Endgame Lets Talk Avengers 4 and what we know #Spoilers?

[MbJ]

It can be his last words as he lays dying.

 

[Jake_Snake]

Redditor commander_wong believes that Captain America was killed in the Battle of Wakanda, and then brought back to life by Thanos as he used the Time Stone to recover the Mind Stone from Vision:

Thanos ended his short battle with Cap with a punch to the back of the head. Many wondered how Cap recovered in mere seconds from a punch that even took out the Hulk and the most logical explanation is that he didn’t. As Thanos used the time stone to bring Vision back, the surroundings also reverted: Natasha was no longer trapped under pillars of stone, Bruce was no longer fused to a rock, and Cap showed no signs of injuries from a blow that should’ve easily killed him.

 

[Darkprime]

Does anyone else remember reading an article about how the russo's clashed with marvel execs on how to execute the snap? Tried looking for it but cant find anything. I remember it said something along the lines of the execs wanted a more cliffhanger ending but the russos wanted to properly close out the movie with the Farm scene. The article didn't specify it but it was implied the debate was whether or not to include the Thanos farm scene. Rather instead end on Caps "oh god" I just cant seem to find any trace of it.

 

[Flash525]

Redditor commander_wong believes that Captain America was killed in the Battle of Wakanda, and then brought back to life by Thanos as he used the Time Stone to recover the Mind Stone from Vision:

Thanos ended his short battle with Cap with a punch to the back of the head. Many wondered how Cap recovered in mere seconds from a punch that even took out the Hulk and the most logical explanation is that he didn’t. As Thanos used the time stone to bring Vision back, the surroundings also reverted: Natasha was no longer trapped under pillars of stone, Bruce was no longer fused to a rock, and Cap showed no signs of injuries from a blow that should’ve easily killed him.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=36937019&postcount=32

 

[Marvolo]

I hadn't thought about it. Cap's a superhuman with absurd resilience and strength. In Winter Soldier he survived having a grenade blow up in his face and launch him from an overpass through a moving bus window into a metal divider which he hit head first. He survived jumping out of a jet hundreds of feet in the air and landing in water. From that height hitting that water would be like hitting concrete. And in Avengers 1 his bones withstood Mjolnir hitting his shield. I'm fairly certain Cap's skull can handle a punch from Thanos. At most he was concussed.

Plus I really dont think Thanos wanted to try kill any of the Avengers at that point aside from Vision and he only wanted to kill Vision then because he needed the stone. At that point, he was going to win, he knew it, and the snap would decide their fates. So he casually incapacitated them all like they were inconsequential.

 

[legendkillin]

No way did Thanos "Kill" Cap with that punch. He didn't even use a stone in the punch as none of them were glowing. Also he punched Stark and used the stone and didn't kill him. He also knew who Stark was and considered him a person worth knowing. I don't think Thanos knows Steve.


He had a singular focus on getting the stone. He does not want to kill unless betrayed like Loki or for a benefit like Gamora.

 

[legendkillin]

Thanos ended his short battle with Cap with a punch to the back of the head. Many wondered how Cap recovered in mere seconds from a punch that even took out the Hulk and the most logical explanation is that he didn’t. As Thanos used the time stone to bring Vision back, the surroundings also reverted: Natasha was no longer trapped under pillars of stone, Bruce was no longer fused to a rock, and Cap showed no signs of injuries from a blow that should’ve easily killed him.

Because Thanos left the area the power of the stones go away. I guess they missed that part on Knowhere. Drax and Mantis recovered after Thanos left.


The theory can only work if the other characters were seen during Stormbreaker throw and Thor actually talking to him. The characters showed up after which is quite a bit after he reversed time.

 

[warhorse78]

Apparently this is from the same source that was right about those INFINITY WAR spoilers (e.g. Red Skull, Thanos sacrificing Gamora). Link.

"Iron Man reassembles the Avengers and decides to build his own Infinity Gauntlet to undo everything that Thanos did. They recruit Ant-Man to help them travel through time and space using the Quantum Real to retrieve the Infinity Stones from different time periods. Thanos finds out about their plans and becomes hellbent on stopping them.

The movie revolves around the relationship between Captain America and Iron Man.

At one point, Captain America and Thor fight Thanos. Timeline alterations have restored Mjolnir, and Cap wields it against Thanos to allow the others to escape, and is killed holding Thanos off.


At one point, Hawkeye must protect the unfinished Stark Gauntlet from Thanos' minions. He plays an "instrumental" role in Thanos' defeat.

Thor's subplot centers on him assembling an army to challenge Thanos. Captain Marvel joins him.

Hulk's subplot centers on Banner and Hulk finally merging to become Professor Hulk. He is the one that ultimately wields the Stark Gauntlet against Thanos, losing his arm in the process.

Nebula's subplot centers on her efforts to redeem herself. At one point, she fights her murderous past self.

