Comics Latest My Cup O' Joe--Quesada drops a Spider-Man related bombshell

[moraldeficiency]

All this talk of love and relationships and comparing marriages and relationships and pointing fingers "nah, uh, I love my girlfriend more than you love your wife" is making me think all of you are a bunch of wee little girls. I like to debate and such more than most but please let's crank the estrogen enhancements back to an 8.

Marriage, relationship, whatever, pete's still fundamentally clown shoes without a hint of responsibility and that's the real issue.

 

[iloveclones]

That's cool. Personally, I feel that people who are so vocal in their love of marriage are secretly afraid their spouses are monitoring them on the hype.

 

[moraldeficiency]

That's cool. Personally, I feel that people who are so vocal in their love of marriage are secretly afraid their spouses are monitoring them on the hype.

Or one could say the same about some of your girlfriends, or take that a step further and say you know you'll be monitored and in order to put off having to talk about marriage you place in stuff about how relationships are better/more meaningful/whatever just to stave off taking that next step. Very clever, clones, I see your game now.

 

[iloveclones]

You know what I find clown shoes, md? The fact that you don't see the irony of your own statements. That you want to turn down the estrogen levels after more than a year of publicly mourning a fictional marriage. Now that's clown shoes.

 

[moraldeficiency]

You know what I find clown shoes, md? The fact that you don't see the irony of your own statements. That you want to turn down the estrogen levels after more than a year of publicly mourning a fictional marriage. Now that's clown shoes.

No, it's not the arguments about comics that I mind. We're on a comic board after all, talking about comics is pretty much the status quo, if you don't like talk about such things coming here is probably gonna get you a little peeved.

I don't mourn the marriage, I mourn that they took my ****ing favorite comic book character, someone who I've always liked as he makes the good hard heroic choice (something I almost never do) and fights the good fight, they took that person and had him make a ****ing deal with the ****ing devil to make his aunt live against her ****ing will while ****ing mystically aborting their children and a whole bunch of other stuff. Making spider-man a rapist wouldn't have been as bad as what happened to the character. Right now, I'm (me the guy that has no remote feelings of guilt over anything) more of a hero than peter parker could ever hope to be, because even in my worst moments I'm not evil or stupid enough to make a deal with the ****ing devil. Killing off MJ would be fine, divorce would be fine, using satan is not.

But back to point, if I come onto the comic board and everyone is going back and forth about who loves their girlfriend/wife/dog/fern the most, that's clown shoes. I'm sure the lifetime network has a website and board just for you guys to have this discussion, but here on a COMIC BOARD, maybe we can limit that argument to just three or so back and forths.

 

[iloveclones]

I love my dog, too ( I would say more than gf, but I am afraid she's watching. I have no doubt that she would make that statement, though.) Unfortunately, I don't own a fern. Despite growing up on a farm (or maybe because of it.....), everything that I grow dies. Otherwise, I would argue vigorously for my home plant life.


And by the way, as far as I could see, it was only a couple of back and forths. You must have been really upset when Celldog would get into politics. Those things easily went on for pages. And there was a time when Corpy, Darthphere, and a third who escapes my memories would just completely fill threads with whatever random thought came their way. And Corpy's a mod for Chrissake!

It's not that big a deal. I don't think farmie actually feels that way, just trying to make a point. Same with me.

 

[moraldeficiency]

One, you clearly need a fern, there's a void in your life that needs filling (insert inappropriate sexual comment here). Wear gloves.

B, at least those were in the appropriate forums. If I didn't want to here cellslim talk I'd stay out of the political topics and bang problem solved.

III, it didn't urk me so much, but I could see that just going on and on without point. And that's would make this forum into an episode of sex in the city, basically a bunch of old ****s *****ing about relationships and drinking 25 dollar cocktails. (I was trying to save you from all that, really I'm a hero).

Four, Michael Bay needs to stay the **** away from the transformers.

Cinco, random thought is fine as long as it's entertaining, I do it all the time. This was not entertaining random thoughts like say family guy, this was more a lifetime original movie.

F, she's always watching, and when you go to sleep she checks your phone.

Fin.

 

[shinlyle]

I find this whole debate to be somewhat laughable. Marriage is what it is. TO some people, it's just a word. To others, it's a state of legally binding partnership. To some, like myself, it's a state of Holy Matrimony.

Either way, I find marriage to be above dating on the relationship scale. It's the next step, no matter which definition of "marriage" you believe in. If it wasn't so important, there wouldn't be an argument over it daily. No one argues over the importances of dating and it's definitions on the news. Marriage? That's another story.

No one is saying that because they are married, that their relationship is more meaningful that yours, or that they love there spouse more than you love your significant other or your houseplant....they're just pointing out that there is a distinct difference. It's like saying that a one-night stand is the same as dating. No, dating is above a one-night stand in terms of commitment, emotions, and what-not. Same with marriage and dating.

