Lee Bermejo and Brian Azzarello's Joker Graphic Novel

[CaptainClown]

His run on Batman was really bad, his work on Gotham Central where he went into the gritty was amazing.

 

[GoblinWhirlwind]

I tried reading Gotham Central.. I just couldn't.

 

[CaptainClown]

It isn't for everyone, especially people who don't like long amounts of dialogue. It is basically a crime drama with batman character cameo's. Some people don't like crime dramas and would rather watch Heroes, some people like law and order .

 

[Motown Marvel]

the rape scene was definitely not gratuitous or done for shock value. it was definitely within character and context of the story. plus, it was shown in a SINGLE panel. if they wanted to be gratuitous or shocking, it would have actually been featured in a gratuitous and shocking manner. not a single image after the event implying what just happened. but most importantly, it was an event that related to the characters and story at hand.

 

[Keyser Soze]

The twisted thing is, first time I read it, I thought that was The Joker's sole redeeming moment. "Aw," I thought, "He's getting Croc to take Johnny's girl home in return for Johnny saving his life, maybe he isn't a total s**t after all." But on second reading, I realise he raped her while Johnny watched. So yeah, no redeeming moments whatsoever.

 

[Some Dude]

The twisted thing is, first time I read it, I thought that was The Joker's sole redeeming moment. "Aw," I thought, "He's getting Croc to take Johnny's girl home in return for Johnny saving his life, maybe he isn't a total s**t after all." But on second reading, I realise he raped her while Johnny watched. So yeah, no redeeming moments whatsoever.

Heh, that's how I interpreted it on my first read too.

I feel pretty dumb now, but at least I'm not alone.

And it definitely wasn't gratuitous. Gratuitous would have been showing the rape.

I don't understand why people think the Joker would be above rape. Isn't this supposed to be the guy without rules?

I do have one question, though. Does the carpet match the drapes?

 

[Tree27]

I ****ing loved this Graphic Novel. I felt like I was watching Goodfellas and The Dark Knight at the same time.
A while ago I was saying that Killer Croc in my mind should be black, and he was X) woo!
I loved the art and the story.

 

[EmPiiRe x]

I remember a lot of gripe about the coloring when those previews first started coming out, about it being too desaturated and what-not. So far, I've been really impressed with it.

 

[GoblinWhirlwind]

Even though I haven't read it yet, I'm sorta disappointed with the art. Not because it isn't good, just not up to the standards I've set in my mind for him. I imagine everything he does must visually equal Luthor: MOS, and it doesn't really do it.

 

[Tree27]

favorite pannels

<333333 the one with the gun in him mouth. And the one of him crying is epic and quite rare as well. I've only seen him cry one other time.

 

[Dark Victory]

It isn't for everyone, especially people who don't like long amounts of dialogue. It is basically a crime drama with batman character cameo's. Some people don't like crime dramas and would rather watch Heroes, some people like law and order .

Exactly. That was my only problem with it. I could stand the dialogue, but in the end, it felt too much like a crime drama show you'd see on TNT(which I'm not into at all). Also, Michael Lark's art was pretty meh. Even though I love his work in Daredevil and Captain America, I just couldn't get into it(especially when we'd get to see Joker or Two-Face).

 

[GoblinWhirlwind]

favorite pannels

<333333 the one with the gun in him mouth. And the one of him crying is epic and quite rare as well. I've only seen him cry one other time.

See, that's the quality of the artwork I was talking about; the gun in the mouth shot. That's just amazing.

 

[donk70]

The GN was amazing and I loved the tone and look. I also like the many dig he made at Two Face's dual personality.

I do wish the Riddler wasn't so "grungy" though

But why did The Joker refer to Penguin as Abner?

 

[Arsh]

The GN was amazing and I loved the tone and look. I also like the many dig he made at Two Face's dual personality.

I do wish the Riddler wasn't so "grungy" though

But why did The Joker refer to Penguin as Abner?

He was mocking him.

 

[Tree27]

^ I thought so, heh. I was hoping thats what it was.

 

[EmPiiRe x]

aHA!

awesome Watchmen reference -- guy holding a "The End is Nigh" sign on the page right after Two-Face is first seen.

 

[agentzelda]

aHA!

awesome Watchmen reference -- guy holding a "The End is Nigh" sign on the page right after Two-Face is first seen.

Always nice to see a nod to the Master.

