Superman Returns Kevin Smith Rips On Superman Returns

[Honey Vibe]

Kevin Smith IS the fat comic-book guy on the Simpsons

 

[CConn]

Yes. I am.

Then you realize the irony? Despite the two different mediums thing?

 

[Freddy_Krueger]

That is the same lazy logic Singer used. "Some kind of relationship at some point of time"? WTF is that? "The audience knows Superman's origin"? That assumes to much. Believe it or not, not everyone is a comic geek. Sure a lot of people know he flies and wears a cape, but how many people in the general public do you really think knows the specific details about his origin?

I don't think there's a single person who doesn't know Superman's origin. Seriously. I knew the origin before I had ever seen a single Superman film or picked up a Superman comic. It's pop culture. Everyone knows Vader is Luke's father, everyone knows Batman's parents were killed, and everyone knows Superman was from a doomed planet and sent to Earth.

I wouldn't call it lazy logic. For the story Singer wanted to tell, the return of a hero, there was no place to show Superman and Lois' past relationship. It's just common pop culture knowledge that he courts Lois and that they quite possibly bumped.

 

[newmexneon]

He has smoked him self ******ed if he thought X3 was better than Superman Returns.

 

[Showtime]

It's all a matter of opinion, he doesn't really have to be ******ed to think that.

 

[blind_fury]

Kevin Smith IS the fat comic-book guy on the Simpsons

lolz!

anyone who doesn't accept mediocre comic book movies = comic book guy

 

[CConn]

lolz!

anyone who doesn't accept mediocre comic book movies = comic book guy

Smith liked X3, so that definition's out the window.

 

[Superman-Prime]

Kevin Smith sucks, ALWAYS. I never care about him. His opinion about Superman Returns is ******ED.

 

[dude stannis]

Hey, Smith disliked the Burton Batman films too. Different strokes.

 

[blind_fury]

Smith liked X3, so that definition's out the window.

Correction, he simply enjoyed it more than Superman Returns.

That doesn't mean he's a huge fan of X3.

 

[blind_fury]

Hey, Smith disliked the Burton Batman films too. Different strokes.

He listed Batman (89) as one of his favorite comic book movies along with X2.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

SR had its flaws, but X3 a better film than SR?

Nay.

 

[blind_fury]

Well I notice the problems with Superman Returns alot more than X3 because I'm a huge fan of Donner's Superman. Kevin Smith wrote a script for Superman so he probably is going to scrutinize Singer's misteps alot more than the x-franchise.

 

[dude stannis]

He listed Batman (89) as one of his favorite comic book movies along with X2.

Really, he seemed to miss the point in prior interviews. Saying stuff like anyone could've worn the suit.

 

[Justice Bringer]

His complaint about sex in Superman II and the memory kiss has no validity. It was public knowledge from the start that SR wasnt a direct sequel, and certainly not to the 2nd film.

The idea that was adapted from SII was that Superman and Lois had some kind of romantic relationship in the past.

The dates on the newspaper articles that run on the DVD opening (from the original opening sequence of the film) prove the impossibility of Jason being conceived during Superman II. He was conceived some YEARS after that.

Additionally, the prequel comics retconned all the Zod stuff out of history. There isnt much left of Superman II in SR continuity, except for Lex figuring out where the FOS is.

 

[dark_b]

opinions are opinions.
he has a point when it comes to superman 2.

i forgive singer for this problems because it was hard to connect hes movie to the donner movie. now if the sequel is different then incredible. if hte sequel is nother homage then f... you.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

http://www.cinematical.com/2007/02/...smith-talks-superhero-death-wish-joel-siegel/

A tangential discussion also arose about the Superman Returns movie -- Smith admitted not liking it. "It was kind of....boring," he said, before launching into a diatribe on the lameness of Lex Luthor and the silliness of pitting a superhuman alien against a real-estate scam artist. "I'm gonna get a mortgage at .4 percent!" Smith joked. He said that X3 was better than Superman Returns, and also went off on another tangent, about supposed logic problems with the film.

According to Smith, the logic problems occur if you accept Bryan Singer's premise -- that Superman Returns picks up where the second film leaves off, with Superman having sex with Lois, then giving her an amnesia kiss and taking off to go find his relatives and whatnot. When Lois finds out her kid in Superman Returns can throw a piano, and is therefore Superman's kid, why is she not very surprised? She should have no memory of having sex with Superman, so when she visits him in the hospital, shouldn't her first question to him be -- Smith's words -- "When did you rape me?"​

Kevin Smith said X3 was better than SR? Okay he's entitled to his opinion, but he's just lost ALL credibility to me.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

SR had its flaws, but X3 a better film than SR?

