Justice League questions

[Batman the 6th]

1. In current comics, who started the league, and who made the roster?
2. In pre IC, what was the roster and who created that one? I thought Superman created it at some point, but I can't be sure. And on a pic I saw, how is Power girl part of the League if she is from another Earth, or is she from this Earth?

 

[hippie_hunter]

1. In current comics, who started the league, and who made the roster?

Post-Infinite Crisis has Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Barry Allen, Hal Jordan, Orin, the Martian Manhunter, and Black Canary as the founding members

2. In pre IC, what was the roster and who created that one? I thought Superman created it at some point, but I can't be sure. And on a pic I saw, how is Power girl part of the League if she is from another Earth, or is she from this Earth?

1. Pre-Infinite Crisis, Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman were not founding members but the others were.

2. Power Girl was a member of the Justice League International. Post-Infinite Crisis, her origns were a mystery, constantly changing because the continuity changes from the Crisis of Infinite Earths did not know what to do with her since she wasn't supposed to exist anymore. She is the Supergirl of Earth-2.

 

[Batman the 6th]

How many beings survived from Earth-2? Kal-L, Power girl, Alexander Luthor, Lois Lane, and who else? Or is that it. I didn't know Black Canary was a founding member. Surprised she wasn't on Justice League the TV series. Then again, they had a black GL and 2 girls so they would be politically correct or something.

 

[Anubis]

Just PG, Kal-L and Lois. Alex was from the Pre-Crisis Crime Syndicate Earth.

 

[Anubis]

How many beings survived from Earth-2? Kal-L, Power girl, Alexander Luthor, Lois Lane, and who else? Or is that it. I didn't know Black Canary was a founding member. Surprised she wasn't on Justice League the TV series. Then again, they had a black GL and 2 girls so they would be politically correct or something.

And Black Canary was retconned in as founder of the JLA in JLA: Year one. Good book, despite the fact that it's no longer in continuity. Before the original Crisis, Wonder Woman was a founder. They replaced her because after the original Crisis, WW didn't come to Man's world until after the JLA was up and running.

 

[GNR]

Was Mark Waid's JLA after GM really good?I've heard good things.

 

[Batman the 6th]

So why doesn't Power girl look exactly like Supergirl? And Earth-2 was the only other earth that had survivors? Only 3, and every other world besides the main one was completely wiped out, or did they leave it open or questioned?

 

[Anubis]

I liked it. Tower of Babel, Divided we fall, good stuff.

 

[Anubis]

So why doesn't Power girl look exactly like Supergirl? And Earth-2 was the only other earth that had survivors? Only 3, and every other world besides the main one was completely wiped out, or did they leave it open or questioned?

Well, technically there were lots of survivors, they just got folded into the regular DCU. The JSA of Earth 2, the Freedom Fighters of Earth X I believe. Kyle Rayner and Breach were supposedly from Earth 8. And others.

As to why PG doesn't look like Supergirl, well, she's from an alternate universe. That doesn't automatically mean they have to look exactly alike.

 

[hippie_hunter]

So why doesn't Power girl look exactly like Supergirl? And Earth-2 was the only other earth that had survivors? Only 3, and every other world besides the main one was completely wiped out, or did they leave it open or questioned?

Because they are still different people, just like Jay Garrick (the Earth-2 Flash) and Barry Allen (the Earth-1 Flash) were different people. Just like Alan Scott and Hal Jordan were different people.

What made Power Girl such a problem was that in the continuity created by the Crisis on Infinite Earths there were only supposed to be two (originally one) Kryptonians: Superman and Supergirl. The new universe didn't know what to do with Power Girl as a result so her origins got f**ked up as a result.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

After the COIE there were a lot of survivors from the 5 earths that survived. Earth 2 had the JSA and Infinity Inc. Earth S had the Marvel Family and their villains. Earth X had Uncle Sam and his group and so on. The original Silver Age JLA had as founders: Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern, Flash, and Aquaman. This was the first incarnation of the JLA.

