The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Legitimate concerns about TASM 2 (NO BAITING AND BE RESPECTFUL)

[Hcmarvel]

Okay, so that last thread "The Less Than..." was just closed and I understand why. The title of the thread itself was semi-snarky and kind of asking for a fight.

But.

I do think there should be one thread where people can voice or vent concerns about TASM 2 without people slamming them. The whole point of a forum like this, I assume, is to not just chest-bump each other until the film comes out. It's to discuss the film.

The original poster of that thread had, legitimate or not, concerns about the film. I'm guessing he wouldn't post on a site called "Superherohype" if he didn't have interest in the film. The interest should be all that matters to the community. As long as said interest isn't just to start a troll war or whatever you would call it.

Obviously trolls should be called out, but respectful debate is great - it's what some of us come here hoping to find - and saying that one has concerns about this, that, or the other is fair. And I don't think it's a bad idea to have a place where people with worries can congregate. The main thread tends to either slam any naysayer or run off a long run of pages on "I GOT MY TIX BRO! MIDNIGHT SCREENING!" And that's great! People should be excited about the movie. Despite some misgivings, I'm very excited about the movie. But I also have a few doubts. And I feel like if and when I've posted them in some of the main threads, they get ignored or unfairly criticized.

Maybe this thread will be immediately locked as well. But I wanted to throw out the idea as an option.

So in case it doesn't get closed I'll voice one of my concerns and we'll see what people have to say -

I may be alone but in watching that final trailer, which I loved about 96% of, I found something just the slightest, like slightest, bit off on the way the CGI Spidey looks. But I can't put my finger on it. It has weight, and it's clear, and the movements are perfect, but maybe there is a shine to it or something? Again, I can't quite place it, but has anyone else noticed this?

I should mention, I haven't seen the final trailer on a big screen, is it very different than youtube (I mean of course it is, but does the effect come off different)?

 

[Picard Sisko]

Maybe you can call the thread "Concerns about TASM2" or something like that.

 

[Hcmarvel]

Maybe you can call the thread "Concerns about TASM2" or something like that.

I couldn't figure out how to do that. If this thread is kosher could a MOD change the thread title to something like Legitimate concerns about TASM 2 (NO BAITING AND BE RESPECTFUL)

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[Picard Sisko]

I couldn't figure out how to do that. If this thread is kosher could a MOD change the thread title to something like Legitimate concerns about TASM 2 (NO BAITING AND BE RESPECTFUL)

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Send a PM to C. Lee or Hobgoblin. They'll help you out.

 

[The Joker]

I loathe Harry's Goblin design. I think it looks ridiculous. Like a bad Evil Ed lookalike. I can't take him seriously. I also don't like how Harry is seemingly a Goblin before Norman. That to me is putting the cart before the horse. As a Spider-Man fan it spoils the Goblin story for me.

 

[JOE]

Why can't legitimate concerns be discussed in the General Discussion thread? You're creating these "pot stirring" threads for no reason. People don't get slammed for voicing their opinions, they get slammed for blind hating a movie without giving it the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Why can't legitimate concerns be discussed in the General Discussion thread? You're creating these "pot stirring" threads for no reason. People don't get slammed for voicing their opinions, they get slammed for blind hating a movie without giving it the benefit of the doubt.

You do make a good point. Though if this thread helps keep those kinds of posters away from the general discussion then so be it.

 

[Perry9]

I just visited the thread that you mentioned and i have to say that that guy was very provoking. He called the movie crap, which was not cool. I'm all in for expressing concerns about a movie, but let's at least do it civilized.

Now, i think that the OP gave answers to his own concerns here. The quality in youtube is very mediocre. You need to watch it in a theater. Glad to have you on board by the way.

 

[Hcmarvel]

You do make a good point. Though if this thread helps keep those kinds of posters away from the general discussion then so be it.

Oy, this is so not what I wanted this thread to be but just to quickly address this and then I'll drop it no matter what your response is because I don't want to derail the thread.


So I went through the Main thread and pulled a random, enthusiastic quote -

"I don't think there is a better time to be a Spider-Man than right now, and I feel that the naysayers will have to deal with one of the best superhero films ever once they get to see it. I just have an optimism rush whenever I think about the film."


Now, the following is not anything I would ever post, but imagine if I went to that main thread and posted

"I think Spider-Man is kind of a tired character/franchise. I think all these people crowing about how the movie will be amazing and make 900 million will have to deal with a mega let-down. I just feel sad when I think about the film."

Now I can't know for sure, but I assume that kind of post would be met with a fair degree of antagonism, claims that I'm just trolling, or just be utterly ignored and passed over.

Now that kind of negative post is not what I want in this thread at all. This is not supposed to be just a place for, say, DC-favoring fans to come slam the movie or something based on the fact that "SPIDERMAN SUX!".

This could just be a place for someone to voice a concern, or even a question, that they fear may come off as just them "hating on" the film. That's all.

It's quite standard on these forums, after a superhero film has come out, to have a thread about "What didn't work for you about ______". This is the pre-release version of that I would hope.

There I've said my piece.


