Kinect and it's effects on the WORLD.

I´m surprissed, i really am, the reviews are better than i thought (i mean the games, not the peripheral).
And it will be a sucess, i can see it now.
Why?
Because of MS biggest asset, their checkbook; and, in turn...the morons, or if you want, weak minded people.
I don´t want to offend anyone that bought Kinect (or is thinking about it) as there are always exceptions, but that´s exactly the target audience of Kinect (of course, i don´t mean kids that want one).
MS Modus operandi is the buy everything up (hence their checkbook being their biggest asset), from exclusives to timely exclusives, to timely DLC to...people´s affection.
Oprah, Ellen, Time Square, Justin Bieber....that´s exactly that, to buy consumer´s "love", and they know that sucess sells for the weak minded (if something is a sucess, i want one).
They even go to the ridiculous of giving prizes to the crowd lining up in Time Square; or giving free copies of Kinect Sports, Kinect Joy Ride and one-year subscription to Xbox Live Gold for the first 3,000 Kinect buyers....who said people don´t have a price?
Remember Tim Burton´s Batman, the Joker´s parade; this is the same thing, only MS is not the Joker.

I said it once and i say it again, of all motion controls, Kinect is the best...at least, the one with the biggest potential.
Will it live up to it?
Personally, i doubt it...i really doubt that Microsoft cares enough, so, this is as good as it gets.
Kinect is made with a specific target audience in mind and that audience just wants to jump around, so, i don´t see MS trying to make it more than it is, the E3 showed exactly what Kinect would be, and quality was not their main goal, money is.
Maybe in the next gen, when Kinect 2.0 gets released we will see a better product

With the all buy of Canesta, i see, in years, MS looking at the future, which is great for the company, but, until they get rid of the bad seeds, i really see no future for the company.
Ballmer, Mattrick and Phil Spencer need to go...fast.

Back to Kinect.
The reviews are fairly good, not the best, but good nontheless, and with PS Move starting to have bad reviews on games (The Fights, a game that should have been perfect, as awful reviews), i see it selling pretty well.

Now, if you ask me, what would i buy between PS Move and Kinect, i would say Kinect, in a heartbeat.
First i already have a Wii (it might be better, but at this point is nothing more than a glorified Wii), second, Kinect look better.
Even so, i will probably get the PS Move as i´m planing on buying a PS3 at the end of the month, and there is a good chance i´ll buy the Move bundle (the price is not that big of a diference).
 
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**** and No.....leave it to the silly party games and it can be a fun little diversion

keep it away from serious gaming

Thats a pretty naive way of thinking. We've seen how the Wii type controller can make some games better(Resident Evil 4), there are ways they could implement Kinect to better an experience. Just because Kinect can work without a controller, doesnt mean it has to. MS has stated there are games that will come out that will use both. Kinect could be used like TrackIR for head tracking(which for flight sims or racing titles is awesome). Theres a lot of potential here. The only question is will they capitalize on it.
 
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Isildur´s Heir;19168084 said:
Because of MS biggest asset, their checkbook; and, in turn...the morons, or if you want, weak minded people.
I don´t want to offend anyone that bought Kinect (or is thinking about it) as there are always exceptions, but that´s exactly the target audience of Kinect (of course, i don´t mean kids that want one).


So, minus the people that just think Kinect is a neat idea, minus the kids who want to get off the couch and jump around while playing games and minus the families that want a gaming device that is fairly simple to use, those that buy Kinect are morons? Just exactly who does that leave? It's like you are trying to be condescending, but you aren't sure you want to offend anybody.
 
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블라스;19167678 said:
You put it way better than I did.
I've no doubt great things could be done with it, but will they?


I think it'll come down to sales. If Kinect sells the way MS is projecting, then i think future support for the title is a given. However, if the sales fall short or they deem Kinect to not be as big an item as anticipated, then i think they could end up pulling back that support. Hopefully they see the potential regardless. Id also assume it'll be up to the individual developers on rather or not they implement Kinect functionality.
 
Thats a pretty naive way of thinking. We've seen how the Wii type controller can make some games better(Resident Evil 4), there are ways they could implement Kinect to better an experience. Just because Kinect can work without a controller, doesnt mean it has to. MS has stated there are games that will come out that will use both. Kinect could be used like TrackIR for head tracking(which for flight sims or racing titles is awesome). Theres a lot of potential here. The only question is will they capitalize on it.

What ways? Aside from using it to navigate the in-game menus (which sounds so silly to me) and head tracking, what are these limitless possibilities you see with the thing?

I have yet to hear a good way that Kinect could be implemented into a game like Halo or Gears.
 
