The Wolverine Let The Claws Do The Talking - Rate & Review "The Wolverine"

[Paladin-Hoss]

I dunno how accurate that poll is to measure the general audience reaction.

It's like having a poll here on SHH.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

Yeah but audences at least domesticly aren't turning out for the wolverine.It has basiclly
had same opening weeking that first class got.Overseas Is a different story but still.

If i remember correctly, the initial response/interest for Origin was great. The movie had a big opening.It was the word of mouth that eventually killed it.

That and the leaked movie being online before the movie was even released.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Why?

It's always used as a reference point to bash the ever living crap out of X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine. But now that it can be used as evidence in favor of them, it isn't accurate??

Rotten Tomatoes doesn't poll people that have a pre-conceived bias like they would here on the Hype, either those who are going to love it from the jump, or those who have made up their minds that they are going to hate it regardless.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

They didn't used that audience poll as basis to criticize the movie, since i think that most of us knows that online viewer polls are unreliable at best. They used the critics score.

 

[danoyse]

Didn't you give X-Men Origins: Wolverine a 9?

Really? How bored are you?

Yes, but only because I added extra points because I said Hugh looked good and I knew it would drive a former troll on here up a wall to see that score. It's not a good movie, but it had a few moments and the view was spectacular.

For the record, I gave this one a 10. Do I think it's a 10? No. But I got to go up on stage and meet Hugh before the movie started, so I obviously think it's the best X-Men movie ever now.

I rarely vote in polls, and I never give number scores when I review movies. I'd rather discuss them then grade them.

Are you planning to go back into the Origins thread and pull out anyone else's review for any reason?

 

[Golgo-13]

Yeah but audences at least domesticly aren't turning out for the wolverine.It has basiclly
had same opening weeking that first class got.Overseas Is a different story but still.

Might be a case like Hulk 2003 hurting the b.o of Hulk 2008. But as i understand it, the GE liked Origins:Wolverine.

 

[Lord]

Why?

It's always used as a reference point to bash the ever living crap out of X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine. But now that it can be used as evidence in favor of them, it isn't accurate??

Rotten Tomatoes doesn't poll people that have a pre-conceived bias like they would here on the Hype, either those who are going to love it from the jump, or those who have made up their minds that they are going to hate it regardless.

Most people don't really judge films, they go have a good time, look at this site for example

http://www.wareztuga.tv/

Don't worry about the language, you can search for films in english and you will find them if they have it, you will notice that almost every film has around 8 out of 10, even Uwe Boll's works.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

They didn't used that audience poll as basis to criticize the movie, since i think that most of us knows that online viewer polls are unreliable at best. They used the critics score.

The viewer poll is still evidence that the general audience doesn't hate the movie as much as people want the general audience to hate it.

The people who hate these movies have an obvious agenda, as evidenced by the guy danoyse is currently engaged with, calling her out for a high rating of X-Men Origins: Wolverine

Who cares? I love that movie. She loves that movie. What's the problem with the fact that yes, people actually like these movies? Why can't people just accept that?

 

[danoyse]

My fav part of the movie too. Loved how Mangold showed us how weak Wolverine is not just during fight scenes-which would be the easy way to do-but also while he was doing normal things. Another fav scene of mine is when they showed how tired Logan was after Mariko asked him to cut that tree..


Mariko: 'what's wrong?'

Logan:...tired..

Mariko; This'll help..(gives Logan an apple)

Dunno why..but i just love that little scene

I loved that too. And when they were on the bus together, and he just looked terrible and she could see how badly he slept. The scenes with the two of them were so good.

The other thing I loved was that he had a radio at the beginning. Yashida had this whole notion that he wanted to die, but someone who wants to die doesn't take a radio into seclusion with him, to listen to anything from the outside world. That's someone who's hiding.

 

[danoyse]

The viewer poll is still evidence that the general audience doesn't hate the movie as much as people want the general audience to hate it.

The people who hate these movies have an obvious agenda, as evidenced by the guy danoyse is currently engaged with, calling her out for a high rating of X-Men Origins: Wolverine

Who cares? I love that movie. She loves that movie. What's the problem with the fact that yes, people actually like these movies? Why can't people just accept that?

A lot of people like Origins. Nothing wrong with that.

Opinions...we're all entitled to them.

Origins was fun to watch in the theater because the crowd was really into it (my friend leaned so far out of her seat when Logan ran around naked that she almost fell into the row in front of us). For me, in the time that's passed, I just have more and more problems with it.

Although I can still watch it better than I can watch X3. I really have less patience for that one.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

I loved that too. And when they were on the bus together, and he just looked terrible and she could see how badly he slept. The scenes with the two of them were so good.

