Kanye finally snapped!

[Hal_Jordan]

But you agree though that these words bring ill feelings towards their victims. I am not saying he was right, but I'm also not saying he was 100% wrong either. People react differently to hate crimes and he chose to act this way. I've said earlier I hope he gets assault charges. My argument was with people who felt the need to jump on the morality train and say there shouldn't have been any feelings in the first place because its "just a word". And the fact he reacted with violence to just a word, he is 100% to blame. While they showed pity for the man he attacked. That's absolutely moronic and socially ignorant to me.

I said that it's just a word, meaning that it's not a physical attack. It is just a word in that sense. The word can make you feel however it makes you feel. No one can tell another person how to feel. That being said, a person should still never resort to physical attacks just because some idiot said some words to them. They win when you do. They got exactly what they wanted from you.

Who is showing pity to the boy who was attacked? I'm just saying it's silly that he was even attacked. Especially the way he was attacked well after the incident. They are both idiots in this scenario.

 

[NickNitro]

I wasn't directly attacking anyone Hal. Just remembering back what I was reading in previous pages. There were people who said they felt bad for the kid.

 

[Hal_Jordan]

This is kind of like saying, you shouldn't be offended by someone spitting on you. Is it wrong to assault someone if they spit on you. Yes. Sometimes an altercation feels deeply personal though. And we view spitting on someone in some ways as worse than hitting them. That's how a lot of black people feel about the n-word. You can tell them, "well nobody hit you" but for many black people, they would see being assaulted as less of an insult than being called the n-word. *It's like that person spit on you. Tell people to not look at being spit on as insulting and see how easy it is to convince them that all they need to do is "not let it have power over them."

Spitting on someone is nothing like calling them a name. Not even close. They physically spit on you. Your personal space has been violated. And who knows what diseases they may carry, there's also that you HAVE to deal with.

 

[Hal_Jordan]

There's a lot to be said for knowing you have the compassion of your community and a shared understanding that people can at least give you the dignity of say, "Wow, that sucked. I'm sorry that happened to your family." When you never get that and people can't give you one minute to acknowledge that you were wronged, you get stuck in anger. It's not good or right. Minorities have a lot of hyper-tension over this stuff. It would be nice if people could just tryyyy to understand, cause sometimes that's all you need is somebody to say, "It was wrong." But they get too defensive and they won't...

I think the point being missed here, at least what I'm saying, is that OF COURSE it was wrong of the kid to say what he did, and he's a stupid racist, instigating prick. But it was also wrong of Kanye to take the bait and lose control to the point of attacking the stupid kid when he was in no danger at all. He actively went looking for this kid long after the altercation.

What if he chased this kid down, started losing the fight and then shot the kid in "self defense." Sounds a little too familiar to me.

 

[Pink Ranger]

t: So you're not actually promoting non-violence, you just want to be absolved of hitting them first...lol. I get that.

You sooo get me, it's scary. If you ever want to be involved in a loveless, celibate sham marriage to help my career for absolutely no gain on your part, give me a call.

Pacifists are almost as dangerous as pro-violence people, in some ways. If pacifism worked, police officers wouldn't carry guns, and we wouldn't need a military.

 

[charl_huntress]

The juxtaposition of race and gender comes into play in two ways. You assume I'm only talking about Kanye. Not true. I am also talking about the racist as well. Would the outcome be different if the racist with a young white girl? An old Chinese man? A latino drag queen? For what it's worth, I fully believe that if an 80-year old white lady said that to Kim, he'd hunt her down and punch her in the face 30 times too, because Kanye is an egalitarian man of principle but the juxtaposition ALSO comes into play when WE react and assign moral blameworthiness to his actions.

Now those are some interesting juxtapositions, and for what's it's worth I think I may agree with you about Kanye...lol. Yet, for me this begs the question of what blame is assigned to the person who uttered the racial slur? Blame is not a one-way street in this sort of scenario. This is the real world where people are accountable for what comes out of their mouth. You don't get a pass, or a license, to say whatever you feel like without paying some sort of consequence.

For instance, let's reverse genders. A white guy (or Persian guy, whatever) is married to a black woman. When she's not around, another white guy goes up to the white husband and calls him the same word. Equally applicable, as bad as it is. So the white husband runs to his black wife and says "that guy who walked into the building there said this horrible thing to me, what are you going to do about it?" What would the black woman's "understandable" reaction be to this?

I don't understand any of this. Why would another white person call another white person a "******". This scenario makes no sense to me.

 

[charl_huntress]

You sooo get me, it's scary. If you ever want to be involved in a loveless, celibate sham marriage to help my career for absolutely no gain on your part, give me a call.

lol...I'll keep that in mind, Pinkie! t:

Pacifists are almost as dangerous as pro-violence people, in some ways. If pacifism worked, police officers wouldn't carry guns, and we wouldn't need a military.

lol...there would never be any "*****" moments

 

[Pink Ranger]

I don't understand any of this. Why would another white person call another white person a "******". This scenario makes no sense to me.

Remember what happened: I am trying to replicate the same situation that happened to Kim Kardashian, which is very plausible. She wasn't called the n-word, she was called an "n-word lover" or something atrocious like that. Perfectly plausible situation in reverse. What if Kim was a white man married to a black female, that's what I'm saying.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Now those are some interesting juxtapositions, and for what's it's worth I think I may agree with you about Kanye...lol.