Now, back on topic, I still say with all certainty that changing something like a marriage into a couple living together would change things. If you need a real world example of this, then everyone who is living with someone, go home and marry them...then, in 6 months, tell me if everything is the same.

That being said, I'm going to hark back onto another point that I think Blader has made, and he was totally right about:

It's a comic. The real world rules don't neccasarily apply here. Devils don't offer up deals for marriages whenever the elderly are shot.

Just saying.

Now, lighten the hell up.




ps- moraldeficiency, I laughed out loud and was almost fired when I read the Micheal Bay comment.t:

 

[moraldeficiency]

ps- moraldeficiency, I laughed out loud and was almost fired when I read the Micheal Bay comment.t:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGQsthDNGW0

 

[Blader5489]

No one is saying that because they are married, that their relationship is more meaningful that yours, or that they love there spouse more than you love your significant other or your houseplant....

Well, no one except farmernudie.

edit - removed bits about marriage debate.

 

[iloveclones]

I'm helping her with a teenager......a spirited one to say the least......that trumps everything you just said. In fact (and we can discuss this in 12 or 13 years shin ), I would say that the conversion chart for having a teen in the house is roughly equivalent to 3 or 4 regular marriage years. You can times that by two if it's a girl (which she is.) So my four "living together" years, easily has a transformed weight of 25 or so. And believe me, I am not exaggerating at all.

 

[moraldeficiency]

just smoke some pot with her, kids respond well to that.

 

[shinlyle]

I'm helping her with a teenager......a spirited one to say the least......that trumps everything you just said. In fact (and we can discuss this in 12 or 13 years shin ), I would say that the conversion chart for having a teen in the house is roughly equivalent to 3 or 4 regular marriage years. You can times that by two if it's a girl (which she is.) So my four "living together" years, easily has a transformed weight of 25 or so. And believe me, I am not exaggerating at all.

A teenager?! Oh man....my heart goes out to you....and I would gladly send you some prescription painkillers with it if I could, man!

As for discussing when my daughter becomes a teenager, Ahem, LALALALALALALALALALALLALALALAALA I can't hear you!!!


ps- Gwen is now almost a year old, and can crawl, pull up, laughs hysterically, and is by FAR the happiest little blonde-haired, blue-eyed little baby I've ever known! (sorry....i'm very proud of my little girl!)

 

[Themanofbat]

I have a fern... it just makes a mess... it's my least favorite plant in my house, yet it's the one that requires the most attention...

 

[Meehaul]

One thing, hats off to Lee & Ditko for creating a character that arouses this sort of intense debate. I never liked Pete being married, especially to MJ, but I do wish Mephisto hadn't been involved. If Marvel were going to do something this lame, they could have used the Beyonder or something. Unlike some, I don't see Pete's action as selfish, but rather as "selfless." He was willing to give up his marriage, the one thing that supposedly made him happy, to save his aunt. This was done, in no small part, to atone for his failure to save his Uncle Ben. I see what Pete did as a major sacrifice, not some selfish act.

 

[shinlyle]

I have a fern... it just makes a mess... it's my least favorite plant in my house, yet it's the one that requires the most attention...

Ferns are an awful mess.

My wife and I have a couple of aloe plants, a Thanksgiving Cactus, and a Peace Lilly...all are pretty low maintenance, and we have yet to kill one of them (knock on wood).

 

[shinlyle]

One thing, hats off to Lee & Ditko for creating a character that arouses this sort of intense debate. I never liked Pete being married, especially to MJ, but I do wish Mephisto hadn't been involved. If Marvel were going to do something this lame, they could have used the Beyonder or something. Unlike some, I don't see Pete's action as selfish, but rather as "selfless." He was willing to give up his marriage, the one thing that supposedly made him happy, to save his aunt. This was done, in no small part, to atone for his failure to save his Uncle Ben. I see what Pete did as a major sacrifice, not some selfish act.

Personally, I think the story would have been about a billion times better if MJ had been shot and a) died or b) Peter would have made the deal to undo his marriage and spare her the pain she's had to suffer by being married to him. Now THAT would have been a heartwarming/heartbreaking tale!

 

[moraldeficiency]

Sweet holy mohammad on iceskates meehaul. He forced a religious woman who wanted and was ready to die to live against her will by using the ****ing devil. In doing so he mystically aborted children and let the devil get a win against god all because he felt guilty. I get how you could think it wasn't entirely selfish; it also had elements of stupidity, evil and laziness but how on earth do you figure it was in anyway selfless?

