Les Miserables: One Thread More!

Really? I think it worked in this film, for the most part. As much as I love the film, it would have been much better if they chose which moments to sing live, and other moments to record. Certain songs suffer greatly from the live singing.

I know they kept talking about how "revolutionary" it was... even though its been done many many times in the past :whatever:. But I'd cringe if every musical that's going to be made from here on out decided to follow Les Miz with the live singing.
I think it was refreshing for a musical to have them sing live. It made it seem more emotional. It worked really well for "Valjean's Soliloquy", "I Dreamed A Dream" and "Empty Chairs at Empty Tables". There was one song I think they should have gone back and re-recorded in post-production, and that was "Bring Him Home".
 
I have liked everything I've seen of Hooper--John Adams, The King's Speech and Les Miserables--but they all suffer from the same problems. He uses awkward close-ups, mostly bland compositions through tight short lenses and randomly, to the point of distraction really, throws in a dutch angle about every 90 seconds.

It is a very bland style that is noticeable only in how odd it sometimes is. But he gets great stories and great actors who he can direct very well.

The average movie goer usually can't differentiate the difference between this and simply being a great director. Many working directors won't sign onto a project if they don't get a great script and great actors as well.

Perhaps the measure raw directorial talent shouldn't be how well they handle good material(and actors), but rather poor material(and actors). Wouldn't that be a sight.
 
Really? I think it worked in this film, for the most part. As much as I love the film, it would have been much better if they chose which moments to sing live, and other moments to record. Certain songs suffer greatly from the live singing.

I know they kept talking about how "revolutionary" it was... even though its been done many many times in the past :whatever:. But I'd cringe if every musical that's going to be made from here on out decided to follow Les Miz with the live singing.

Musical comedies? No, it'd be odd to do this style onscreen for that. I think you can do live singing and make it sound very pretty with the right talent (Sam Barks and Eddie Redymane in this one and Hugh Jackman and Anne Hathaway in the final scenes). I think Hooper may have emphasized toning it down too much in certain scenes. Plus Russell Crowe and Amanda Seyfried's limited ranges.

I think if they do Miss Saigon for example or anything written by Sondheim, I would love the return of live singing. I do not think that should be the case if they ever make Avenue Q or Wicked into a movie. ;)

Should be interesting to see how the genre evolves in the coming years.
 
I saw it, I was completely inconsolable at the end.
My only criticism is all those darn closeups.
 
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Saw it for the third time today. We took my aunt, who fell to pieces about 10 minutes into the show when we first saw it in 1989 and really hasn't stopped crying over it ever since. By the end of the movie, she had literally filled an empty popcorn bag with all of the tissues she'd gone through. She said it was one of the best movies she'd ever seen.

She wasn't the worst cryer, though...plenty of people were crying at the end, but then one guy blew his nose so loud it sounded like a foghorn, and people started laughing in the theater. It was pretty hilarious. :funny:

And after three times seeing the movie, I still love it...and most especially, I can honestly say that I ****ing love Hugh's "Bring Him Home".

I loved it the first time I saw it. It made me cry the second time I saw it. And I just loved the hell out of it when I saw it again today.

And I'm not going to go all pseudo-vocal coach on what he could or couldn't do with his voice in that scene. I've seen Hugh sing live on Broadway 7 times, he sang exactly like I know he sings. And I love how he sings, so it's all good.

But that was the first time I ever saw that song as being the moment when Valjean finally let Cosette go. When he's walking through the rooms singing, almost sorting through it all, it's like by the end he finally understands that Marius isn't just some threat that came along to take away his little girl, but that he's just a kid, and young, and scared, and it's not just about getting Cosette what she wants by saving him, but ensuring Marius' happiness as well. That Valjean figures out that it's not just about his own happiness.

We had this whole discussion about it at dinner after the movie (and thanks to some sort of computer disaster at the Olive Garden, it wound up being a long discussion :oldrazz: ), it was one of the moments we agreed took on a different meaning in the movie from the stage version.