The other thing I loved was that he had a radio at the beginning. Yashida had this whole notion that he wanted to die, but someone who wants to die doesn't take a radio into seclusion with him, to listen to anything from the outside world. That's someone who's hiding.

Ha! loved that scene too!Logan was snoring!

And you're right about the radio too.Heh that brought up other fav scene of mine, Logan and the Bear both marking their territories together

Funny that the things i remember most from this movie are the little things

 

[BH/HHH]

Don't get me wrong, like I mentioned I love Jackman as Wolvie...but after 3 X-Movies, now two solo films and the fact he will he a heavy player in DOFP....I'm almost Wolverined out.

Fair enough, hope you don't think I was saying you're wring btw I just love Wolvie. He's always been my favourite X-Man.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

The viewer poll is still evidence that the general audience doesn't hate the movie as much as people want the general audience to hate it.

The people who hate these movies have an obvious agenda, as evidenced by the guy danoyse is currently engaged with, calling her out for a high rating of X-Men Origins: Wolverine

Who cares? I love that movie. She loves that movie. What's the problem with the fact that yes, people actually like these movies? Why can't people just accept that?

You must've missed my post where i said that i LOVED origin

I wasn't talking about me...i was talking about what i think OTHER people thought about the movie

 

[Lord]

The viewer poll is still evidence that the general audience doesn't hate the movie as much as people want the general audience to hate it.

The people who hate these movies have an obvious agenda, as evidenced by the guy danoyse is currently engaged with, calling her out for a high rating of X-Men Origins: Wolverine

Who cares? I love that movie. She loves that movie. What's the problem with the fact that yes, people actually like these movies? Why can't people just accept that?

Yeah, i asked that so i must really have an evil agenda, i must be an evil person who dislikes people having a good time watching a film

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

A lot of people like Origins. Nothing wrong with that.

Opinions...we're all entitled to them.

Origins was fun to watch in the theater because the crowd was really into it (my friend leaned so far out of her seat when Logan ran around naked that she almost fell into the row in front of us). For me, in the time that's passed, I just have more and more problems with it.

Although I can still watch it better than I can watch X3. I really have less patience for that one.

Oh, I definitely have problems with it and X-Men 3 both. Always did, always will.

But I also see a lot of what was done right in both films, and I think a lot was done right that people refuse to acknowledge simply because it got stuff wrong. For comic book accuracy, the beloved X-Men: First Class got way more wrong than probably X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine combined (and that's saying something, lol). As films, separate from comic book accuracy, X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine both did lots wrong, but I don't find them to be some atrocities offensive to the human race by their very existence. They were both a bit too fast paced and suffered from a lack of character development in some areas, but there were also some really good aspects of film making and storytelling in both these films as well.

When it comes down to it, X-Men: The Last Stand is still probably one of my favorites in the entire series, and while X-Men Origins: Wolverine is probably my least favorite of the series, there's still a lot of aspects about it that I really enjoy, and despite being my least favorite, I still really like.

Yeah, i asked that so i must really have an evil agenda, i must be an evil person who dislikes people having a good time watching a film

Nobody said anything about evil, but I don't understand why you even had to bring up her giving X-Men Origins: Wolverine a high rating unless you were trying to somehow discredit her or bash her rating.

I have a high rating of the movie also. What significance does that hold to a conversation about The Wolverine?

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

Oh, I definitely have problems with it and X-Men 3 both. Always did, always will.

But I also see a lot of what was done right in both films, and I think a lot was done right that people refuse to acknowledge simply because it got stuff wrong. For comic book accuracy, the beloved X-Men: First Class got way more wrong than probably X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine combined (and that's saying something, lol). As films, separate from comic book accuracy, X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine both did lots wrong, but I don't find them to be some atrocities offensive to the human race by their very existence. They were both a bit too fast paced and suffered from a lack of character development in some areas, but there were also some really good aspects of film making and storytelling in both these films as well.

When it comes down to it, X-Men: The Last Stand is still probably one of my favorites in the entire series, and while X-Men Origins: Wolverine is probably my least favorite of the series, there's still a lot of aspects about it that I really enjoy, and despite being my least favorite, I still really like.

So, we've pretty much have the same opinions when it comes to both these movies, so what the frikk are we even arguing about?!?

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

The general audience.

You made the claim that the general audience didn't like it, I made the claim that the general audience did like it.

Relevance: You made the claim that X-Men Origins: Wolverine hurt the box office for The Wolverine. I am countering that claim, because it is my belief that the general audience likes X-Men Origins: Wolverine, and that the hatred amongst the fanboys does not extend to the general audience.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

Ah yes..got off track for awhile.

I think that the GA liked it , but they didn't loved it...and they also didn't outright hated it like for example what happened with GL movie.

In short, the movie was met with indifference reaction by the GA..They liked it enough, but not enough for them to wanna see another one.So the anticipation for the next installment was...gone.

