Kinberg talks X3 & X4

[Warhammer]

As long as Rothman's gone, that's all I care about.
Rothman and him only. Lauren can learn from past mistakes like Wolverine being the main star, twice.

Thought about it and X-films wouldn't really be anything without Donner.

 

[BMM]

Everyone in the theatre I was at was enjoying the film and not worrying about Cyclops as if they give a crap. Most of the audience never read an X-Men book in their life, and most of the kids know nothing of the Phonenix saga no matter how inudnated one might be here with that info.

Somehow, I doubt looking at the backs of people's heads in a theatre reveals their feelings regarding a character's death . . . Regardless of person's prior knowledge regarding the X-Men, it still doesn't change the fact that Cyclops' death was poorly executed. It was poorly done no matter what.

 

[Farren]

I don't think that Simon's intended emotions regarding Phoenix killing Cyclops were really felt, by ANYONE.

I think I speak for most everyone when I say...

I felt it was STUPID not having Cyclops around for the Phoenix Saga.

I didn't feel "OH DAMN! SHE KILLED SCOTT! WHAT WILL SHE DO NEXT!"

I, along with everyone else in the theatre, was rolling my eyes at how they could **** that part of the story up so badly (and "they" could be Fox, or whoever was respnsible for that particular decision)

Idunno about everyone, but you certainly speak for me.

 

[Optic Rage]

What a godam liar.

Im going to have to make a thread for this.

 

[lordofthenerds]

No X4, just Emma Frost, Xavier's Mansion, Wolverine, and every other lame X-Men spin-off you can imagine.

 

[Farren]

o, btw, did Simon ever answer Q's at xverse?

 

[Optic Rage]

No.

And now we have proof that he lied to us...repeatedly.

I swear i am never paying to see anything with his name on it ever again.

 

[lordofthenerds]

o, btw, did Simon ever answer Q's at xverse?

No he wimped out.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

he's a dick.

 

[Farren]

Bummer...I really liked reading his answers before, and I left him more Q's than Zak because of it.

*wags fist*

 

[Advanced Dark]

Somehow, I doubt looking at the backs of people's heads in a theatre reveals their feelings regarding a character's death . . . Regardless of person's prior knowledge regarding the X-Men, it still doesn't change the fact that Cyclops' death was poorly executed. It was poorly done no matter what.

Oh give me a break. Like that's all you see in a theatre during a movie like this. The entire film there were kids screaming, people clapping, laughing athe funny moments, & gasping at the action sequences, and applauding at the end. It was a blast and people were enjoying themselves and the clapping at the end and the other emotions tell the story.

Remove the stick please.

 

[lordofthenerds]

Oh give me a break. Like that's all you see in a theatre during a movie like this. The entire film there were kids screaming, people clapping, laughing athe funny moments, & gasping at the action sequences, and applauding at the end. It was a blast and people were enjoying themselves and the clapping at the end and the other emotions tell the story.

Remove the stick please.

I agree actually. Cyclops dying early and somewhat poorly is a flaw, but it really shouldn't ruin the whole movie for people.

 

[BMM]

Oh give me a break. Like that's all you see in a theatre during a movie like this. The entire film there were kids screaming, people clapping, laughing athe funny moments, & gasping at the action sequences, and applauding at the end. It was a blast and people were enjoying themselves and the clapping at the end and the other emotions tell the story.

Remove the stick please.

That's all fine and well, but I don't recall saying that you don't see any of those things in a movie. I believe I was only responding to your assumption regarding the audience's feelings toward Cyclops and not the rest of X3 . . . Perhaps, such a lack of reaction aids in the notion that Cyclops' death was poorly handled . . .

 

[fallenAngel]

Oh give me a break. Like that's all you see in a theatre during a movie like this. The entire film there were kids screaming, people clapping, laughing athe funny moments, & gasping at the action sequences, and applauding at the end. It was a blast and people were enjoying themselves and the clapping at the end and the other emotions tell the story.

Remove the stick please.

I saw it at a midnight showing that was sold out and there was no clapping ever. Some laughter, some booing as well. For the most part though, just dead silence.

Your expirience isn't neccesarily the model for everyone elses. The first thing said by most people at the end was, that wasn't as good as the other two.

 

[MoviesKickAss]

Your expirience isn't neccesarily the model for everyone elses

Remember That Advanced Dark Remember That

 

[X-Maniac]

I have not seen or heard ANY reaction to the death of Cyclops from anyone beyond this forum. No one at work commented on it, no one at any of the three different cinemas I've seen it at so far, not one single audible/visible reaction.

That's not to say that it was not badly handled - the lack of mourning over his death was the giveaway that he was being swept aside - but the mainstream moviegoer did not seem to notice it as a bad thing.

