Kinect and it's effects on the WORLD.

The 360's place among the other two platforms really depends on how well Kinect takes off. It's been featured on Oprah and Ellen and all those other shows that housewives watch, the very same housewives that put the Wii in the position that it's in.

Based on everything I've seen, I would guess that Kinect will be a hot item this Xmas and that's it. Two years from now and you'll have forgotten this thing ever existed. However, and this is a BIG "however", you can't account for how the housewives and casuals will effect it's popularity.

Now, assuming for a second that they do grab onto it, I'm guessing it will be like the first couple of years of the Wii. The hardware will be a pretty big success, but the attach rate will be abysmal.
 
I agree Kinect will be a big seller, but I'm not sure it'll be as big as a lot of internet chat is making it out to be. It's complicated as Microsoft is such a mixed bag around the world. The PS3's sales surge, and Move being more or less a sales success has to do with Sony and Playstation's world profile. The 360 still beats the PS3 in the US, but loses to it everywhere else, which is causing the PS3 to beat the 360 by enough that it's closed the gap from 5 million to 2.9 million in, what, half a year? The US may be the most powerful gaming market, but not as much as the rest of the world combined.

I think, much like the 360, Kinect will see strong US sales. I think they'll start big, in the millions, and die down a bit, but stay steady and show legs for atleast a year. It's the rest of the world I see Kinect struggling in. If only the US is buying it, and Europe (mainly the UK) to a much less extent, Kinect could lose half of it's potential sales. With Kinect's voice recognition being locked in most of the world, and many countries paying much more than we are in the US for it, you're going to see areas that Microsoft has trouble selling to already being even more reluctant to buy.

As for Oprah, I do think the half a billion advertising onslaught will have an impact. However I think it'll be an impact in the US where Kinect is already a guaranteed seller, and also believe you can't always force hype. I'm not going to give anecdotal evidence, or act like I know something no one else does, it's all just my guessing. I just think the Wii hit some unholy nerve with mainstream audiences, and as seen by slowing Wii sales, that same audience isn't buying it as much anymore. The Wii was at the right place at the right time, and hit the right casual nerve. Kinect is coming in at the tail end of this, after Wii sales have slowed, at a high price, chasing after that same crowd that's not buying Wii's like they used to, and not buying many third party Wii games in the first place.

Kinect very well could see a 3.5 million launch that tops Move's 2.5 launch month, and maybe do another 1.5 million before year's end to reach 5 million. I don't think however it'll hit Microsoft's 8 million target. Nor do I think either it or Move will even get more than a 30% attach rate compared to the consoles they are on totals sold. I said earlier that I thought they'd both hit 10 million total, with Kinect having more of an explosive start and dying quicker, and Move being a slow starter but having better legs. However Move has surprised me, so I know I could very well be wrong. Maybe both will reach even 20 million. I just think the internet has far too high of expectations for Kinect sales, and much of the Move followings was wrong on both sides with the pro-Mover's putting it's sales too high, and the anti-Move's putting it's sales way too low. I think at the very least both Sony and Microsoft will see a profit on both products, I just don't think either is the next Wii, nor will see Wii like sales at it's high points.
 
ProjectPat2280 said:
Um, so? Besides the stock holders, who the hell cares? The xbox isnt going any where, regardless if it falls to last place. Playstation has been in
''last place" this entire generation and is a great system, while on the other hand the Wii sells out the ass and imo, is a piece of junk. God i hope we get a one console generation soon. Fanboy arguments are so damn annoying.
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I agree about fanboy arguments being annoying (not saying anyone on here is making one, just speaking in general), but no way in hell would I ever want a one console generation lol. Competition breeds stronger products, if only Nintendo survived the SNES/Genesis war and no one ever competed against them, I probably would have dropped gaming years ago...or stuck with computer only gaming.


