Let's talk about Czars

[SuBe]

You don't think people's beliefs have any bearing on their actions or plans??

 

[Carcharodon]

You don't think people's beliefs have any bearing on their actions or plans??

Of course they do. I also happen to think that different perspectives are to be valued rather than feared, and I also think that until this man does something in his post to attack or sabotage our constitution and our fundamental beliefs that he shouldn't be automatically excluded from said post.

The idea that we have some sort of obligation to shun people from our government based on their personal beliefs is a frightening slippery-slope, and frankly seems hypocritical given your expressed concern for defending our constitution...which is in part, by the way, meant to encourage and facilitate free thought and speech.

 

[Addendum]

Ok, you are ok with crazies joining crazy groups. But, should the President, of the United States, our country, leader of OUR Government, personally choose a person that is a self avowed Communist? That is a 9/11 Truther? And, take that crazy and put him in charge of one of the President's most important positions? The Green Jobs Industry that the President campaigned on?

What kind of advice would you expect to get out of a Self Avowed Communist with regards to the Green Jobs Industry? Especially if that industry is supposed to replace the Energy Industry someday????

Let's see, Communists believe in a certain type of Economy, a Communist one. This guy would be put in charge of creating a new industry, something that would have huge effects on the whole of the Economy.

1+1=2 my friend.

If I own a business, I don't give a damn what political beliefs my employees have, nor do I give a damn what their religious beliefs are if any. All that matters is that they do their job.

Why should it be different with the potus and their staff

 

[Kelly]

If I own a business, I don't give a damn what political beliefs my employees have, nor do I give a damn what their religious beliefs are if any. All that matters is that they do their job.

Why should it be different with the potus and their staff

Yes, they are "doing their job", not guiding/giving interpretation/influencing you in your job. Nor would your business impact 300+million people, nor would you be leading those people...

 

[Addendum]

Even the biggest company didn't affect millions of people when they first started out.

 

[Kelly]

I'm sorry, I just don't think that your comparison is valid.

No business in our country has the impact on the American people like the Executive Office....there is just no comparison.

If these people were put through the same procedure as the cabinet, I would have no problem...but they aren't.

 

[Bob ROARman!]

Ok, you are ok with crazies joining crazy groups. But, should the President, of the United States, our country, leader of OUR Government, personally choose a person that is a self avowed Communist? That is a 9/11 Truther? And, take that crazy and put him in charge of one of the President's most important positions? The Green Jobs Industry that the President campaigned on?

What kind of advice would you expect to get out of a Self Avowed Communist with regards to the Green Jobs Industry? Especially if that industry is supposed to replace the Energy Industry someday????

Let's see, Communists believe in a certain type of Economy, a Communist one. This guy would be put in charge of creating a new industry, something that would have huge effects on the whole of the Economy.

1+1=2 my friend.

There's a lot of crazy people in government already and have been for YEARS, including presidents. Kissinger may be the top nut of them all and he's been there for decades. This is nothing new at all. Not in the least bit.

 

[Addendum]

I'm sorry, I just don't think that your comparison is valid.

No business in our country has the impact on the American people like the Executive Office....there is just no comparison.

If these people were put through the same procedure as the cabinet, I would have no problem...but they aren't.

Funny, I never said that businesses have the same impact as the EO. However, it is ignorant to say that they don't have an impact on the American people

 

[Bob ROARman!]

Separate from that, why is it that it is considered crazy 9/11 may have been allowed or even helped happen by the government for pretext of war? It wouldn't have been the first time it's happened. People are really naive if they think the government is not capable of acts like that. There is a laundry list of despicable acts they oversee and execute or fund that never gets spoken of.

 

[Addendum]

A government that has no qualms about marching soldiers to a hill so they can detonate a nuke 4 times the size used in Hiroshima 4,500 away yards is capable of anything

 

[Bob ROARman!]

Yeah exactly. Human radiation experiments. And around that same time in the early 50s, the government provided the tools and funded the Israeli governemt hundreds of millions of dollars a year for radiation tests on a couple hundred thousand Sephardi children. They were given thousands of times the maximum dosage of x-rays through their heads and used as gunea pigs for side effects. Thousands died immediately, the rest are now suffering from various forms of cancer and have been dying slowly over the last several decades. That's mass murder. There's no two ways about that. The American government essentially funded and supported a holocaust. But we never hear about that do we? We never hear about the entire generation that is doomed I guess because "they're over there".

And we are naive enough to think they wouldn't willingly kill a mere couple thousand of their citizens or in the least put them in harm's way if it meant getting a pretext for (the biggest and best business there is) war? Get real.

 

[Addendum]

But back to the czars, I like the ones that the shriners drive even though they're just expensive go karts

 

[Bob ROARman!]

Hahaha, yeah let's just ignore that and go on. I don't mean that as an insult to you but that's pretty much exactly what happened. That's just crazy talk.

 

[Addendum]

Hahaha, yeah let's just ignore that and go on. I don't mean that as an insult to you but that's pretty much exactly what happened. That's just crazy talk.

To be fair, it was going on in a time before multitasking.

 

[Bob ROARman!]