The only negative reaction or questions i heard was:
1) Why did Magneto have to move a bridge (which is obvious - he's a terrorist and terrorists destroy things to make their point; and also it was a symbolic gesture of removing bridges between humans and mutants. He makes grand gestures, as when in X1 he tore open the train rather than opening the door to get on board)
2) Why didn't they shoot the cure at Jean (which they DID - and she disintegrated it...)
3) Someone at work didn't like some of the dialogue (mostly Magneto's 'What have I done?')

I heard no one mention the logistical problems with travel (how Angel got to SF, how the Brotherhood got there, where the forest base was), I heard no one mention the absence of Cerebro, I heard no one mention the movie being short or with bad pacing. I heard no one saying it was terrible that Cyclops died.

And I've heard the reaction of dozens of people. As well as everyone in three cinemas, there are many, many people at work or in my social circle who has seen the movie.

Personally, i enjoyed the movie, and some extended scenes of dialogue, a better treatment of Cyclops and some clearing up of the logistical/travel issues (even as simple as showing us a feather or two on the floor of the X-jet as it travelled to SF) would have made it even better. As well as the Phoenix firebird aura in three key scenes - the emergence from the lake, the house scene, and the final scene of destructiveness. Plus that Storm tidal wave!

 

[tonytr1687]

So they killed off Cyke just so the audience could be scared of Phoenix? There are a million other better ways they could have accomplished that.

 

[WorthyStevens]

I have not seen or heard ANY reaction to the death of Cyclops from anyone beyond this forum. No one at work commented on it, no one at any of the three different cinemas I've seen it at so far, not one single audible/visible reaction.

I haven't talked to too many people about the movie, but when I went to see it the first time with some buddies, they all said that what happened to Cyclops sucks.

 

[lordofthenerds]

So they killed off Cyke just so the audience could be scared of Phoenix? There are a million other better ways they could have accomplished that.

That's just Kinberg's excuse.

 

[josh8]

Nell's right in that even though the general audience doesnt care about what happens to cyke, it was still a bad decision on the moviemakers' part.

as for my experience with that plot point... NO ONE that i've talked to about the movie mentioned what happened to cyclops as being wrong or weird. and my friends all have good to great knowledge of the x-men (all have seen the cartoons, and a few plus my brother used to read comics). the major criticism i got was that the movie was short and it didnt 'wow' them.

anyways, about singer. when he left to do superman, i was 100% sure that it also meant he was leaving the franchise. he's one of those creater/director types and i dont think he would touch the x-men after someone else has dipped their fingers in it. and anyone saying that FOX should have waited for him are being rediculous. even if he were to agree to it, he takes so long to make movies that x3 wouldnt have been out until 2008 (or even 2011 if he decided to make SR2).

if they continue the franchise, i say dump kinberg and penn. they may be huge fans, but they're amateur writers at best. i know FOX wouldnt trust joss whedon to direct the movie, but maybe they'd let him turn in a script and see if they like it. he's proven his writing skills TIME AND TIME AGAIN. as for the director...i dunno. they'll probably ask brett again, but i'd rather have a smarter director. haha like matthew vaughn. i really wish we could know what he would have done with X3. anyone can do action, it takes skill to make a thoughful movie (watch 'layer cake'. it's visually stylish and nicely plotted and paced. and made for dirt cheap prices).

 

[MoviesKickAss]

Nell's right in that even though the general audience doesnt care about what happens to cyke

That is becase they dont read the Comics they dont know / care outside of what they see in the Movies

 

[josh8]

That is becase they dont read the Comics they dont know / care outside of what they see in the Movies

that wasnt my point. that was a setup for what i said directly after.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Remember That Advanced Dark Remember That

I understand that but I know dozens of people (non-comic book readers) who loved the film and the only people I know who had problems with it were comic book fans, and a majority of them enjoyed it enough to see it twice.

 

[MoviesKickAss]

but I know dozens of people (non-comic book readers) who loved the film and the only people I know who had problems with it were comic book fans, and a majority of them enjoyed it enough to see it twice.

So just because YOU know dozens of non comic book readers & comic book fans that liked it enough to see it twice EVERYONE ELSE DOES

 

[josh8]

So just because YOU know dozens of non comic book readers & comic book fans that liked it enough to see it twice EVERYONE ELSE DOES

firstly, i actually did see x3 twice in the theater (the only movie i've ever paid twice to see) and that was because my friend needed someone to go with her.

but besides that, i dont know anyone that EVER sees movies twice no matter how much they like it (unless its a favor or to take kids or something). maybe it's just me, but that's been my experience my whole life.

well anyways, i think the general consensus from the people that i know is that the movie is ok. i havent heard anyone say that it was so good or so bad.