The Dark Knight Ledger: Joker darker more sinister

Great to see the 'The Ledge' talking bout Joker. I think some are taking the Clockwork Orange stuff out of context. He said the Joker would have an 'CO vibe'. To me this means more sinister, evil and flaboiant. I'm all for it.
 
Oooh! Finally some newsy bits to read!

Liked Ledger to begin with. Like him MORE now. :up: Brutal. Psychotic. All about the eyes. Weeeeeee!!!

Am VERY intrigued. :D
 
Anybody have any idea when Ledger will be doing the talk-show circuit to promote whatever his next film is?
 
Shedhut said:
very good find retro

I really start to like ledger as a person the way we all feel for Bale. he is in no way the tom cruise kind of guy (phew).
Especially the fact that he acctually injected in Candy makes me believe in him as an actor.

"I wouldn't have thought of me, either"

that made me laugh.

"It's going to be more nuanced and dark and more along the lines of a Clockwork Orange kind of feel."

and that one got me crying of happiness almost. CO is one of everyones favourites i guess.
No prob.:)
I must admit i have not seen Clockwork Orange yet so i need to go and check that out for sure.:O I like what i'm hearing though from Ledger.
Now all we need to know is who they're getting to play Harvey Dent.
 
Clockwork Orange?

Dizamn
 
I Think Ledger is going to surprised all of us, who thought he was a bad choice to be casted as The JOKER. It sounds like nolan is heading in the right direction again .
 
well after this explanation by heath, any fears we had on ledgers ability to be the joker should be gone.
seems that heath ledger IS the right choice.
great stuff.
so relieving to see a movie about a pop culture icon getting it right.
unlike SR
and the upcoming transformers which is looking like a real big childhood raping turd.
 
nogster said:
well after this explanation by heath, any fears we had on ledgers ability to be the joker should be gone.
I have no fears, but to be fair, he still has to do the acting.
 
Ledger could read some Batman/Joker comics and have a look what the character is about.

I have liked: The Man who laughs by Ed Brubaker and Doug Mahnke.
A very entertaining, action packed and hard boiled story. Beatiful artwork by Mahnke, great action scenes like the one with the helicopter, good powerful in fight scenes Batman vs. Joker and finally the Joker kicked by Batman. Gordon was good. They dont need the clown gang, but the rest of the comicbook is quite cool and entertaining.
 
Check this out! Cillian and Heath met for the first time last night and immediatly hit it off. Wonder if this is a sign of things to come in TDK.

Ledger, Murphy collide in bat cave
Actors talked into the wee hours

Published: Saturday, September 09, 2006

Oh, well. "Fame is a fickle food upon a shifting plate." So wrote Emily Dickinson. And while the spread was a melange downtown, some blocks up there was also plenty to snack on. That's where at Lobby, on Bloor, a late-night buddy-buddy act formed between Heath Ledger and Cillian Murphy.

The guys were at different booths at the back of the newly redone bar, but, once introduced, they certainly weren't. The two of them, I can confirm, got on like Buckingham Palace on fire.

The Irishman is here starring in a film that was a Cannes favourite, The Wind that Shakes the Barley. Heath, the Australian, is here promoting the intriguing Candy. But for those of us who know our Variety, there was a subtext to their fast-growing acquaintance: While Cillian played Mr. Scarecrow in Christopher Nolan's Batman Begins last year, Heath, nominated more recently for Brokeback Mountain, has already signed on to be in the upcoming Bruce Wayne sequel. As the Joker.

Were some Batty tips passed on? We certainly think so. In fact, Cillian, who's the biggest acting name out of Ireland since Colin Farrell and is the spooky-eyed fella from films such as Red Eye and Breakfast on Pluto, didn't leave his Gotham cohort until about 3:30 a.m.

"His driver was waiting for him for hours," a spy tells me. "Because he said he was leaving hours ago."

Of Heath - who earlier in the day stopped by solo at Il Posto in Yorkvile, where he read a book and ate some soup - our spy tells us this: "He's a ratty-looking dude."

Certainly, that night he was in a very different mood from earlier that day, when he told a Canadian Press reporter than he and wife Michelle Williams are not into partying.

For the record, Ledger told Canadian Press: "I'm up at 5:30 or 6 every morning and in bed at 9. But it's fine, and the one thing I realize is that before Matilda, we were just sleeping in too long. We were missing out on so much of the day. I get much more done now. I feel more focused. And I actually need to go to bed at 9 now -- I feel it in my bones."
Source: http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/columnists/story.html?id=b52fa726-15f0-42be-bddb-90baabf35f87
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/columnists/story.html?id=b52fa726-15f0-42be-bddb-90baabf35f87&p=2
 
I would have loved to participate this little chat:yellow:

and Retro: go rent Clockwork Orange today. it is an incredible film and an alltime classic;)
 
OH no, I absolutely hated Clockwork Orange..Never have I wanted to shoot myself so much whilst watching a film!!
 