That was my point.

 

[danoyse]

Ha! loved that scene too!Logan was snoring!

And you're right about the radio too.Heh that brought up other fav scene of mine, Logan and the Bear both marking their territories together

Funny that the things i remember most from this movie are the little things

I know! I feel like this is the first X-Men movie that I can watch over and over just notice all of these subtleties about it.

 

[danoyse]

Yeah, i asked that so i must really have an evil agenda, i must be an evil person who dislikes people having a good time watching a film

Nobody said anything about evil, but I don't understand why you even had to bring up her giving X-Men Origins: Wolverine a high rating unless you were trying to somehow discredit her or bash her rating.

I have a high rating of the movie also. What significance does that hold to a conversation about The Wolverine?

And if someone thinks that it will discredit me:

That's Hugh Jackman talking to me. Your argument is invalid.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I think the lack of box office for X-Men: First Class and The Wolverine is a combination of things.

I would probably agree with you that the general audience didn't "love" it. But in all honesty, I don't think the general audience "loved" any of these movies. They are good. The audience likes them. But these movies aren't changing Hollywood.

I think that X-Men: The Last Stand was billed as "the last one", and here we are on our 3rd X-Men movie since "the last one". I think there's a level of audience being worn out.

I think that both X-Men: First Class and The Wolverine were short on well known mutants. X-Men Origins: Wolverine at least capitalized on the fact that people wanted to see known mutants like Gambit, Cyclops, etc. I'm not criticizing the creative decisions made by X-Men: First Class and The Wolverine on what mutants to use, as a fan of the comics and source material, I'm okay with them using lesser knowns, because even those lesser knowns can be very beloved characters for the fans. But for the general audience, nobody gives a crap about Banshee, and people give even less of a crap about Yukio and Mariko.

Both movies were released in July which isn't the peak season during the summer.

I don't think it can simply be pointed to "Well X-Men Origins: Wolverine sucked so nobody wants to see anymore"

I think it's in large part because X-Men: The Last Stand was "the last one" that was supposed to wrap everything up, and yet, they keep making movies. That kind of thing wears on a general audience. They feel the story has been told, but yet, they keep coming out. It gets to a point where it probably feels forced.

And to a level, they are right. I love X-Men: First Class (probably my favorite X-Men movie so far), and I highly enjoyed The Wolverine, but even I'm reaching a point where I'm hyped less, and I'm a huge X-Men fanboy. I've also reached that level of "they told their story" and gotten to the point where I don't feel like the ongoing movies are necessary. See, X2 set up plot points that made X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine necessary, but X-Men: First Class was a story that basically told us what we already knew (Magneto and Xavier used to be friends) and The Wolverine told a story that is completely separate from anything any of the other movies are telling. Again, not a knock on the creative decisions, but as a general audience member, there's gotta be a sense of "what's the point?" They already invested in the story that was brought to a close, and now here's all these random movies after a storyline was concluded.

At this point, it's rather obvious that Fox is just churning out movies to keep the rights alive more than anything else. It's just rather ironic that movies like X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine, which were more "vital" to the narrative, are the ones that are criticized for not being taken seriously, whereas movies like X-Men: First Class, The Wolverine, and seemingly X-Men: Days Of Future Past, which are nothing more than cash grabs to keep the franchise rights alive, are the ones that are being treated seriously and getting the "good film making" approach.

I think that has more to do with a lackluster box office than some notion that the GA "hated" X-Men: The Last Stand or X-Men Origins: Wolverine, which they didn't, and anyways that doesn't hold much anyways because the LAST movie of the franchise to come out, X-Men: First Class, was beloved by like... everyone.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

And if someone thinks that it will discredit me:

That's Hugh Jackman is talking to me. Your argument is invalid.

That's so awesome that you got to meet him before the show!!

 

[SuperT]

Just saw it last night and really liked it. Would give it an 8/10. The end battle really brought it down for me because it just didn't fit with the whole tone of the movie. Other than that, very solid movie.

Really liked the whole tone and how it didn't feel like your typical blockbuster superhero movie which is sad that Fox marketed it that way.

 

[danoyse]

That's so awesome that you got to meet him before the show!!

It was crazy!!! (I'll continue in spoiler tags, to spare everyone who's already heard this a million times this week)

Spoiler

That was the Wolverine Fan Event screening NYC on Tuesday. Me and two other guys got picked to go up on stage to ask hm a question! (it was "How is Logan different in this film than in the previous X-Men movies?", they gave us the questions before he got there).

But he asked my name when I got on the stage and everything, so that's basically me trying not to have a heart attack. It was so cool!

And Poni_Boy took that picture! We actually met briefly before Hugh got there, but neither of us knew we knew each other from here.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I'm jelly, for real! t:t: