Let's not ride the bandwagon

[Northern Lights]

I disagree, to an extent.

If i said "In my opinion the sky is not blue, it is green" that opinion would be wrong. Of course it would be.

Same way someone saying "In my opinion there was nothing wrong with the Deus Ex Machina Butler from SM3. It was good writing" that opinion would be wrong.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I disagree, to an extent.

If i said "In my opinion the sky is not blue, it is green" that opinion would be wrong. Of course it would be.

Same way someone saying "In my opinion there was nothing wrong with the Deus Ex Machina Butler from SM3. It was good writing" that opinion would be wrong.

The difference is, there are FACTS to prove your opinion of the sky wrong. There are no facts to prove that a deus ex machina is bad writing. In fact, there was a time when deus ex machinas were simply put, how stories were written.

 

[Northern Lights]

While I won't be giving Megan Fox an Academy Award anytime soon, I wouldn't call her "bad" - her acting isn't "unbelievable" to me, and it doesn't take me out of the movie. As long as she stays in movies like Transformers or something where she doesn't need a lot of depth, I think that she's an appropriate actress for her roles.

One single "deus ex machina" doesn't ruin an entire movie.

Special effects are about the last thing that can ruin a movie. Does that mean that movies from the 80's and 90's that didn't have the technology we do now are all "bad" movies because their special effects suck?

The purpose of a movie is to entertain. Nothing else. If the movie doesn't entertain, then it is not good to those that it entertained. If the movie does entertain, then it is good to those that it entertained. Simple.

Yes, there is a difference between a movie like The Godfather vs. X-Men: The Last Stand. Which movie do I enjoy more? X-Men: The Last Stand. I would say that The Godfather is a better made movie.

It would be like comparing Linkin Park (a band I absolutely love) to a band like The Beatles (a band I absolutely hate), and trying to say that Linkin Park was a more talented band. Obviously, the more talented band is The Beatles, but I think the better music comes from Linkin Park.

Well, obviously The Godfather is a more technically speaking, better made movie, but IMO X-Men: The Last Stand is the better of the 2 movies.

I think that is what CelticPredator was trying to say all along.

You prefer Linkin Park to the Beatles. But you admit the Beatles are more talented.

That is the same thing as saying you prefer ... movie. But admitting it is a bad movie.

There is nothing wrong with liking a bad movie. But at least acknowledge it is bad. At least in a technical, film making sense.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I don't think Ben Affleck is bad, but a lot of people do.

He owned in Reindeer Games!

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I think that is what CelticPredator was trying to say all along.

You prefer Linkin Park to the Beatles. But you admit the Beatles are more talented.

That is the same thing as saying you prefer ... movie. But admitting it is a bad movie.

There is nothing wrong with liking a bad movie. But at least acknowledge it is bad. At least in a technical, film making sense.

But still, what is "bad"?

I have, and always have acknowledged that X-Men: The Last Stand has flaws. However, I never once felt like I was watching a "bad" movie that I enjoyed. I have always felt that it was a -good- movie, that just happened to have some flaws in it.

Same with Linkin Park. I don't believe that they are "bad" music that I happen to like. I happen to think that their music is pretty amazing, actually. It just happens to be -simple- (during a phase where I was trying to learn to play guitar, I taught myself to play a few Linkin Park songs on the guitar).

But IMO, simplicity =/= "bad"

I would call X-Men: The Last Stand or Linkin Park "simple", but in no way do I believe they are "bad".

The Godfather, or The Beatles, have a lot more that go into them than the movies and bands that I like. But to me that does not make them "better"

 

[Figs]

I think that is what CelticPredator was trying to say all along.

You prefer Linkin Park to the Beatles. But you admit the Beatles are more talented.

That is the same thing as saying you prefer ... movie. But admitting it is a bad movie.

There is nothing wrong with liking a bad movie. But at least acknowledge it is bad. At least in a technical, film making sense.

Another good example is the fact that I can enjoy films like Ghost Rider and Punisher War Zone in the sense that they're so bad they're good and make me chuckle and laugh at times.

As films though...they're pieces of **** but still slightly entertaining for me in dumb ways.

 

[Northern Lights]

Another good example is the fact that I can enjoy films like Ghost Rider and Punisher War Zone in the sense that they're so bad they're good and make me chuckle and laugh at times.

As films though...they're pieces of **** but still slightly entertaining for me in dumb ways.

Totally agreed!

I got a real kick out of Punisher War Zone. But i will readily accept that in film making terms... it is utterly, utterly atrocious.

 

[Manic]

I disagree, to an extent.

If i said "In my opinion the sky is not blue, it is green" that opinion would be wrong. Of course it would be.

Same way someone saying "In my opinion there was nothing wrong with the Deus Ex Machina Butler from SM3. It was good writing" that opinion would be wrong.

"The sky is blue/green" isn't an opinion. That's a statement of fact. Beginning a sentence with "In my opinion" doesn't make it an opinion.

For example, "The default vBulletin skin is mainly blue and white" isn't an opinion. Placing positive or negative traits (ie. "The default vBulletin skin is the best") would make it an opinion.

 

[Northern Lights]

I think it comes down to people wanting some kind of justification or validation for liking something.

I like Punisher War Zone. But like i said, it is a terrible movie. I don't care.

But it seems to me some people will keep defending a blatantly terrible movie just to justify that they like it. Why can't more people just admit they like bad things? There is nothing wrong with that.

Same thing for McDonalds or something. There is absolutely no doubt that McDonalds food is terrible. Doesn't mean you can't like it... and you don't need to justify why you like it.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

so, since you think it is terrible, I have to admit spider-man 3 was terrible, although I feel it is fantastic?

 

[Northern Lights]

I never said it was terrible. I said it was bad. And yes i think you should admit it, if you look at it from a film making POV anyway.

Under developed characters such as Eddie Brock. Poorly characterized characters such as MJ. A friggin MASSIVE Deus Ex Machina right at the end.

If someone can counter these points and explain to me how they are not indicative of a bad movie, then i will eat my hat.

 

[Manic]

I think it comes down to people wanting some kind of justification or validation for liking something.

I like Punisher War Zone. But like i said, it is a terrible movie. I don't care.

But it seems to me some people will keep defending a blatantly terrible movie just to justify that they like it. Why can't more people just admit they like bad things? There is nothing wrong with that.

Same thing for McDonalds or something. There is absolutely no doubt that McDonalds food is terrible. Doesn't mean you can't like it... and you don't need to justify why you like it.

Some people don't think some of the things they like are terrible. I like some things that I think are bad, but there are some things I like that I think are good that other people see as bad.

 

[Sam Fisher]

I never said it was terrible. I said it was bad. And yes i think you should admit it, if you look at it from a film making POV anyway.

Under developed characters such as Eddie Brock. Poorly characterized characters such as MJ. A friggin MASSIVE Deus Ex Machina right at the end.

If someone can counter these points and explain to me how they are not indicative of a bad movie, then i will eat my hat.

Not everyone looks at flim from a critic's POV.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I never said it was terrible. I said it was bad. And yes i think you should admit it, if you look at it from a film making POV anyway.

Under developed characters such as Eddie Brock. Poorly characterized characters such as MJ. A friggin MASSIVE Deus Ex Machina right at the end.

If someone can counter these points and explain to me how they are not indicative of a bad movie, then i will eat my hat.

I get what you are saying. It's all good.

Like Kung Pow Enter the Fist, from a film making point of view, is not the greatest film. However, I think it's one of the greatest comedies of our modern era.

 

[scifiwolf]

I saw this thread and I immediately thought about UNC fans. And 90% of people cheering for the favorite team in the Super Bowl. Not just for picking a team, but picking a team they know nothing about because every damn person has to latch on to the backstory that tugs at the heartstrings. I caught so much crap for sticking to my guns and pulling for Peyton Manning in February.

 

[Northern Lights]

Not everyone looks at flim from a critic's POV.

Neither am i.

You don't need to be a critic to think that scene with the Butler and Harry at the end of SM3 was atrociously poor writing.

You don't need to be a critic to realize Eddie Brock's motivations for hating Peter Parker and actually wanting him DEAD were pathetic and totally unbelievable.

You don't need to be a critic to realize that MJ was a terrible person in SM3. Why the hell did Peter want to be with her? She was a ****ing *****! lol

"OH BTW Harry, your best friend didn't kill your dad, it was his own fault. I didn't tell you before because i thought it was funny seeing you brood and slowly lose your mind for the last few years!"

I get what you are saying. It's all good.

Like Kung Pow Enter the Fist, from a film making point of view, is not the greatest film. However, I think it's one of the greatest comedies of our modern era.

Exactly man

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

I never said it was terrible. I said it was bad. And yes i think you should admit it, if you look at it from a film making POV anyway.

Spoiler

Under developed characters such as Eddie Brock. Poorly characterized characters such as MJ. A friggin MASSIVE Deus Ex Machina right at the end.