 

[bengus]

Post-Infinite Crisis has Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Barry Allen, Hal Jordan, Orin, the Martian Manhunter, and Black Canary as the founding members.

Expressly stated by a DC rep? Or just implied from Justice League 0?

I still feel we're in Hypertime post Crisis...

But personally? The earth's mightiest team should be founded by the mightiest - it just makes common sense to me. I'm just throwing this question of whether it's canon already because the stuff in 0 with the "tomorrow" tags may not be continuity eventually. I feel that the "Yesterday" tags should be treated as such unless stated otherwise.

2. Power Girl was a member of the Justice League International. Post-Infinite Crisis, her origns were a mystery, constantly changing because the continuity changes from the Crisis of Infinite Earths did not know what to do with her since she wasn't supposed to exist anymore. She is the Supergirl of Earth-2.

JSA Secret Files 1 (correct me if I'm wrong on this) is a must read for Power Girl questions - even though it never really gave an answer, it showed how much of a predicament she was in.

 

[bengus]

Was Mark Waid's JLA after GM really good?I've heard good things.

His run didn't last that long though. The best he wrote (for me): Tower of Babel, Terror Incognita and the Luck issues (issues 18 & 19 of JLA inside Morrison's run - pls. correct if I'm wrong on the issue numbers... -_-

I'm not really that impressed with his two other arcs: Divided we Fall and the one after World War III (The fairytale one?)

I think that there was a problem between him and DC that caused his run to get cut short (this was when Morrison's pitch for Superman got squashed...) - something about a fight between them and the editors.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Expressly stated by a DC rep? Or just implied from Justice League 0?

Infinite Crisis #7 stated that Wonder Woman returned to being a founding member of the Justice League. Justice League of America #0 states that Superman and Batman were also founding members. This happened because of the continuity changes created by the destruction of Alexander Luthor's tower and the creation of "New Earth"

I still feel we're in Hypertime post Crisis...

Hypertime is still dead, but most of the continuity created by the Crisis of Infinite Earths is still intact. The changes made were changes that were needed:

1. Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman were founding members of the Justice League

2. Wonder Woman first appeared around the same time the other heroes first appeared, not after Wonder Girl, not after the Crisis of Infinite Earths

3. The events of the Crisis of Infinite Earths and DC's Pre-Crisis history is now remembered even though some things no longer happened

4. The history of Power Girl is fixed to her original state: she is the cousin of Superman-2 and a native of Earth-2.

5. The history of Troia is fixed to her original state: she was the sidekick of Wonder Woman, became Wonder Girl after Wonder Woman debuted, yet her history with the Titans of Myth remained

But personally? The earth's mightiest team should be founded by the mightiest - it just makes common sense to me. I'm just throwing this question of whether it's canon already because the stuff in 0 with the "tomorrow" tags may not be continuity eventually. I feel that the "Yesterday" tags should be treated as such unless stated otherwise.

The "Yesterday" tags are indeed in continuity, the "Tommorrow" tags are a possible future.

JSA Secret Files 1 (correct me if I'm wrong on this) is a must read for Power Girl questions - even though it never really gave an answer, it showed how much of a predicament she was in.

I never read JSA Secret Files #1, but they have fixed Power Girl's orign due to Infinite Crisis, she is a native of Earth-2 and his history was screwed up because continuity didn't know what to do with her. She was the cousin of Superman of Earth-2.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Was Mark Waid's JLA after GM really good?I've heard good things.

I really liked it, JLA was an awesome book until Kelly left. Then it went into complete crap.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I'm not really that impressed with his two other arcs: Divided we Fall and the one after World War III (The fairytale one?)

Divided We Fall was the fairytale one and Tower of Babel was the one after World War III.

 

[dmor173]

waid also wrote an awesome issue around #28 i think, that had the atom saving the day.

And tower of babel is great.

 

[bengus]

Divided We Fall was the fairytale one and Tower of Babel was the one after World War III.