Nay.

Agreed, X3 was trash

 

[ultimatefan]

Singer stated that the first movies where more of a vague history than a guideline - but I gotta say, his "when did you **** me?" statement on youtube is pretty funny... It´s kinda funny Smith - and some fanboys - say that it´s boring when they loved BB, which is often a slower and talkier movie than SR.

 

[charl_huntress]

Smith's a smart guy...I like him and he's totally right...100%

 

[buggs0268]

The only thing that really counts is Donner's film. Not Lester's film, not Donner's version of II. Just the first film. I used to think that Luthor's visiting the Fortress from II was canon, but considering his surprise at Jor-El, I think this is his first time.

But in the end, it doesn't matter. The film was made so that one wouldn't have to see the original film or its sequels.

Nope. Kitty tells Lex "It seems like you've been here before" so Superman 2 does count. But in either Lester's, or Donner's version, SR could never happen. In Donner's version, he turns back time to before they Lois was inseminated. In Lester's version, he was mortal, so his kid would have been mortal.

In either case, the movie never could have happened at all in the first place as it would have taken Supes tens of thousands of years to get to Krypton and back as it is established in STM canon (and also the laws of physics which STM acknowledged) that it took him thousands of your years to get from there to here to begin with, so it would have taken him double that, and when he got back it would have been thousands of years in the future.

And Singer had said it was a continuation of Superman 2 and will be the new Superman 3. It was only when he wanted to keep the kid being Supe's hidden that he started saying it wasn't. But, as I have said previously, when he got the job of directing SR before Spacey was cast, but rumored to be in talks to play Luthor on either ET or Access Hollywood, Spacey said (paraphrasing from memory)

"I am glad he is finally getting to do it. Bryan would tell anyone who would listen to him on the set of films that I have either worked or visited about his idea of a sequel to Superman 2."

It is a sequel to Superman 2. Even the writers said so at that NYU thing when they first got the job.

 

[Matt]

Singer stated that the first movies where more of a vague history than a guideline

Singer said that in interviews with mediums the general public never touches. Giving Bluetights the scoop on that isn't exactly a way to reach a broad audience. Its understandable how people could be confused. Besides, "a vague history" is just that...vague. Singer picked and choose what he wanted and didn't so it would suit him instead of either doing a full on sequel or creating his own universe, and that my friend...is lazy film making.

- but I gotta say, his "when did you **** me?" statement on youtube is pretty funny... It´s kinda funny Smith - and some fanboys - say that it´s boring when they loved BB, which is often a slower and talkier movie than SR.

But you can't compare the two characters. Batman is a human being where as Superman is a man who can do practically anything. People expect Batman to be darker, heavier on plot, etc. Superman however had the potential to be a fun, action filled blockbuster (and yes, those can still have good characters and plot)...and even if Batman is slower, that doesn't make it boring. There is a gianormous difference between slow and boring.

That being said, my problem wasn't the lack of action. It was an incoherent plot, a boring narrative, and unlikable characters that killed it for me.

 

[Super Kal]

well, buggs, you can always think of it this way... SR is the new Superman 3. it was just as bad and just as dark as drunk Superman.

 

[Matt]

Also, is it really necessary for a lot of you to be calling Smith fat or stupid? He gave his opinion...its no reason to insult him.

And whoever said that he will never be a Bryan Singer...I don't think Smith wants to be a Bryan Singer. He likes doing small movies set in his universe. Not everyone wants to be doing big budget, studio supervised, franchises. Besides, Chasing Amy, Clerks, and Dogma alone are ten times better than all of Singer's movies combined.

 

[buggs0268]

Also, is it really necessary for a lot of you to be calling Smith fat or stupid? He gave his opinion...its no reason to insult him.

And whoever said that he will never be a Bryan Singer...I don't think Smith wants to be a Bryan Singer. He likes doing small movies set in his universe. Not everyone wants to be doing big budget, studio supervised, franchises. Besides, Chasing Amy, Clerks, and Dogma alone are ten times better than all of Singer's movies combined.

Did you expect anything different. This ha been the typical response from anyone in the film communtiy who has responded unfavorably to SR. The writer of POTC2 and others. Somehow they are all idiots or jealous, even when the film they wrote spanked SR at the boxoffice. There are too many people here (not all the SR likers, but the bulk of them) who can't take any criticism of SR. It is like it hurts them at the very core of their soul, and this is the only thing they can do to lash out and defend/protect their beloved SR.