Also agreeing that it doesn't matter who's in what place. PS3 was in last place this entire time, and still is putting out some amazing content. I'm a very happy PS3 owner, to the point that it's my favorite gaming generation, even despite the lack of numerous good RPG's like we've seen in previous generations. My interesting mainly pertains to, A.) just having good discussions about a passtime I enjoy on a message board whose main purpose is talking about things we all enjoy lol, and B.) because a healthy Sony means a continued influx of good games for my PS3. Just like a healthy Nintendo means a good stream of games for my DS and a potential purchase of a future Nintendo console. Just like a healthy Microsoft means my friends who own 360's will be happy with their purchase, and Microsoft can continue to challenge Sony to make a better product. All 3 being healthy is good for all gamers, even if we don't like all systems equally.

I just happen to not be a Kinect fan, nor think it'll be the second coming like it's been hailed by by many since it's unveiling (again, just look at the title of the thread). However it has nothing to do with wanting it to do bad, nor anything against the 360 itself. We're just all having good discussion, I wouldn't get too worked up one way or the other.
 
FadingCB said:
I agree about fanboy arguments being annoying, but no way in hell would I ever want a one console generation lol. Competition breeds stronger products, if only Nintendo survived the SNES/Genesis war and no one ever competed against them, I probably would have dropped gaming years ago...or stuck with computer only gaming.


Also agreeing that it doesn't matter who's in what place. PS3 was in last place this entire time, and still is putting out some amazing content. I'm a very happy PS3 owner, to the point that it's my favorite gaming generation, even despite the lack of numerous good RPG's like we've seen in previous generations. My interesting mainly pertains to, A.) just having good discussions about a passtime I enjoy on a message board whose main purpose is talking about things we all enjoy lol, and B.) because a healthy Sony means a continued influx of good games for my PS3. Just like a healthy Nintendo means a good stream of games for my DS and a potential purchase of a future Nintendo console. Just like a healthy Microsoft means my friends who own 360's will be happy with their purchase, and Microsoft can continue to challenge Sony to make a better product. All 3 being healthy is good for all gamers, even if we don't like all systems equally.

I just happen to not be a Kinect fan, nor think it'll be the second coming like it's been hailed by by many since it's unveiling (again, just look at the title of the thread). However it has nothing to do with wanting it to do bad, nor anything against the 360 itself. We're just all having good discussion, I wouldn't get too worked up one way or the other.
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I dont see any of that changing, regardless of what "place" a system falls to. I havent seen ANYTHING worth playing on the Wii and its "leading the console race". Most of the games i play are multiplatform any way and thats not changing. I think i have 3 or 4 exclusives for each console and besides Uncharted, i couldnt care less if those exclusives disappeared. So i think the argument over which system finishes where has always been really stupid and its completely irrelevant and only creates stupid fanboy fights.

Kinect can come out and absolutely tank and force MS into the basement and i guarantee you nothing will really change. Gears of War will still come out to sell 4plus million copies. Call of Duty will still release on the 360 etc etc etc.
 
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ProjectPat2280 said:
I dont see any of that changing, regardless of what "place" a system falls to. I havent seen ANYTHING worth playing on the Wii and its "leading the console race". Most of the games i play are multiplatform any way and thats not changing. I think i have 3 or 4 exclusives for each console and besides Uncharted, i couldnt care less if those exclusives disappeared. So i think the argument over which system finishes where has always been really stupid and its completely irrelevant and only creates stupid fanboy fights.

Kinect can come out and absolutely tank and force MS into the basement and i guarantee you nothing will really change. Gears of War will still come out to sell 4plus million copies. Call of Duty will still release on the 360 etc etc etc.

I guess im getting burned out on the fanboy war. I work with two Sony fanboys and it wasnt that bad but now that our ASM has left the store(he was a MS fanboy) all i hear about is how great Sony is, its annoying.
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You have it lucky, try working with someone obsessed with World of Warcraft :(. If I hadn't had played the game for awhile and understood some of what he was talking about, I would have went insane. I swear, it's ALL the guy talks about. He's not afraid to go into each...and every....little....minute detail of where he is in game, what gear he wants, number crunching damage, what his guild's up to. Lol, it's torture, I just happen to be (or try to be) a nice guy, so I just politely nod and listen, and occasionally try to change the topic to something actually interesting lol.
 
I slightly favor my Xbox... but mostly for online gaming... which I honestly haven't done much of lately. I enjoy every system out there, Microsoft for the big online games and it's exclusives like Halo and Fable. Sony for the technology behind the machine and it's exclusives (as well as most single player games) and the Wii for nostalgia.
 
Soapy said:
The 360's place among the other two platforms really depends on how well Kinect takes off. It's been featured on Oprah and Ellen and all those other shows that housewives watch, the very same housewives that put the Wii in the position that it's in.

Based on everything I've seen, I would guess that Kinect will be a hot item this Xmas and that's it. Two years from now and you'll have forgotten this thing ever existed. However, and this is a BIG "however", you can't account for how the housewives and casuals will effect it's popularity.

Now, assuming for a second that they do grab onto it, I'm guessing it will be like the first couple of years of the Wii. The hardware will be a pretty big success, but the attach rate will be abysmal.
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Pack-in software is a double edged sword. Like Wii-Sports, MS is pushing Kinect Adventures hard as the reason to buy Kinect. Unfortunately though, once customers buy it they might not see the point in buying more games, much like what happened with Wii. Lots of people were content just owning Wii for the Wii Sports pack-in disc, and many others only experimented with a few other titles at best. The same could potentially happen with Kinect. A housewife buys Kinect because the Kinect rafting game looks fun, but she is not into it enough that she would consider buying additional software.
 
It's fun, it has a long way to go to be amazing. I'm looking forward to the future games.
 
My sister and I are going in on a Kinect. I'll post some impressions later once it's set up.
 
This seems fun for families, but I still am going to wait and see what they do with other games
 
the games are getting decent enough reviews so good for MS.
 
Havok83 said:
the games are getting decent enough reviews so good for MS.
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I'm still not sure if I want to pick up a game or not. My sister wants that kinectanimals game but I am NOT buying that. Maybe Dance Central?
 
Dance Central is the only game that looks like someone who isnt over the age of 12 would enjoy. I cant see the rest holding much interest with someone thats serious about gaming
 
Seems that while the games are good, the hardware itself at 150 bucks is a very hard sell.

Duh.

Kinect should have sold at around 80... if that.
 
Havok83 said:
Dance Central is the only game that looks like someone who isnt over the age of 12 would enjoy. I cant see the rest holding much interest with someone thats serious about gaming
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Yea I'm not looking for anythin too "hardcore" but something that a lot of ppl can play, either when we have parties or when we take the Kinect home for the holidays
 
My 2 cents and very personal opinion.

Sony and Microsoft, absolutely thinking about $$$, definitely rushed both of their idiotic motion-based products just to compete with the Wii.

For the most part, they just want to have a gimmick that allows them to say "Hey, I can do that too! Buy me instead!", but they're not thinking about the quality of the product.

Make no mistake...regardless of any "We're all about the hardcore gamer!" words they utter, it's clear that they're after the 100% casual crowd; you know, the one that's happy by just flailing their arms all over the place and seeing this action poorly reflected on the screen.

Expect much more of this kind of thinking in the following months/years.
 
my only current complaints with Kinect is that it really requires that it can see the floor, have good lighting, and be at least 6' away from you to register your movements correctly. I have it situated on light stand with in front of my flat screen; there's a couch right in its way so it can't see the floor but it can see every other angle. The rest of the couch is situated so that I must be right behind it for the sensor to detect my hand movement correctly and not glitch off screen.
 
블라스;19167238 said:
My 2 cents and very personal opinion.

Sony and Microsoft, absolutely thinking about $$$, definitely rushed both of their idiotic motion-based products just to compete with the Wii.