If someone can counter these points and explain to me how they are not indicative of a bad movie, then i will eat my hat.

here's the thing about critics : they can kiss my ass.

but you want to explain, let's explain.

brock : obviously, I am a venom fan. but no matter how hard you try, you CAN NOT develop brock as a character.Or venom, for that fact. They are both soulless, weak, one-note characters who are overused in the comics, overrated, and he has a crap motivation. Eddie, with the exception of maybe one or two scenes (that I know were filmed but not released) was as developed as he would/could ever get, not to mention Raimi improves on the character as a whole.

MJ wasn't poorly characterized, tbh. In this one she was just a rude *****.

Dues ex machina : Can't really explain that it wasn't dumb, but in the novel it's explained that maybe bernard wasn't there. Maybe it was a side-effect of the goblin serum, and that bernard telling him was all in his head.


either way, how's that hate taste?

 

[Sam Fisher]

I like X-men 3. Now it's fine that people hate it. But in my opinion, I think it is a good movie. If I have to "admit" to it being terrible even though I think it is a good movie, then I would be lieing to myself. And why would I do that?

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I like X-men 3. Now it's fine that people hate it. But in my opinion, I think it is a good movie. If I have to "admit" to it being terrible even though I think it is a good movie, then I would be lieing to myself. And why would I do that?

Exactly, thank you Splinter Cell!

 

[ALP]

I like Sam Raimi and Joel Schumacher, always will. There's you bandwagon!

 

[Figs]

I like X-men 3. Now it's fine that people hate it. But in my opinion, I think it is a good movie. If I have to "admit" to it being terrible even though I think it is a good movie, then I would be lieing to myself. And why would I do that?

I have to admit, as much as I was letdown by X3 I will still watch it every once and a great while. Now Spider-Man 3, that's a whole other story. I've tried twice to watch it on DVD and just can't get through it. I saw it in the theatre and walked out feeling letdown and looked at the movie as one big "meh".

 

[SpideyInATree]

I saw this thread and I immediately thought about UNC fans. And 90% of people cheering for the favorite team in the Super Bowl. Not just for picking a team, but picking a team they know nothing about because every damn person has to latch on to the backstory that tugs at the heartstrings. I caught so much crap for sticking to my guns and pulling for Peyton Manning in February.

Sports are the worst for bandwagoning.

Living in Pittsburgh is a great thing to watch. The past two seasons of hockey the Penguins have been really amazing and suddenly EVERY person in Pittsburgh is suddenly the biggest fan of hockey.

Same thing goes with the Steelers too.

Don't see too many Pirates fans out there. Haha! However, I always stick with my Pittsburgh sports teams. Always have. You gotta support your cities teams. Especially when you are paying taxes on the new stadiums that they built.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Sports are the worst for bandwagoning.

Living in Pittsburgh is a great thing to watch. The past two seasons of hockey the Penguins have been really amazing and suddenly EVERY person in Pittsburgh is suddenly the biggest fan of hockey.

Same thing goes with the Steelers too.

Don't see too many Pirates fans out there. Haha! However, I always stick with my Pittsburgh sports teams. Always have. You gotta support your cities teams. Especially when you are paying taxes on the new stadiums that they built.

Sports are horrible for bandwagoning, so glad that I'm not a bandwagon sports fan

 

[CelticPredator]

Another good example is the fact that I can enjoy films like Ghost Rider and Punisher War Zone in the sense that they're so bad they're good and make me chuckle and laugh at times.

As films though...they're pieces of **** but still slightly entertaining for me in dumb ways.

I never said it was terrible. I said it was bad. And yes i think you should admit it, if you look at it from a film making POV anyway.

Under developed characters such as Eddie Brock. Poorly characterized characters such as MJ. A friggin MASSIVE Deus Ex Machina right at the end.

If someone can counter these points and explain to me how they are not indicative of a bad movie, then i will eat my hat.

Neither am i.

You don't need to be a critic to think that scene with the Butler and Harry at the end of SM3 was atrociously poor writing.

You don't need to be a critic to realize Eddie Brock's motivations for hating Peter Parker and actually wanting him DEAD were pathetic and totally unbelievable.

You don't need to be a critic to realize that MJ was a terrible person in SM3. Why the hell did Peter want to be with her? She was a ****ing *****! lol

"OH BTW Harry, your best friend didn't kill your dad, it was his own fault. I didn't tell you before because i thought it was funny seeing you brood and slowly lose your mind for the last few years!"



Exactly man

Why did you get banned.....YER THE ONLY ONE WHO GET ME!!111

 

[Manic]

That was a mighty quick banning. They only joined today.

I wonder if that was some old banned user with a new name.