Thanks for correcting me. Memory isn't doing too good... x.x

I thought Divided we Fall was the one where the JLA and their secret IDs got seperated. That's the one I didn't like. JLA 51-54 (might be compiled with Terra Incognita, since it leads up to it...)

For me, Tower of Babel was great.

I really liked it, JLA was an awesome book until Kelly left. Then it went into complete crap.

Blame Crisis I guess. I feel they had to do all the things they couldn't do before (like putting Supergirl in the league for a couple of issues) or try to make the issues build up to Infinite Crisis.

For me, Faith had to be like one of the best new characters I've seen in DC. I liked Joe Kelly's character concepts.

You didn't like Busiek's Syndicate Rules? I personally found it to be too long and could've been done in less issues. But using Morrison's CSA was a big plus for me.

waid also wrote an awesome issue around #28 i think, that had the atom saving the day.

And tower of babel is great.

Issue 18-19 actually - I checked it. It made me respect Mark Waid a lot coz he out-Morissoned Morrison in two issues.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Thanks for correcting me. Memory isn't doing too good... x.x

I thought Divided we Fall was the one where the JLA and their secret IDs got seperated. That's the one I didn't like.

Divided We Fall had that too.

Blame Crisis I guess. I feel they had to do all the things they couldn't do before (like putting Supergirl in the league for a couple of issues) or try to make the issues build up to Infinite Crisis.

No blame Claremont, Austein, and Busiek. The writers who succeeded Morrison, Waid, and Kelly. They took over for the book before Crisis even started. They turned that book into New Avengers quality crap.

 

[LibrarianThorne]

I wish Morrison would be writing the new Justice League of America and not Meltzer.

The JLA isn't about a ton of character moments. Most of the people in the book have their own series for those kinds of things. Morrison got it, that the JLA is all about action and big stories, and you put the character moments into the midst of that however you can. The JLA doesn't go down fighting Deathstroke, not when they fight Mageddon and the laws of probability and continent sized planet conquering starfish. That's the JLA, to me. The bigger the story, the better off the League is. Ellis got it too, from what I read of New Maps of Hell. "We're the Justice League. We've beaten up real gods and made them cry."

I'm gonna give the series a shot, because it's a new Justice League series and those always get a shot. I don't trust Meltzer to do the League the justice that it deserves, though.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Uh, I don't think Batman and Superman helped found the JLA. I'm pretty sure it's still the post-CoIE roster (Black Canary, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman, Hal Jordan, and Barry Allen) with the addition of Wonder Woman post-IC.

 

[Batman the 6th]

Wow this is all confusing. I thought the GL's were all on the same Earth, and that one gave it up, but there were still 2 of them with rings. Heres a question. How many heroes are there in DC comics? And how many are in JLU the cartoon. Is roster the only members of the team, or just the founding and main members? So only 1 other Superman survived, then died in IC. Kal-L and Kal-El were the only Supermen right? I still don't get it. Supergirl died in COIE's, yet she comes back later. I should buy the COIE's for 25 bucks to understand most of this.

 

[LibrarianThorne]

Wow this is all confusing. I thought the GL's were all on the same Earth, and that one gave it up, but there were still 2 of them with rings. Heres a question. How many heroes are there in DC comics? And how many are in JLU the cartoon. Is roster the only members of the team, or just the founding and main members? So only 1 other Superman survived, then died in IC. Kal-L and Kal-El were the only Supermen right? I still don't get it. Supergirl died in COIE's, yet she comes back later. I should buy the COIE's for 25 bucks to understand most of this.

A "quick" summation of Green Lantern history:

There have been five Green Lanterns from Earth, four of whom are part of the Green Lantern Corps. The first, Alan Scott, had a ring made of the magical emerald flame, though it served much the same purpose and use as the Oan power rings used by the Green Lantern Corps. After the death of Abin Sur, Hal Jordan was appointed Green Lantern of sector 2814 (Earth's sector). There was a period when the Guardians were dissatisfied with Hal Jordan, and appointed John Stewart the Green Lantern of sector 2814 (John is the Lantern in the Justice League/JLU series). After John Stewart retired, the Guardians appointed Hal Jordan's longtime companion Guy Gardner a Green lantern, saying that he was more worthy of the power ring than Jordan. This left sector 2814 with three green lanterns (Hal was referred to as 2814.1, John as 2814.2, and Guy as 2814.3. Alan Scott was given honorary membership into the Corps, but is not affiliated with them). After Hal Jordan's home city of Coast City was obliterated by Mongul and the insane Cyborg Superman, Hal Jordan lost his mind. After a reprimand from the Guardians, Hal went on the warpath to Oa, homeworld of the Lanterns, and killed many Green Lanterns along the way. Finally, Hal Jordan absorbed the power of the Central Power Batttery (the battery from which all Green Lanterns derive their power) and became the villain known as Parallax. Ganthet, the last surviving Guardian was empowered by the deaths of his brothers to find one last Green Lantern. That Lantern was Kyle Rayner, and Ganthet gave Kyle the last and most powerful Oan power ring. Kyle fought against Parallax many times, but eventually Parallax sacrificed himself in the event called Final Night in an attempt to reignite Earth's sun, an attempt that was successful. Hal Jordan then became the Spectre (the host to God's wrath on Earth), and Kyle set about reforming the Green Lantern Corps. Guy Gardner had been kicked out of the Green Lantern Corps for disobedience years before Jordan became Parallax, and John Stewart had been crippled in battle and surrended his ring because of it. Only recently, in the Green Lantern: Rebirth miniseries was Hal Jordan brought back to life, and John Stewart and Guy Gardner given power rings. Kyle Rayner also resurrected the Guardians of the Universe and reforged the Central Power Battery, paving the way for the newly resurgent Green Lantern Corps.

There are hundreds, maybe thousands of superheroes in the DC universe, but only a few ever join the prestigious Justice League of America. The lineup usually hovers around 7-20 members, with membership being expanded in times of crisis. The real rock of the Justice League is the Martian Manhunter, J'onn J'onzz, who has been with the League through all of its incarnations. Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are also longtime League members. The Justice League was formed by Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, the Martian Manhunter, the Flash (Barry Allen), Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Aquaman (Orin/Arthur Curry), and the Black Canary (Dinah Laurel Lance), with secret funding provided by Queen Industries (owned by Olliver Queen, the Green Arrow) and Wayne Enterprises.

Hope that helped you out!

 

[Batman the 6th]

Weren't there more than 20 heroes in JLU?

 

[bengus]

I wish Morrison would be writing the new Justice League of America and not Meltzer.

The JLA isn't about a ton of character moments. Most of the people in the book have their own series for those kinds of things. Morrison got it, that the JLA is all about action and big stories, and you put the character moments into the midst of that however you can. The JLA doesn't go down fighting Deathstroke, not when they fight Mageddon and the laws of probability and continent sized planet conquering starfish. That's the JLA, to me. The bigger the story, the better off the League is. Ellis got it too, from what I read of New Maps of Hell. "We're the Justice League. We've beaten up real gods and made them cry."

I'm gonna give the series a shot, because it's a new Justice League series and those always get a shot. I don't trust Meltzer to do the League the justice that it deserves, though.

Actually, it wasn't until Morrison made that idea cool again. For the longest time, a Justice League with Supes, Bats and WW was the Super Friends - which is why a lot of people didn't want to reunite the three in the League during the 80s. (my perception of course...)

Hell, people from school didn't want to touch my Justice League Rock of Ages ish then coz of that stigma, while they readily gorged into the Busiek Avengers.

That's why I'm gonna give this series a shot as well. Maybe it's time for a fresh Justice League makeover. I really liked 0 and the way they did it, it was definitely a change in doing things. I think they're taking cues from some of the character-driven JLU stuff. To be honest... I got tired of the earth-shattering-event-where-the-league-saves-the-day routine after awhile. I stopped after Terra Incognita collecting singles and started collecting trades (and cheaper reprints here in Asia) from then on.

I actually found the JLU tv series run a much fresher perspective of the League.