But I do love his "Bring Him Home." Sue me. :oldrazz:
 
I just saw it tonight. I was very torn on it. I didn't adore it but I didn't loathe it. More to come in a bit
 
Though he's clearly not the best singer, I think we can all agree that Russell Crowe sings better.......than Pierce Brosnan in "Mama Mia"
 
One person commented, "what a fake smile Anne has!" . I think she is actually laughing on this one, but trying to imagine that this is Anne's idea of "smile" made me laugh so hard....

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Anne is on cloud nine right now. She got married last year, she's in her dream movie, Les Miserables. She knows she'll get an Academy Award nomination or maybe even a win this year. She was Selina Kyle in The Dark Knight Rises last year, talk about exposure. The media adores her right now. She's at the top of her game right now!

The Sad Off with Samuel L. Jackson was good exposure too. Last year was her year. I'm sure her publicist got a nice (Christmas) bonus to end the year.
 
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Saw it for the third time today. We took my aunt, who fell to pieces about 10 minutes into the show when we first saw it in 1989 and really hasn't stopped crying over it ever since. By the end of the movie, she had literally filled an empty popcorn bag with all of the tissues she'd gone through. She said it was one of the best movies she'd ever seen.

She wasn't the worst cryer, though...plenty of people were crying at the end, but then one guy blew his nose so loud it sounded like a foghorn, and people started laughing in the theater. It was pretty hilarious. :funny:

And after three times seeing the movie, I still love it...and most especially, I can honestly say that I ****ing love Hugh's "Bring Him Home".

I loved it the first time I saw it. It made me cry the second time I saw it. And I just loved the hell out of it when I saw it again today.

And I'm not going to go all pseudo-vocal coach on what he could or couldn't do with his voice in that scene. I've seen Hugh sing live on Broadway 7 times, he sang exactly like I know he sings. And I love how he sings, so it's all good.

But that was the first time I ever saw that song as being the moment when Valjean finally let Cosette go. When he's walking through the rooms singing, almost sorting through it all, it's like by the end he finally understands that Marius isn't just some threat that came along to take away his little girl, but that he's just a kid, and young, and scared, and it's not just about getting Cosette what she wants by saving him, but ensuring Marius' happiness as well. That Valjean figures out that it's not just about his own happiness.

We had this whole discussion about it at dinner after the movie (and thanks to some sort of computer disaster at the Olive Garden, it wound up being a long discussion :oldrazz: ), it was one of the moments we agreed took on a different meaning in the movie from the stage version.

But I do love his "Bring Him Home." Sue me. :oldrazz:
I saw it again for the third time with my cousin, who has never seen the stage show or even knew what it was about, but I gave her a "synopsis" before we went. Heard sniffling throughout the movie, and at the end she let out a big "awww..." and said she was sniffling at the end, she loved it. First time seeing it there was no clapping at the end, but I did hear lots of groans, like they had just been through the ringer, and people didn't move for a few seconds, like they were stunned. I did hear snippets of comments on the acting (I heard "Hugh Jackman...") but I didn't hear the whole conversations.

This is the first time I noticed the
concrete in Javert's suicide and the "noise" - at first I thought it was just a splash into the water and didn't notice anything the first two times, but a friend pointed out the concrete so I looked for it this time and finally saw it and knew the noise wasn't just a splash.

Paid more attention to different things this time, like the student deaths since I just watched an Aaron interview explaining how that happened and what was cut. And this time I noticed more of the "barricade boys" parts than before and who sang what. Each time I see it, I notice a bit more.

Love your BHH explanation! And the ending of this movie gets me every time! I told my cousin it was coming back to Broadway in 2014 and we should go see it (I've never seen it on Broadway, only at th Papermill Playhouse) and she said "DEFINITELY!!!!"
 
If its coming back to Broadway next year, it will be my 10th time seeing the show! Very excited. :woot:
 
The Sad Off is great!! I'd love to se that as a DVD extra, maybe an Easter egg or something.

And Cameron Mackintosh is very canny, he knew that a successful movie would only spur greater ticket sales for the live show and greater demand and popularity for the show in general. Not only is the movie soundtrack #1 on Amazon.com right now but there are five other various LM cast albums and recordings on the Amazon Top 100 charts as well.
 
