see justice league.' hey, you think it stinks, you don't like the guy, tough luck, i guess, but all i can think in response is, then leave, snowflake. it's a super hero franchise, not a way of life (i pray). i can't think of anyone who didn't like the first two prequels, but loved revenge of the sith. you know the director, you know his vision, if it hasn't worked for you at this point, it's probably not going to. it's perplexing to me that someone would spend their free time on a message board dedicated to a movie they've already decided they're going to not like, or, better yet, already know how it's gonna flop. it's laughable, like the simpsons comic dude is alive and well and living in the bodies of many men and women.

Awesome post.

About the bold part. Actually, I saw plenty of people who hated two first films and liked RotS. So, if we use this example, plenty of people still have a chance with the third Snyder film.

 

[souperman]

i don't mind anyone being here, there, or anywhere. discussion is obviously what this place for. but if you come in with an attitude resembling, 'snyder doesn't get super heroes like i do, now calm me down, talk me back from the ledge, and tell me why i should go see justice league.' hey, you think it stinks, you don't like the guy, tough luck, i guess, but all i can think in response is, then leave, snowflake. it's a super hero franchise, not a way of life (i pray). i can't think of anyone who didn't like the first two prequels, but loved revenge of the sith. you know the director, you know his vision, if it hasn't worked for you at this point, it's probably not going to. it's perplexing to me that someone would spend their free time on a message board dedicated to a movie they've already decided they're going to not like, or, better yet, already know how it's gonna flop. it's laughable, like the simpsons comic dude is alive and well and living in the bodies of many men and women.

I can do it better than Snyder any day !

 

[Jaxon]

Awesome post.

About the bold part. Actually, I saw plenty of people who hated two first films and liked RotS. So, if we use this example, plenty of people still have a chance with the third Snyder film.

The difference is (and even if you're one of the unfortunate people that don't realise that MoS is the masterpiece that it is) the set up to JL is right on point.
You have a redeemed Batman on a mission, a WW who is starting to accept that she needs to protect the world of men again, and a Superman who has just sacrificed everything to save the world. That's a f***** good set up to bring the JL together. And that's far better than Coulson has pictures of Captain America in his pocket - "To the quinjet!"

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Awesome post.

About the bold part. Actually, I saw plenty of people who hated two first films and liked RotS. So, if we use this example, plenty of people still have a chance with the third Snyder film.

I'm one of those people, quite enjoyed RotS, pretty sure quite a few did actually.

 

[Jaxon]

I'm one of those people, quite enjoyed RotS, pretty sure quite a few did actually.

The concept of it was fine, just parts of the execution.

The whole big problem with it all is that not knowing Vadar's origins makes him more menacing.

 

[Nemeres]

Venting is fun on occasion. Post-BVS DC is a golden chance at righteous whining and feeling one is dead-on with it. I'll chime in with fair jabs whenever I have them, because discussion about what makes fiction cool is worth my time, I feel.

 

[jmc]

There's not been enough shown to accurately gauge whether Snyder is self aware or deserving of the benefit of the doubt. MoS had it's direction and all that, but the whole DCEU was pretty much planned after that. Ergo, some of the seeming "inability to be self aware" and "incapable of change" stuff could be a result of them doing a semi-start over to begin their shared universe.

Pronouncing judgments like "snyder doesn't know what he's doing and won't change" are so absurdly egotistical. None of us our psychic. There's no way anyone outside the production can make such pronouncements.

There's enough evidence in his film making to suggest he isn't aware of his own weaknesses. Great artists know when they screw up, they admit it and learn from it. Bad artists think they know what's best. I'm happy to be proven wrong but I have not heard Snyder once say words to the affect of 'I screwed up'.

 

[Rapunzel]

There's enough evidence in his film making to suggest he isn't aware of his own weaknesses. Great artists know when they screw up, they admit it and learn from it. Bad artists think they know what's best. I'm happy to be proven wrong but I have not heard Snyder once say words to the affect of 'I screwed up'.

This is true, but what's there to learn from if many of his mistakes are intentional as part of the direction of the story?

If he's following a birth of god, fall of god, resurrection of god arc, the story takes care of itself and there's nothing to learn from.

 

[jmc]

This is true, but what's there to learn from if many of his mistakes are intentional as part of the direction of the story?

If he's following a birth of god, fall of god, resurrection of god arc, the story takes care of itself and there's nothing to learn from.

Are you suggesting that path cannot being executed better?

 

[souperman]

There's enough evidence in his film making to suggest he isn't aware of his own weaknesses. Great artists know when they screw up, they admit it and learn from it. Bad artists think they know what's best. I'm happy to be proven wrong but I have not heard Snyder once say words to the affect of 'I screwed up'.

Why would he say that if he doesn't think or believe it? That doesn't make him a bad artist.

I think some of the people involved have commented that they are surprised at the reaction...about as close as you are gonna get.

As Rapunzal said;

..."if many of his mistakes are intentional as part of the direction of the story?

If he's following a birth of god, fall of god, resurrection of god arc, the story takes care of itself and there's nothing to learn from."

This is the storyline they all signed on for and Affleck himself loved enough to want to be involved. It is the film and universe WB wanted to make or they would not have financed it. Affleck himself called Snyder a genius/artist or something very similar. He piled praised on him so calling for Affleck to take the helm as so many suggest is baffling...and he also admitted he would not know how to make such a film. He was proud of their work...and that comes directly from the multi Oscar winner.

WB may have misjudged the appetite of the public for something different and the 3 hour theatrical length apprehension may have led to unexpected editing issues but in my opinion, the extended or full cut 3 hour version will be slightly better and raise my overall experience from a 7.75-8 to a 8.5-9. For me , the theatrical is still good and will only get better with the extended cut.

I can see the negative posters POV but don't agree with the reasoning or complaints.