 

[lixdexia]

aHA!

awesome Watchmen reference -- guy holding a "The End is Nigh" sign on the page right after Two-Face is first seen.

yep, had to be that...cause it's not like there's a crazy sign guy in every city in movies or books or anything, HAD to be a watchmen nod

 

[EmPiiRe x]

wow, y so srs? I guess even Watchmen has its detractors

i guess you can look at a bum with a 'The End is Nigh' sign in a graphic novel and say 'well sure you see that all the time, don't you . . . ?', or you can look at it and say 'Oh snap, Walter Kovac ftw!'. Just please find for me all these other movies and books where there are 'crazy sign guys' walking around pronouncing 'The End is Nigh'. I can recommend one for you -- Watchmen. The sign is prominently displayed in the panel, unmissable to anyone who doesn't have cataracts or pink eye, and I can't imagine as to why the artist would think to make it so visible unless he wanted people to see it as a potential nod to something else (probably not Watchmen though, probably one of those other seminal, wildly popular graphic novels).

 

[lixdexia]

wow, y so srs? I guess even Watchmen has its detractors

i guess you can look at a bum with a 'The End is Nigh' sign in a graphic novel and say 'well sure you see that all the time, don't you . . . ?', or you can look at it and say 'Oh snap, Walter Kovac ftw!'. Just please find for me all these other movies and books where there are 'crazy sign guys' walking around pronouncing 'The End is Nigh'. I can recommend one for you -- Watchmen. The sign is prominently displayed in the panel, unmissable to anyone who doesn't have cataracts or pink eye, and I can't imagine as to why the artist would think to make it so visible unless he wanted people to see it as a potential nod to something else (probably not Watchmen though, probably one of those other seminal, wildly popular graphic novels).

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=the end is nigh&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
and not a one of them has a thing to do with watchmen.
damn neophytes. why so serious is a terrible catchphrase too.

 

[EmPiiRe x]

i see some lolcatz, a chick in a t-shirt, Bush, Jesus, Bush, a girls volleyball team, and Jesus.

It's probably a girls volleyball nod now that I really think about it. I am a nympho. Or wait no a neophyte. Neophyte.

Walter Kovac (which is a character in Watchmen, the first chapter of which you may or may not have skimmed through) walking around New York City with a 'The End is Nigh' sign is a staple of the character; in fact, up until his arrest later on in the book, we only ever see him with that sign (when he's not in his Rorshach get-up), as it's part of his disguise as a wandering bum. So when Bermejo decided he was gonna draw a wandering bum with a sign that reads 'The End is Nigh' in bold black letters, I'm sure recollections of the Kovac character never once crossed his mind. In fact, he's probably never read Watchmen at all, now that I think about it. Probably the volleyball team. Now that's it for this, the stupidest and most inane argument I've had since I had to duel over who was cooler: Boba Fett or Jango Fett.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

See, that's the quality of the artwork I was talking about; the gun in the mouth shot. That's just amazing.

Yea there are some panels that are painted in a traditional style. Bermejo said that the painted panels are there because he wants the reader to look at them longer, that them panels are to slow it down a little bit.

 

[ironwez20]

just ordered the book on ebay and i heard from g4 that its very graphic is this true

 

[lixdexia]

i see some lolcatz, a chick in a t-shirt, Bush, Jesus, Bush, a girls volleyball team, and Jesus.

It's probably a girls volleyball nod now that I really think about it. I am a nympho. Or wait no a neophyte. Neophyte.

Walter Kovac (which is a character in Watchmen, the first chapter of which you may or may not have skimmed through) walking around New York City with a 'The End is Nigh' sign is a staple of the character; in fact, up until his arrest later on in the book, we only ever see him with that sign (when he's not in his Rorshach get-up), as it's part of his disguise as a wandering bum. So when Bermejo decided he was gonna draw a wandering bum with a sign that reads 'The End is Nigh' in bold black letters, I'm sure recollections of the Kovac character never once crossed his mind. In fact, he's probably never read Watchmen at all, now that I think about it. Probably the volleyball team. Now that's it for this, the stupidest and most inane argument I've had since I had to duel over who was cooler: Boba Fett or Jango Fett.

you're absolutely right, how could i think that cliche (it being cliche one of the main reasons moore used it in the first place) could be anything other than a refference to another book? croc putting jonny on a meat hook must have been a nod to the texas chainsaw massacre, and even jonny having the last name frost be a nod to lokg time blade villian deacon frost.

 

[lixdexia]

just ordered the book on ebay and i heard from g4 that its very graphic is this true

yes, it is very graphic, but it doesn't feel too forced so it's okay