As expected, the movie crossed $100 million this weekend. :up:

The show I saw yesterday was completely sold out, and there was a long line to get into the next show when we left.

I also stayed through the credits for the first time yesterday - noticed a thank you at the end to all of the casts of the stage musical since 1985 for taking 'such good care of our Cosette' (or something like that).
 
How about this analysis ("4" means it was # 4 this weekend):

4. "Les Miserables" (Universal) Week 2 - Last Weekend: #3

$16,100,000 (-41%) in 2,904 theaters (+90); PSA: $5,550; Cumulative: $103,600,000

The good news easily exceeds the less good news for the second weekend for this front-ended musical hit. Over $100 million in under two weeks, adding another hefty total to push this to that level, most of the world yet to open and Oscar nominations ahead -- what could be a problem?

The clouds on the horizon, such as they are, concern how much higher this will go, particularly compared to expectations for its first great days. This weekend comes in at about $2 million less than its opening Christmas Day, not a great sign. ("Django Unchained," also a 12/25 opener, did $5 million more). It has now fallen behind "Django" in total gross. The 41% drop is a sign of mixed word of mouth.

Still, to have grossed this much with its first two weekends ranked at three and now four is pretty extraordinary (and a factor of the grossing potential of Christmas week and right after). This could easily end up being the highest grossing film never to be in the top two for a weekend - not a bad distinction, but a little less than hoped for.

What comes next: The upcoming nomination Oscar total -- the range could be fairly wide -- will help to keep the film visible for the near future (although it also means that Universal would have to spend extra marketing dollars, often just a trade-off for revenue). But it could be a challenge for this to keep playing down the line when rivals like "Zero Dark Thirty" and even "Lincoln" have stronger legs.

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Got back from my 3rd viewing. :)
 
Extended cut? I enjoyed it but it was too long as it is, especially the ending which lost some of its impact.
 
I'll be happy if they just release the expanded soundtrack. And if they put Dog Eat Dog back.
 
An extended version would need Dog Eat Dog and the full wedding scene with Master of the House.

Do DVD sales count as part of the box office total? If so, this movie could really bring in much more $$$!
 
Yeah, this movie's going to make a ton of money. This isn't like The Avengers; the audience for this one is older, and will see this movie more often throughout its life cycle rather than the first week. I suspect Les Miz will be in the Top 10 or even Top 5 up until a week after the Oscars.
 
i'd be down with a extended cut :D
wouldn't mind an expanded soundtrack too
 
My thoughts on the movie

Direction -
I think it was directed as best as this movie can be for the general audience. The pacing is quick, but I personally liked it. Don't think there was anything grand or special about it though. I'm happy he didn't over-serious the movie or make it cut your wrists depressing; it was filmed with the proper dignity.

Cinematography -
Just gotta get it out of the way, the majority of all the uber up-close shots were bad and it rarely worked. Most of the time it worked to the actors' disadvantages. Other than that, the framing was very hit or miss. I could do with less Dutch angles and the framing in some scenes was just off. I really liked the exterior shots of France though.

Music -
I'll go on about each actor in their sections. The music/score as a whole I felt wasn't grand enough for the musical it is. It wasn't cheap sounding, but I found it overly underwhelming personally. It needed more umph to it. I'm sure someone will say the actors voices are supposed to be the standout performances in the music, and I get that, but I disagree it had to be the way it was for all the music. Didn't really care much for Suddenly either. Just felt kind of tacked on.

Script -
I wasn't disappointed that it wasn't fully sung dialogue, I felt the added dialogue wasn't jarring, it moved the plot along as much as the lyrics, and I appreciated some of the lyrics switched to not being sung. I will say though, I found it off that a lot of lyrics were switched around for no discernible reason; It honestly felt like those times in live theater where an actor messes up a line and another makes up for it. I notice it happen in the Preist's silver giving lyrics and Lovely Ladies mainly.

Hugh Jackman -
I'll just flat out say it. I wasn't happy with him in the role. He wasn't horrible or anything, but he just was not right for the role vocally. In fact his singing was overly nasal, especially in the higher parts; it was too raw. The uber-close up shots of him were very off-putting as well as he seemed to only be able to pull off a couple of facial expressions in some of his songs(Who Am I the first time, particularly). I also felt he butchered Bring Him Home. Other than his singing, I will say he did a good job acting as Valjean, though at times he seemed a bit going through the motions and not bringing much of his own to the role.