For the most part, they just want to have a gimmick that allows them to say "Hey, I can do that too! Buy me instead!", but they're not thinking about the quality of the product.

Make no mistake...regardless of any "We're all about the hardcore gamer!" words they utter, it's clear that they're after the 100% casual crowd; you know, the one that's happy by just flailing their arms all over the place and seeing this action poorly reflected on the screen.

Expect much more of this kind of thinking in the following months/years.
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I agree to an extent, but after my time spent with Kinect(and Move for that matter), i dont think they are gimmicks. They both work really well and have a LOT of upside. I think Kinect has more potential to be a revolutionary piece of hardware vs the Move and Wii tho.

Kinect is a very neat device. As of now, the options are limited to basically just scrolling around the Kinect Hub which only has like 4 options worth clicking on, but the device works really well, altho im SUPER pissed i cant use Kinect in Netflix(please let them add that feature in). The device was easily able to distinguish between my sister and myself. Scrolling from one menu to the other is just neat. Its VERY much like Minority Report. Being able to ditch a remote is always welcome. With my setup, i have a remote for the tv, the surround sound and my remote for the xbox, so being able to ditch that xbox remote while listening to LastFM is just cool. If i happen to be out of the Kinects line of site, well then i can just tell it i want it to skip to the next track, something the Move and Wii cannot do. But the Kinect can locate you even if you are off to the left or right of it. Our couch is situated to tleft of our TV and Kinect was still able to locate me. IGN mentioned this as well, but I wouldnt be the LEAST bit surprised to see that Bioware takes advantage of the microphone for the next Mass Effect title, theres some neat things that can be done with it. Like i said, there is some MAJOR upside to this piece of equipment, basically anything the Wii and Move can do, the Kinect can do as well. Ppl complain that you cant use Kinect for a hardcore game, but you very well could. Just combine the Kinect sensor with the standard game pad and you have everything you need.

Like i said, the potential for this device is damn near limitless. Now the question is, does Microsoft care? Do they care to implement Kinect into titles like halo, call of duty? Or do they just want to go the Wii route and just keep pushing out Wii Wii Dance Party Revolution 15?
 
ProjectPat2280 said:
I agree to an extent, but after my time spent with Kinect(and Move for that matter), i dont think they are gimmicks. They both work really well and have a LOT of upside. I think Kinect has more potential to be a revolutionary piece of hardware vs the Move and Wii tho.

Kinect is a very neat device. As of now, the options are limited to basically just scrolling around the Kinect Hub which only has like 4 options worth clicking on, but the device works really well, altho im SUPER pissed i cant use Kinect in Netflix(please let them add that feature in). The device was easily able to distinguish between my sister and myself. Scrolling from one menu to the other is just neat. Its VERY much like Minority Report. Being able to ditch a remote is always welcome. With my setup, i have a remote for the tv, the surround sound and my remote for the xbox, so being able to ditch that xbox remote while listening to LastFM is just cool. If i happen to be out of the Kinects line of site, well then i can just tell it i want it to skip to the next track, something the Move and Wii cannot do. But the Kinect can locate you even if you are off to the left or right of it. Our couch is situated to tleft of our TV and Kinect was still able to locate me. IGN mentioned this as well, but I wouldnt be the LEAST bit surprised to see that Bioware takes advantage of the microphone for the next Mass Effect title, theres some neat things that can be done with it. Like i said, there is some MAJOR upside to this piece of equipment, basically anything the Wii and Move can do, the Kinect can do as well. Ppl complain that you cant use Kinect for a hardcore game, but you very well could. Just combine the Kinect sensor with the standard game pad and you have everything you need.

Like i said, the potential for this device is damn near limitless. Now the question is, does Microsoft care? Do they care to implement Kinect into titles like halo, call of duty? Or do they just want to go the Wii route and just keep pushing out Wii Wii Dance Party Revolution 15?
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**** and No.....leave it to the silly party games and it can be a fun little diversion

keep it away from serious gaming
 
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