What ways? Aside from using it to navigate the in-game menus (which sounds so silly to me) and head tracking, what are these limitless possibilities you see with the thing?

I have yet to hear a good way that Kinect could be implemented into a game like Halo or Gears.

I think head tracking would be a great addition to any FPS. Its why TrackIR is popular amongst the PC crowd, it can create a deeper level of authenticity. Kinect could be used to do the same thing. Voice commands could also be implemented in to some titles, IGN mentioned the Mass Effect series. It's just up to the devs to create an experience with the device. Basically anything that is neat about the Wii or Move, can be done with Kinect and then some. Not saying that means everyone needs to run and out buy the device. Some will always want to just lay on their couch and press buttons.
 
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Voice command can be implemented already with a headset. Endwar was a game already released built completely around that
 
Voice command can be implemented already with a headset. Endwar was a game already released built completely around that

Did i say voice inputs were only available with Kinect? Im pretty sure i didnt. As IGN pointed out, thats one of the things it could bring to titles. Most of the stuff Kinect does can be found in other devices, just not in the single package like Kinect. Im not saying Kinect will take over gaming, but those who keep knocking it either because they are Sony fans or because they just dont want anything messing with their control pads just need to pipe down for a bit or at least until the actually try it out. The general opinion, from those who have actually used the system(not just read and watched previews) seems to be that there is some room for development with the device. It'll be interesting to see what comes in the near future imo.
 
Im just saying thats not a unique feature that it brings to the table. The head tracking sets it apart and can offer an incentive to purchase. The voice commands? Thats something gamers can already do with the equipment they already own
 
Im just saying thats not a unique feature that it brings to the table. The head tracking sets it apart and can offer an incentive to purchase. The voice commands? Thats something gamers can already do with the equipment they already own


Kinect can perform that tho, which is why I and sites like IGN brought it up.

IGN said it best:

It isn't that the technology is particularly revolutionary -- in fact, most of the components can be found in existing products – it is how they've been implemented.

Microsoft has paired an RGB VGA camera with a resolution of 640 x 480, a depth sensor of the same resolution, and a multi-array microphone into a single peripheral that can gauge distance and motion, digitally map a 3D space, and even visually recognize players and accept voice commands; and it does it all in real time.
 
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I think head tracking would be a great addition to any FPS. Its why TrackIR is popular amongst the PC crowd, it can create a deeper level of authenticity. Kinect could be used to do the same thing. Voice commands could also be implemented in to some titles, IGN mentioned the Mass Effect series. It's just up to the devs to create an experience with the device. Basically anything that is neat about the Wii or Move, can be done with Kinect and then some. Not saying that means everyone needs to run and out buy the device. Some will always want to just lay on their couch and press buttons.

So, you're looking for the basically functionality of the Konami Laser Scope?
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I just can't think of an experience that I could have that would sell me on Kinect.

I'm watching the Giant Bomb coverage of Kinect from earlier today and so far I see things that I'd try and do for an hour or so, but I don't see anything that's worth the 150+ dollar investment. Though, it was pretty funny when Jeff lifted his hand just out of Kinect's view and the avatar went insane.
 
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So dont get one. Problem solved.

I feel the same way with the Wii. There isnt anything on that console that interests me, so i don't own one, nor do i spend time in that section telling ppl why i dont plan on owning one.

"Xbox, chill pill."

It will be interesting to see the second wave of Kinect and Move games, because both first waves were a lot of proof of concept minigame shovel-ware.

Also, if Kinect can get a Super Mario Galaxy quality game then I will be both surprised and interested.
 
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Though, it was pretty funny when Jeff lifted his hand just out of Kinect's view and the avatar went insane.

Oh god, I know. Though it wasn't as funny as these abominations. I was crying when that happened. :funny:

Anyway, whenever I see avatars spazzing out it really makes me cringe. Limbs popping in directions they totally shouldn't be. Also, I'm really surprised that Microsoft is putting Kinect out while it's still so janky.

Well...now that I think about it, it shouldn't come as a surprise. You know. What with the whole 50% 360 failure rate and whatnot.
 
Oh god, I know. Though it wasn't as funny as these abominations. I was crying when that happened. :funny:

Anyway, whenever I see avatars spazzing out it really makes me cringe. Limbs popping in directions they totally shouldn't be. Also, I'm really surprised that Microsoft is putting Kinect out while it's still so janky.

Well...now that I think about it, it shouldn't come as a surprise. You know. What with the whole 50% 360 failure rate and whatnot.

Motion Sports is horrible!

"I want to marry this guy!" :hehe:

"Oh please, alright let me reintroduce you two, Rider meet horse, horse meet rider" every time Ryan failed was also fantastic and insane.
 
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Did i say voice inputs were only available with Kinect? Im pretty sure i didnt.

Heh, not to be nitpicky but you kinda did.

ProjectPat2280 said:
If i happen to be out of the Kinects line of site, well then i can just tell it i want it to skip to the next track, something the Move and Wii cannot do.

I get what you're saying, but the Playstation Eye does have a built in microphone. Much like Sony stating headtracking could be put in (or maybe has already, not sure) with a firmware update, I'm sure voice command menu's could be too. I mean even PS2 games had voice command's using headsets. As for the Wii, just let the game programmers add in commands with a headset or Wii microphone.




As for sales, I stick by what I was saying earlier. I think Kinect's a guaranteed hit in the US, but around the world is where it will be interesting. I honestly don't think it has a chance of topping Wii sales (talking Kinect and Kinect related things compared to Wii, not 360+Kinect as Wii's sales have occasionally dipped to last place more recently). I think the real question is if Kinect's strong US and UK sales will make it a huge success. Move did well, 2.5 million it's first month (which I was guessing 1.5 million tops first month, so surprised me) however that was with worldwide sales boosting it. In the US it was around 1 million, and it was Europe as a whole that put in 1.5 million extra (still not sure how well it did in Japan or anywhere else yet).

Kinect will undoubtedly top Move in the US (by a huge margin), and probably the UK as well, it's just the rest of Europe, and the world for that matter that's the huge ??. Will low sales there negate huge US and UK numbers? Will Kinect have legs? At the very least I think Kinect will turn a profit, as to whether it's the next Wii (which I highly doubt it or Move will be) will probably be something we'll have to wait until a half a year has passed to really have the answer.



PS. Above any of this tho, it's what you want out of it. ProjectPat seems to like it, so gratz and hope you enjoy it. Same way as RDR isn't for everyone, I love it. In the same way that I'm honestly not seeing how Kinect can improve gameplay past what we already have, others will and will see it as a great purchase. So more power to anyone who buys it and enjoys it.
 
Heh, not to be nitpicky but you kinda did.

No, i kinda didnt. Go back and re-read what i wrote. In no way, did i say Kinect was the only device that could do that. I stated its ONE thing it could do to add to a "hardcore" game.



I get what you're saying, but the Playstation Eye does have a built in microphone. Much like Sony stating headtracking could be put in (or maybe has already, not sure) with a firmware update, I'm sure voice command menu's could be too. I mean even PS2 games had voice command's using headsets. As for the Wii, just let the game programmers add in commands with a headset or Wii microphone.


Not to this level tho. This is NOT a playstation eye. That's just an argument disgruntled fanboys are using. The PS Eye cant track the amt of data that the Kinect can. Period.




PS. Above any of this tho, it's what you want out of it. ProjectPat seems to like it, so gratz and hope you enjoy it. Same way as RDR isn't for everyone, I love it. In the same way that I'm honestly not seeing how Kinect can improve gameplay past what we already have, others will and will see it as a great purchase. So more power to anyone who buys it and enjoys it.

Eh, im not ready to pronounce it a success yet. I think thered potential tho. I also wouldnt have bought it had my sister of not floated most of the cost. The only game iv played for it is that adventures game which is pretty simple stuff. Id like to play Dance Central, from what iv heard that showcases the device better than anything else.
 
So I got Kinect with the 4 Gig Slim Bundle & this 360 is refusing to connect online with Wireless. Has anyone had any trouble like this ? I have tried using a WPA Key connecting the 360 to a Network & yes I am entering the right numbers as this is a nothing but number code & tried to connect it online from a Lap Top & Wire where the Lap Top is connected just fine through Wireless & the same WPA Key in question. I have no problems getting the original 360 Models online through the Lap Top
 
its a sign, bring it back to the store and never speak of Kinect again
 
So I got Kinect with the 4 Gig Slim Bundle & this 360 is refusing to connect online with Wireless. Has anyone had any trouble like this ? I have tried using a WPA Key connecting the 360 to a Network & yes I am entering the right numbers as this is a nothing but number code & tried to connect it online from a Lap Top & Wire where the Lap Top is connected just fine through Wireless & the same WPA Key in question. I have no problems getting the original 360 Models online through the Lap Top

Odd. I havent heard of that problem yet. Maybe the wi-fi within that model of 360 is just faulty. You can return it to where ever you bought it tho.

On a side note. Did you get any titles for Kinect? If so which ones and what do you think of them?
 

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