Russel Crowe -
Bad choice vocally for the role. I'm not gonna say he can't sing, I do detect his ability to hold a note, but Javert clearly was not meant to be sung with Crowe's voice. With that said, he acted the hell out of the role, and I'm not a big fan of him.

Anne Hathaway -
Amazing, beautiful, one of if not the strongest performer of the movie. I still have minor issues with her voice, but she was Fantine in and out. It was heartbreaking seeing the whole dock series of events, and ending with the sailor in the boat. I was thrown off a bit at her I Dreamed A Dream as it sounded a lot stronger and more emotional than in the trailer where I thought maybe they recorded two different versions, but I think Hathaway was just that good. I still would have preferred a bit less vibrato and more belting, but nothing to discount her performance.

Eddie Redmayne -
Pleasantly surprised with his singing voice, it was a lot richer than I expected. He had similar issues to Jackman when it came to the uber-close up shots, I really think it only worked to his benefit with Empty Chairs at Empty Tables. It was a pretty great performance for what I find to be a semi-boring character.

Amanda Seyfried -
Her vibrato needs to die. Other than that, she was what I expected. I find Cosette's character semi-boring as well. I mean I know she's the poster girl, and one of the story's main driving plots, but I think compared to the rest of the characters, she's the least interesting of the 9-10 of them.

Samantha Barks -
Beautiful, heartbreaking, raw; So happy with everything she did. On My Own, while not performed as belty as usual, was great. Barks really portrayed the longing for Marius better than I anticipated. I also appreciated a new look of what Eponine would be doing during One Day More. Also her time at the barricade, I really felt she matured in a short time; all other times I've seen a performance, the actress always played it like she still has a chance with Marius, but here I felt she accepted that Marius was going to be all about Cosette but will continue to be one of the best friends he's ever had. I also liked [blackout]how she was shot at the barricade.[/blackout] Was a lot more emotional and part of why I felt she grew as a character. [blackout]Was sad but understood the replacement of her part in the finale with Valjean and Fontine.[/blackout] I hope to see Barks in more movies soon.
Randomness, I was surprised how tight they got that corset on her; not to compare her to the horrid Megan Fox, but it literally made me think of Fox in Jonah Hex every time I saw it. :oldrazz:

Aaron Tveit -
First; Yummy. Second; Brought exactly what I expected to the role. Had a tough, hardass semi-badass vibe to him, and I loved how intense he played his loyalties to the Revolution. Most times I've seen it performed, the actor either came off as dickish, unrelatable, and/or overly suave. The seriousness that Tveit brought and his last stand with Grantaire, I just loved it.

Sascha Baron Cohen & Helena Bonham Carter -
They just get a big meh from me. Cohen sleep-walked through the role and Carter was Mrs. Lovett-lite. I did appreciate how the Master of the House Reprise was performed/filmed, I was happy it wasn't some dancey ball thing. The first Master of the House though....it just didn't have the fun factor to me. I just think they should have been a bit more animated in their roles. I understand Hooper was going the serious route, but even in the serious world, there are animated characters.

Daniel Huttlestone and Isabelle Allen -
This is how you utilize child actors. Both were awesome in their respective roles as Gavroche and young Cosette; both sang beautifully, they escaped becoming the annoying useless kid syndrome most movies with kids have. Gavroche in particular could have came off as the worst character, but Huttlestones performance gave it such heart and soul, where you definitely felt for him at the barricade and with Javert's badge.

Overall, I think it could have been a hell of a lot better, however, I am happy with the final product. I'm amazed at how much was accomplished and how many details from the book managed to get in. I may not have enjoyed it fully, but the production definitely felt like everyone put their all into it good or bad, save for one actor.

I give it a 7.5 / 10
 
Did anyone have sound issues in their theater? My friend who works at the Regal chain got an email from Universal saying all theaters had this problem. I don't think I believe all theaters, but there have been a lot of complaints. Might have actually been the sound mixing.
 

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