So how do you guys think Webb and company can make Aunt May interesting and not just comic relief/the speechifier that she was in Raimi's films? The last film kind of implied that May knows that Peter is Spider-Man but I doubt they're about to make May Spidey's version of Alfred. So how can May be an interesting character in a movie, with its limited run time, when the books have struggled to make her interesting for 50 years. Ultimate Spider-Man was the best Aunt May ever written (with JMS and Amazing Spider-Man #400 taking spots 2 and 3). But Bendis had 100+ issues to flesh out the character, have her and Peter have entire relationship arcs, and define why she is so important.

It's not that it's bad if Sally Field is just there to allow Garfield to crack jokes with and find comfort, but there's a certain sitcom nature to the relationship if that's all it is.

 

[Perry9]

"I don't think there is a better time to be a Spider-Man than right now, and I feel that the naysayers will have to deal with one of the best superhero films ever once they get to see it. I just have an optimism rush whenever I think about the film."





So how do you guys think Webb and company can make Aunt May interesting and not just comic relief/the speechifier that she was in Raimi's films? The last film kind of implied that May knows that Peter is Spider-Man but I doubt they're about to make May Spidey's version of Alfred. So how can May be an interesting character in a movie, with its limited run time, when the books have struggled to make her interesting for 50 years. Ultimate Spider-Man was the best Aunt May ever written (with JMS and Amazing Spider-Man #400 taking spots 2 and 3). But Bendis had 100+ issues to flesh out the character, have her and Peter have entire relationship arcs, and define why she is so important.

It's not that it's bad if Sally Field is just there to allow Garfield to crack jokes with and find comfort, but there's a certain sitcom nature to the relationship if that's all it is.

I don't want to insult Avenging Spidey (i think he is the one who wrote this) but i think that everyone ignored that too.

Now I think that it is implied that Aunt May knows stuff about Peter's parents. So i think that adds a whole new dynamic to their relationship. From the comic con footage and from other footage that has been released it is clear that they have a very serious talk. There is also a picture that shows Aunt May in some kind of

Spoiler

hospital

or something similar. So, yeah, i don't think that it's going to be all "sitcom"

 

[Hcmarvel]

There is also a picture that shows Aunt May in some kind of

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hospital

or something similar. So, yeah, i don't think that it's going to be all "sitcom"

See that just brings to mind "FINISH IT!"

Obviously Aunt May being in the hospital is a trope of the comics, so it's a nice wink to that, but, again without knowing a thing, I can't help but think that if something happens that forces her to stay in the hospital, it's really just a way to get her off the chess board. Because, again, she's a tough character to make dynamic.

The thing that made Bendis' writing of May so great was he shaved a few years off, and made her much more of an individual. She had a job, she started dating again, she felt deeply betrayed when she caught Peter lying to her. She was another element in exposing how much guilt Peter feels, because he has to lie to this person who has devoted her life to him. Now, in a film, it's a fine line between coming off as a concerned and worried parent, who has already lost her husband and now has her nephew disappearing for hours on end (which they touched upon in the first TASM), and having May just coming off as a smothering shrew. But she should be an obstacle of some kind in my opinion. And more in a moral sense for Peter than logistical.

 

[JOE]

That's what happens when the Laundry Sheriff picks a fight with Spider-Man.

#TalkS***GetHit

 

[Perry9]

See that just brings to mind "FINISH IT!"

Obviously Aunt May being in the hospital is a trope of the comics, so it's a nice wink to that, but, again without knowing a thing, I can't help but think that if something happens that forces her to stay in the hospital, it's really just a way to get her off the chess board. Because, again, she's a tough character to make dynamic.

There you go bud.

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[Hcmarvel]

There you go bud.

Spoiler

...Ah. WORKING in a hospital. That's much better. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[Nemeres]

Ever since that pic of Peter and Harry hugging came out I started to worry that this whole relationship might come off as rushed. I didn't figure they were gonna take the BFFs angle. Funny how this series, much lauded for how it "sets things up", is gonna use just one movie to introduce the Harry character, establish that he and Peter are the best buds evah, have him turn evil, develop a grudge for Peter, then fight him bitterly and possibly even die at the end. As I said in another post, this would feel much more earned if Harry had been introduced earlier; if that friendship had actually been built up as its own thing rather than as a mandatory preamble for a final fight. But let's see how they do it. Might be be just need one movie to feel it for Harry, I dunno.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Only concerns I have, Electros whole Spider-Man fandom angle which I've kind of gotten over, and how crowded the movie seems to be but that has been alleviated a bit with the run time being disclosed, so really Im pretty confident in the film overall, oh I guess Harry's hair bugs me. lol

 

[JOE]

I think the "crowded" angle is an excuse for people to be cautious about the movie. The whole, "Well, we don't want another SM3 on our hands." The movie was terrible even without the 3 villain crowding.

 

[Human Torch]

I loathe Harry's Goblin design. I think it looks ridiculous. Like a bad Evil Ed lookalike. I can't take him seriously. I also don't like how Harry is seemingly a Goblin before Norman. That to me is putting the cart before the horse. As a Spider-Man fan it spoils the Goblin story for me.