Heh, yeah. And the thing with 9/11 was that if "you aren't with us, you're with the terrorists!" Or you're letting them win by asking questions or some other BS like that. And no one wanted to be labeled as un-patriotic simply because of questioning things. That was like the worst thing. I mean come on, there was Bush with photo ops galore with people at Ground Zero! He cares! There's no way this could have been allowed or even worse, orchestrated.

The excuse now is that it's "not the time" to bring up the past. Well when was it? You couldn't do it then because you'd be with the terrorists, and you can't do it now because it was too long ago, when was there a time to discuss and/or question it?

 

[Hobodeluxe]

Yeah, Van Jones is trouble. But, imagine that, Obama appointing a self-avowed Communist to a Czar position. Isn't that like ironic or something?

ooh scary communists. booga booga

 

[Handsome Rob]

ooh scary communists. booga booga

Yeah, they were only responsible for around 100,000,000 deaths in the 20th century.

They're harmless.

 

[StorminNorman]

ooh scary communists. booga booga

Haha, the ignorance is outstanding.

 

[Kelly]

Funny, I never said that businesses have the same impact as the EO. However, it is ignorant to say that they don't have an impact on the American people

Nor did I ever say that they "don't" impact people, that is kind of a duh, BUT....

If I own a business, I don't give a damn what political beliefs my employees have, nor do I give a damn what their religious beliefs are if any. All that matters is that they do their job.

Why should it be different with the potus and their staff

This certainly implies that you see yourself as a business owner is comparable to the President and his employees....and my "impact" statement was simply to say there is MUCH MORE at stake in the dealings of the Executive office than there is in a business, even at the GM or Chrysler size company (considering the Gov, owns 60% of those)....


I'm not going to say that is ignorant, because I think you certainly know what the Executive office does.....so I'm not sure what to call your statement.

 

[Kelly]

Heh, yeah. And the thing with 9/11 was that if "you aren't with us, you're with the terrorists!" Or you're letting them win by asking questions or some other BS like that. And no one wanted to be labeled as un-patriotic simply because of questioning things. That was like the worst thing. I mean come on, there was Bush with photo ops galore with people at Ground Zero! He cares! There's no way this could have been allowed or even worse, orchestrated.

The excuse now is that it's "not the time" to bring up the past. Well when was it? You couldn't do it then because you'd be with the terrorists, and you can't do it now because it was too long ago, when was there a time to discuss and/or question it?

Actually his context of that was that he was speaking to countries that were not willing to help the US find the terrorists who caused 9/11.... http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/11/06/gen.attack.on.terror/ not talking about people in the US who questioned it. IN FACT, Bush himself when asked about people that questioned much of what he did answered, that is their right, that is what the US is all about. He was actually EXTREMELY open to the people outside of his Texas ranch protesting the war, etc......so I'm not real sure where you are getting your comparison....there isn't any.

 

[Bob ROARman!]

I was just using his quote. It was the media that enforced the labeling of anyone who questions what happened as either unpatriotic or a nut case. They would fall back to that kind of stupid asinine reasoning. Like I said, now they don't even really have to do that. Now all that needs to be done is to just roll your eyes and ignore it and move to other "newsworthy" topics.

 

[Kelly]

Well, it looked like you used it to say that conservatives are calling one of Obama's Czars "unpatriotic" because he questions things, so why is it right for "Bush" to do it.....

That is very much how it read.

 

[Bob ROARman!]

Wait...what? My original post was about how there were always crazy people in government and being shocked now that there are some people you see as crazy or unpatriotic or whatever was kinda amusing to me, because they've always existed. My next post, separate from who was appointing who, was why is it in the first place considered crazy to question the government on 9/11 when they've funded something much, much worse in terms of scale of human suffering and loss of life.

I guarantee you that you did not know that happened because NO ONE TALKS about things like that on CNN or Fox News. And if you did know it happened, then I'm seriously overestimating you as a person if you continue to put any kind of trust or support in our government.

 

[Addendum]

Nor did I ever say that they "don't" impact people, that is kind of a duh, BUT....


This certainly implies that you see yourself as a business owner is comparable to the President and his employees....and my "impact" statement was simply to say there is MUCH MORE at stake in the dealings of the Executive office than there is in a business, even at the GM or Chrysler size company (considering the Gov, owns 60% of those)....


I'm not going to say that is ignorant, because I think you certainly know what the Executive office does.....so I'm not sure what to call your statement.

Just that if a person in a business can do their job despite having differences in political beliefs or religious beliefs that their boss and/or co-workers have, the same can be applicable to those in the executive office.

 

[Kelly]

I guess we will have to agree to disagree, because I totally disagree with that statement, because some of these people are "advising" the president, they ARE NOT fellow employees working together, they are people (some, certainaly not all or even the majority of his czars) have strong political ideologies and to think they are advising my President, causes me to pause.

"It's ok dude, let me know what you think I should do in this situation, I'll just disregard the fact that you believe yourself to be a communist, no problem. You do your job, I'll do mine, even though your job is to advise me.......and deal with billions of dollars and "cap and trade". Go for it bro...."