Let's start again...!

[T.Bickle]

Just saying.

I realize that he's fictional, but that's where I stand in this debate.

and maybe not THAT extreme, but fair is fair, eye for an eye.

to me, everything he does is justifiable, and that's what I believe in.

The justice system is ****ED and in real life we need someone to make a stand.....

 

[Punisher_MAX]

So what your saying is that everyone should take the eye for an eye approach in life (or in Frank's case this is never satisfied). He's only a fictional character, I wish more people would realize that and not try to morally justify everything he does.

In real life you'd be ok with that? Fine. Says more about you than me dude.

whats your point? sometimes the law doesnt work and someone needs to exact natural justice.

 

[fat freddys cat]

I mean How old is "Still a Kid,"

ten years old is the age of the child i think it says in the comic, so i would take it from that.................

Does he have weapon, is he endangering others....**** like that, but I mean if he's pushing Drugs or something, I think Frank would just intimidate him.....and pretty much just scare him to the point he'll go straight.....

can't really see that working for long, cause yea at the time the kid might be intimidated enough to actually want to stop being a criminal and sincerly mean it,

but ten minutes later when franks gone, he would be back to committing the crime again,

like remember the opening scene of welcome back frank maxi series ? where frank confronts the long haired drug dealer?

same thing.

 

[T.Bickle]

Well you do make a very good point.

You also have to take into consideration who's writing the book.

I'm sure Ennis's Frank would kill a kid, but only if he had a really good reason to.

 

[Adam3482009]

whats your point? sometimes the law doesnt work and someone needs to exact natural justice.

You know, I agree with you in that the law doesn't always work. Furthermore, I agree with T. Bickle in that the law is pretty screwed up.

I think people need to run their own lives and take care of eachother (the government of course doesn't let them). If there were still communities where people talked to eachother as an actual "community" as opposed to a bunch of families only concerned about themselves locked in their own houses sitting in front of the television.

I think that it would work to have different kinds of communities that can make their own laws and systems that people could choose to follow. That way, we wouldn't have our laws dictated by a messed up court system in which people are suing eachother nonstop over petty stupid things. Right now, society is driven mainly by money, greed, showing off, and is self-centered.

I think if reasonable people (the people that can actually lead, be balanced in the head, and have values) took charge and did something positive in their community, there'd be less angry people in the world and a world in which people are not constantly hating eachother wishing for certain types of people to get capped in the head. That's kind of what the vigilante movies kind of feed off of, our own angry energies.

 

[T.Bickle]

I agree, but sadly thats never going to happen.

people are just ****ed up nowadays, and things will probably never change.

 

[Adam3482009]

Unfortunately human nature is what it is.

Some of the type of the "bad" types of people that come along are byproducts of the type of society that they come from.
Sometimes, it's tough to know who to deal with first. The lawmakers/government very well could contribute to corruption through the type of society that has been made. Rather than seeing things in black/white and right/wrong, I kind of see things in shades of gray and this gray area can fall over everyone based on the type of social norms someone lives under and the type of authority that they have to subject themselves to. Then of course there's the "criminals", who are actually still people. Some of them might be likeable while others (probably alot of) we can't stand. But, I mean, what do we do about them? We don't have to cause "society" (the goverment) of course has everything figured out. To me, this brings up the question on what we do about the government who can take the ability away from people to run their own lives. Is this the type of set-up that breeds certain criminals?

I don't know man, but I wouldn't particularly be pleased to be reading in the paper about some grim sociopathic lawman (whose here to teach everyone a lesson through punishment and therefore challenge everyone's moral sensibilities and standards) walking the streets at night popping people off left and right who he deems simply as scum. If this happened, I'd think it would possibly say alot about the human condition and type of neighborhoods there are moreso in which dads sit at home with their families inwardly chortling over the fact that some more scum got cleaned up the night before (while of course being far enough away from it to still feel not guilt ridden). A society that's failing unfortunately.

 

[T.Bickle]

I look at it this way, we're ****ed, each and every one of us, ****ED.

The human race disgust me.....I mean what the **** is this world coming to? 9/11, The Genocide in Africa, the Genocide in the Middle East, The crime rate in the US, ****ing Dimebag getting his head blown off on stage, The corruption within the justice system, Rodney King, ****ing Neo-Nazi opening up on schools in the middle of the ****ing day, Virginia Tech, columbine, and all the other ********!!!!! I will be so ****ing glad when this **** hole of a planet is just washed away, straight down the ****ter.


sorry, just needed to vent a little, but honestly, no matter what anyone says, or does **** will never change. Like Adam said, our society is Failing, and the lower class, the people at the bottom are constantly being ****ed. I'm sick of the way "society" is working.......