He'd write a song about it too: Whaling On Mrs. Kandinsky: Five Verses Or Less. It will go on to win 12 Grammys and an Oscar (for its use in the soundtrack to Captain America 3). Entertainment Weekly will laud it as "a tour de force, reinventing the hip hop genre to transcendant new levels: Kanye does it again!" The video for the single will involve trained dolphins and the cast of Cirque Du Soleil.

 

[charl_huntress]

Remember what happened: I am trying to replicate the same situation that happened to Kim Kardashian, which is very plausible. She wasn't called the n-word, she was called an "n-word lover" or something atrocious like that. Perfectly plausible situation in reverse. What if Kim was a white man married to a black female, that's what I'm saying.

Okay, it didn't make sense before because the scenario involved two white men, and the insult is directed at the white husband (Kim). To properly represent the situation IMO, the person who called my white husband a "****** lover" should be a white woman. If I my white husband needs my help defending himself against another man... we getting a divorce .

Now, I have a lot of friends who are married to white men. I myself am married to a big, dark skin black man who is a Marine. So I can't really put myself in this situation, but I doubt any of my "swirl-y" friends would go looking to kick tail if some random broad called their man a "****** lover"...but I would totally understand if they did and why they did it.

He'd write a song about it too: Whaling On Mrs. Kandinsky: Five Verses Or Less. It will go on to win 12 Grammys and an Oscar (for its use in the soundtrack to Captain America 3). Entertainment Weekly will laud it as "a tour de force, reinventing the hip hop genre to transcendant new levels: Kanye does it again!" The video for the single will involve trained dolphins and the cast of Cirque Du Soleil.

lol...You know he's going to write a song about this and this will be ratings darling for the reality show. So...I guess everyone wins here and no one loses...lol

 

[Pink Ranger]

Okay, it didn't make sense before because the scenario involved two white men, and the insult is directed at the white husband (Kim). To properly represent the situation IMO, the person who called my white husband a "****** lover" should be a white woman. If I my white husband needs my help defending himself against another man... we getting a divorce .

Granted, but that's part of the point I am trying to make. How much of our sense of right and wrong is not so much values-based, but based on the respective gender-race-social class combination of the participants.

lol...You know he's going to write a song about this and this will be ratings darling for the reality show. So...I guess everyone wins here and no one loses...lol

Except if the video involves Kim naked on a motorcycle again, we all lose.

 

[charl_huntress]

Granted, but that's part of the point I am trying to make. How much of our sense of right and wrong is not so much values-based, but based on the respective gender-race-social class combination of the participants.

Aren't those factors that determine your values though?

Except if the video involves Kim naked on a motorcycle again, we all lose.

LOL...He had her naked on a bike? I don't watch music videos, so this is news to me. t:

 

[Pink Ranger]

LOL...He had her naked on a bike? I don't watch music videos, so this is news to me. t:

Bound 2. It is the perfect manifesto of all that is Kanye: artistic pretension combined with B-grade sleaze.

 

[Cosmic]

We should think of what it must have been like for people who marched in peaceful protest for civil rights...and endured torrents of vicious insults, taunts and threats. Even endured brutal physical violence...sometimes by those who were sworn to protect them! I don't see those people as cowards. I believe they were highly dignified and enlightened. Sometimes you swallow your pride, and it doesn't make you a lesser man or woman, it makes you better than those who want to tear you down.

The kid who insulted them is a scumbag, but you can't stop people from speaking. People on the street and paparazzi will torment Kanye for the rest of his life, until he learns to respond in different ways than arguing with them and beating them up. Maybe it's time to grow up, seek therapy, change careers, and do something positive with all that money he's made by stringing together racial epithets and various other vulgarities.

 

[KevanG]

I was hoping there was an update that Kanye had been caught stalking the kid. Oh well.

 

[charl_huntress]

Meh...people have a lot of high and mighty talk, but you don't get off with talking ****. There's always a price to pay.

 

[The Batman]

Meh. All I see this as is yet another avenue for people to get their jollies off bashing KimYe.

 

[NickNitro]

Kill this thread, kill it with fire.

 

[Hal_Jordan]

Meh...people have a lot of high and mighty talk, but you don't get off with talking ****. There's always a price to pay.

Apparently there's also a price to pay for knocking on doors at night looking for help, so I'm not sure what your point is.

 

[Feenix]

Trolling is a lucrative business if your target happens to be Kanye West:

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2014/01/...ttlement-with-teen-over-alleged-attack-report

Over $250,000 for insulting Kim Kardashian. Nicely played.

 

[Teelie]

And we see why beating someone up is not the solution when someone insults you verbally.

 

[charl_huntress]

To live is to war with trolls.

Apparently there's also a price to pay for knocking on doors at night looking for help, so I'm not sure what your point is.

So what was your point in saying all this, Hal? What does that have to do with what we were talking about?

 

[The Endless]

The racist a-hole deserved a slap most definitely. A slap... not 40.

 

[Pink Ranger]

The racist a-hole deserved a slap most definitely. A slap... not 40.

38 at most.

 

[Erzengel]

You can make a living trolling famous celebrities trying to incur their wraith for a payout.