 

[Meehaul]

No, he felt responsible for her death the same way he felt responsible for his Uncle Ben's death. The definition of "sacrifice" is giving up something important to you for someone else, or some greater good. Pete relinquished the marriage (his happiness) to save Aunt May, killed because of Pete being SM. It's nearly Easter. A similar story. Christ submits to death, suffers in the garden of Gethsemane, all to atone for others' sins and thereby to "save" mankind from physical and spiritual death. Now, not to compare the trivial (Spider-Man) with the sacred (Christ), but the idea is the same: Pete sacrifices his happiness so that May can live. I don't like the "deal" with Mephisto, but I view what Pete did as a selfless act, not a selfish act. He would have gladly traded his own life for hers as well. Now, others may see it differently, but at least think about it rather that merely exploding. I understand your point, I just disagree with it. You may disagree with what I've stated, but don't go all flakey.

 

[Meehaul]

Here's an excellent summary Batman gives of Pete's nature (and if you've not followed this series, you should, it's awesome):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhlYuBIfv2g&feature=PlayList&p=320BAFE81584B804&index=16

 

[moraldeficiency]

But she wanted to die, she told him she was at peace, hell pete even spoke to god who said it was the right thing. Did pete go find the devil when may died before? **** no he didn't. May was an old ass woman, old ass people die, most not from bullets but your time is your time. Wasn't that the whole point of OMD that it was May's time and nothing could be done? You'd think that god and the person dying telling you it was ok, and they were ok would be enough wouldn't you?

Also it's the ****ing devil. How stupid is pete to think the devil won't **** him over and just kill may anyway, maybe from a heart attack after she finds out she's only alive because pete defied her and god to bring her back with unholy power. That would be a believable reaction to pete's jackassery.

As far as pete sacrificing happiness, considering the magical world wide memory wipe pete's life is far easier and less complicated now. Rather than having to deal with responsibility and fighting dangerous villians, pete now doesn't even have to understand how his webshooters work or even win in fights with funrunners, and can snap all the pappo shots of celebs he can get his camera on. Fighting through pain to win dispite a disadvantage has been replaced with just lay back and welcome death. They say stupid simple people by their nature have the greatest chance of living a happy life and pete's quite clearly a fan of this model.

Christ dying for our sins isn't quite the same as pete defying god and mystically aborting children with the devil's help to force his aunt to live against her will. Slight difference there.

Flaky and exploding? How am I doing either? I'm just laying out logic, which I will admit under the current conditions have no place in Peter Parker's world, but I'm neither overly excitible nor flaky just not a fan of someone I like doing something so stupid and evil most villians wouldn't consider it. That's just how I roll though.

 

[Blader5489]

But she wanted to die, she told him she was at peace, hell pete even spoke to god who said it was the right thing. Did pete go find the devil when may died before? **** no he didn't. May was an old ass woman, old ass people die, most not from bullets but your time is your time. Wasn't that the whole point of OMD that it was May's time and nothing could be done? You'd think that god and the person dying telling you it was ok, and they were ok would be enough wouldn't you?

Also it's the ****ing devil. How stupid is pete to think the devil won't **** him over and just kill may anyway, maybe from a heart attack after she finds out she's only alive because pete defied her and god to bring her back with unholy power. That would be a believable reaction to pete's jackassery.

As far as pete sacrificing happiness, considering the magical world wide memory wipe pete's life is far easier and less complicated now. Rather than having to deal with responsibility and fighting dangerous villians, pete now doesn't even have to understand how his webshooters work or even win in fights with funrunners, and can snap all the pappo shots of celebs he can get his camera on. Fighting through pain to win dispite a disadvantage has been replaced with just lay back and welcome death. They say stupid simple people by their nature have the greatest chance of living a happy life and pete's quite clearly a fan of this model.

Christ dying for our sins isn't quite the same as pete defying god and mystically aborting children with the devil's help to force his aunt to live against her will. Slight difference there.

Flaky and exploding? How am I doing either? I'm just laying out logic, which I will admit under the current conditions have no place in Peter Parker's world, but I'm neither overly excitible nor flaky just not a fan of someone I like doing something so stupid and evil most villians wouldn't consider it. That's just how I roll though.

Please crank your estrogen enhancements back to an 8.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Please crank your estrogen enhancements back to an 8.

Yes I apologize for talking about spider-man on this relationship board, I will not make this mistake again and take away valuable time where you could be explaining just how much you love your girlfriend or whatever and using logic rather than short personal stories about my relationships while sipping white wine. Clearly MY estrogen level is far too high.

 

[Blader5489]

Yes I apologize for talking about spider-man on this relationship board, I will not make this mistake again and take away valuable time where you could be explaining just how much you love your girlfriend or whatever and using logic rather than short personal stories about my relationships while sipping white wine. Clearly MY estrogen level is far too high.

That's odd, I don't remember ever doing that.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I do before you editted it, I believe that was right after you said you weren't jumping into that mess. You know I'm the pothead here, why is my memory of the last few hours so much better than yours?