Shedhut said:
I would have loved to participate this little chat:yellow:

and Retro: go rent Clockwork Orange today. it is an incredible film and an alltime classic;)
I'm definetly going to try and get my hands on it.:cool:
 
Its a cult movie.
So either you will love it or hate it.
 
Ryanman said:
OH no, I absolutely hated Clockwork Orange..Never have I wanted to shoot myself so much whilst watching a film!!
It's hugely overrated. Unimaginative teenage boys profess to like it because it glorifies violence in a particularly psuedo-artistic fashion.

I fear that this film is very much on the wrong track. The principle villain is to be played by a mediocre actor with no understanding of his role.
 
regwec said:
It's hugely overrated. Unimaginative teenage boys profess to like it because it glorifies violence in a particularly psuedo-artistic fashion.

I fear that this film is very much on the wrong track. The principle villain is to be played by a mediocre actor with no understanding of his role.
Yeah, right, I guess "darker and more sinister" doesn´t come close to describing The Joker...

And to say ACO glorifies violence clearly shows zero understanding of the movie. The theatrical aspect of the violence is satyrical, and if anything, the movie condemns violence on BOTH sides, that the State isn´t entitled to abuse young people cuz they´re misbehaving.
 
regwec said:
It's hugely overrated. Unimaginative teenage boys profess to like it because it glorifies violence in a particularly psuedo-artistic fashion.

I fear that this film is very much on the wrong track. The principle villain is to be played by a mediocre actor with no understanding of his role.
You dont think Joker glorifies violence in a pseudo-artistic fashion?

.oO(Which comic books have I been reading??)
 
regwec said:
It's hugely overrated. Unimaginative teenage boys profess to like it because it glorifies violence in a particularly psuedo-artistic fashion.

I fear that this film is very much on the wrong track. The principle villain is to be played by a mediocre actor with no understanding of his role.

I'm not a fan of the casting of Ledger, but the idea has grown on me. I haven't seen anything that indicates he dosen't "understand" the role. I believe he's going to be heavily guided by Nolan and I have faith in him.
 
ultimatefan said:
Yeah, right, I guess "darker and more sinister" doesn´t come close to describing The Joker...

And to say ACO glorifies violence clearly shows zero understanding of the movie. The theatrical aspect of the violence is satyrical, and if anything, the movie condemns violence on BOTH sides, that the State isn´t entitled to abuse young people cuz they´re misbehaving.
You have no understanding of my post. I understand perfectly that issues integral to Burgess' novel- anarchy/freewill vs. authoritarianism. I think that it is a fairly glib "message", and one that was further dilluted in the film, which I think was among Kubrick's weakest. Furthermore, I do not accept your assertion that ultra violence can be succesfully "satyrised", nor do I think the film even attempts that. What you get is a muddled "sillification" of heinous acts, which does nothing to underline their deplorability. In short, I don't think the film succeeds in constructing a palpable sense of moral equivalence, which seems to be its lynchpin, if I recall rightly.

Look, I just don't like it. I tend to think that the film has a following purely because of its contrived controversy, its design, and the prestige of its dierector. You may think me wrong, but please don't attempt to patronise me.
 
7Hells said:
You dont think Joker glorifies violence in a pseudo-artistic fashion?

.oO(Which comic books have I been reading??)
No, The Joker doesn't glorify violence: he enjoys it, which is very different. I might enjoy smoking cannabis, but I wouldn't actively insight other people to follow suit. You have misread the thrust of my comments: I was deploring the narrative itself for feebly fetishising violence, not the characters within the narrative.
 
regwec said:
It's hugely overrated. Unimaginative teenage boys profess to like it because it glorifies violence in a particularly psuedo-artistic fashion.

I fear that this film is very much on the wrong track. The principle villain is to be played by a mediocre actor with no understanding of his role.

Since when was Crispin Glover cast?
 
regwec said:
No, The Joker doesn't glorify violence: he enjoys it, which is very different.
He wouldnt leave his signature, taking credit for his "work", if he wasnt glorifying it. He would simply take pleasure in the act itself and keep the rest quiet so he could continue without interference.

regwec said:
You have misread the thrust of my comments: I was deploring the narrative itself for feebly fetishising violence, not the characters within the narrative.
Then what is the basis for your claim of Ledger having no understanding of Joker?
 

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