That's my main gripe.Harry before Norman.And the Goblin make-up is outright laughable,IMO.

I'm also going to be disappointed if Gwen dies before MJ is introduced.

 

[Human Torch]

Ever since that pic of Peter and Harry hugging came out I started to worry that this whole relationship might come off as rushed. I didn't figure they were gonna take the BFFs angle. Funny how this series, much lauded for how it "sets things up", is gonna use just one movie to introduce the Harry character, establish that he and Peter are the best buds evah, have him turn evil, develop a grudge for Peter, then fight him bitterly and possibly even die at the end. As I said in another post, this would feel much more earned if Harry had been introduced earlier; if that friendship had actually been built up as its own thing rather than as a mandatory preamble for a final fight. But let's see how they do it. Might be be just need one movie to feel it for Harry, I dunno.

Yeah,it's a justifiable concern.

 

[Hcmarvel]

I think the "crowded" angle is an excuse for people to be cautious about the movie. The whole, "Well, we don't want another SM3 on our hands." The movie was terrible even without the 3 villain crowding.

I'll tell you why I'm worried and you can tell me if I'm being paranoid -

Yes, Spider-Man 3 had a lot of issues, but you are kidding yourself if you don't think one of the big ones was the fact that they tried to put 3 villains in the same movie. We all know the Raimi/Studio/Arad/Venom, etc. thing so I won't rehash it but I will always feel that Raimi's focus was going to be Sandman and wrapping up the Harry storyline. The studio wanted Venom. That doesn't excuse how badly Raimi and company dropped the ball but it was a definite hindrance from everything we've heard.

Fast Forward to TASM 2 and you have the studio, in an effort to keep up with Marvel, trying to build a Spider-Man cinematic universe. So the film, not to mention all the tweets from Webb, viral marketing, etc. seems to be overflowing with references, appearances, nods, and, definitively - 3 major villains from the comic. Now, this is a different situation obviously. Raimi always hated Venom whereas Webb seems fully on board with all this. I'm not saying history will definitely repeat itself. But that's why a few of us are a little weary I suppose.

 

[Khonshu]

My concerns:

1. Over-the-top, "Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face" style acting from Paul Giamatti, an outstanding actor who could put in a serious, believable performance.

2. Overly-convenient OsCorp connections to all of Spidey's villains, showing a lack of creativity by the screenwriting team.

3. Inconsistent use of physics in a world that is supposed to make us think that Spidey is amazing. If an inflated football can bend a football goalpost, and a cup of coffee yanked across a room on a web can remain unspilled, is a guy who can stick to walls more... or LESS... amazing? I vote "less", but that's just me.

4. Peter's father revealed to have created a "Spidey Cave", which Spidey now uses as a home base. This devalues the story of a struggling Peter Parker who uses his own scientific mind to problem solve, as well as the conflict of putting Aunt May at risk by living in her home.

5. Harry being shoe-horned in as Pete's lifetime pal, despite ZERO screen time in the first flick. We're supposed to feel empathy for a relationship that is built and destroyed in half of a movie?

6. Forced comedy. I think that the general tone in CBM since Avengers has been to keep a lighter tone, but I'm worried that this is going to translate to the entirety of the film and we'll be subjected to scenes like the plutonium cannister rescue (which imo comes off as silly instead of funny).

 

[JOE]

I'll tell you why I'm worried and you can tell me if I'm being paranoid -

Yes, Spider-Man 3 had a lot of issues, but you are kidding yourself if you don't think one of the big ones was the fact that they tried to put 3 villains in the same movie. We all know the Raimi/Studio/Arad/Venom, etc. thing so I won't rehash it but I will always feel that Raimi's focus was going to be Sandman and wrapping up the Harry storyline. The studio wanted Venom. That doesn't excuse how badly Raimi and company dropped the ball but it was a definite interference from everything we've heard.

Fast Forward to TASM 2 and you have the studio, in an effort to keep up with Marvel, trying to build a Spider-Man cinematic universe. So the film, not to mention all the tweets from Webb, viral marketing, etc. seems to be overflowing with references, appearances, nods, and, definitively - 3 major villains from the comic. Now, this is a different situation obviously. Raimi always hated Venom whereas Webb seems fully on board with all this. I'm not saying history will definitely repeat itself. But that's why a few of us are a little weary I suppose.

You're right, all I'm trying to say is there were a TON of problems with SM3. Being crowded wasn't what made the movie terrible. It took away from it, but not as badly as the script itself. Didn't feel like a Spider-Man movie.

 

[SpeterMan3]

I don't have much to contribute to this thread, but I like it.

 

[Human Torch]

I don't think Rhino will be more than a barely developed henchman (which isn't necessarily a bad thing).I'm still disappointed in the Transformer suit.I guess it's not too big a deal,but I really wish Marvel had him.I'd love to see an accurate Rhino go toe to toe with the Hulk in a movie.

 

[IncognitoWalrus]

I'm a little worried that Electro, after his Times Square defeat, will sit out a good portion of the movie and only return for the final fight.