Several MCU movies are revisited and retconned (probably not permanently), such as the Avengers retrieving the Power Stone creating a timeline where the Guardians of the Galaxy never came together.

There's a pivotal scene between Doctor Strange and a fully CGI character being shot on a secret location, with a skeleton crew, and which takes up a sizeable portion of the budget.

Only two of the original Avengers (Cap, Stark, Thor, Hulk, Hawkeye and Black Widow) meant to survive the movie. Cap dies.

The title was AVENGERS: INFINITY GAUNTLET at one point, but it might be changed after Zoe Saldana accidentally leaked it."

Link does not work. But while some ideas seem true, seems a lot of it is improvized fan fiction as well. Basically seems to be an amalgam of some truth (at least scenes the source knows were shot) and some filling in the gaps through their own imagination.

Agreed. This screams theory concocted by some fan who hates Captain America and wants him dead.

Captain America is one of the top two most favorite among the movie going audience in the MCU, and there is no way the Russo brothers are going to mess up his story, especially since he had a lack of presence in Infinity War. Rogers is going to be the main player in the finale, and if he dies, it's going to be near the very end and it will probably bring the house down.

 

[AvengerPA]

Tony Stark in Wakanda confirmed:
https://www.express.co.uk/entertain...-date-SPOILER-back-alive-Vision-Loki-Iron-Man

Specifically, a short intervew with Robert Downey Jr.

The fan tweeted: "Just letting you guys know that Tony meeting Shuri and going to Wakanda is basically confirmed from this photo. It's his Avengers 4 look with the blond hair and gray beard. Also the background is the same as Shuri's in Infinity War."

Are the two genius inventors there doing what they think we're doing?

 

[liveman789]

I wonder if we are going to get a time jump here, with all the remaining Avengers living hopelessly and accepting the result of the snap. I wouldn't be surprised if Scott and/or Carol returning will be the driving force behind them regaining hope in reverting the effects of the snap.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Well, Ant-Man Spoilers: [BLACKOUT]Scott was trapped in the Quantum Realm at the end of AMATW. I think he goes through a time vortex and comes out years later. [/BLACKOUT]

I can picture a scene where Scott comes up to Tony and tells him who he is. Tony goes "Who" just like their scene in Civil War.

I found something interesting about the end of Infinity War which I'm sure most of you have heard. Thanos was seen sitting down on Titan. You can clearly see the moon he threw at them back into it's original spot. The big questions I take from this are: How far back did he go or did he just create a reality for himself to make it look that way?

If he did go back in time in the same reality they're in now, wouldn't that mean there's two sets of infinity stones laying around? I'm not sure how that could play out, but it's interesting to think about.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Redditor commander_wong believes that Captain America was killed in the Battle of Wakanda, and then brought back to life by Thanos as he used the Time Stone to recover the Mind Stone from Vision:

Thanos ended his short battle with Cap with a punch to the back of the head. Many wondered how Cap recovered in mere seconds from a punch that even took out the Hulk and the most logical explanation is that he didn’t. As Thanos used the time stone to bring Vision back, the surroundings also reverted: Natasha was no longer trapped under pillars of stone, Bruce was no longer fused to a rock, and Cap showed no signs of injuries from a blow that should’ve easily killed him.

If Cap was strong enough to block Thanos and his Gauntlet hand for several seconds, he's strong enough to withstand one punch from Thanos without instantly dying.

I found something interesting about the end of Infinity War which I'm sure most of you have heard. Thanos was seen sitting down on Titan. You can clearly see the moon he threw at them back into it's original spot. The big questions I take from this are: How far back did he go or did he just create a reality for himself to make it look that way?

I assumed he was inside the Soul Stone and it was a fantasy recreation of Titan before it got wiped out. The light did have an orange tent to it.

 

[KaijuDude1992]

I wonder if we are going to get a time jump here, with all the remaining Avengers living hopelessly and accepting the result of the snap. I wouldn't be surprised if Scott and/or Carol returning will be the driving force behind them regaining hope in reverting the effects of the snap.

Seems that way, especially after that mid credits scene in Ant-Man and the Wasp. If we go by the leaked set pics Tony definitely looks a lot older than he did in IW too aswell as him being the head of Shield. I'm guessing there is at least a 5 to 6 year time jump once Scott goes through that Vortex.

 

[samsnee]

I wonder if we are going to get a time jump here, with all the remaining Avengers living hopelessly and accepting the result of the snap. I wouldn't be surprised if Scott and/or Carol returning will be the driving force behind them regaining hope in reverting the effects of the snap.

If we get a Back to the Future type ending where Scott or Carol finds Cap and goes "We have to go back Steve!" I might just scream.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

I’m guessing the time jump could be as much as ten years. Which will give enough time for Cassie Lang to be old enough to become Stature...

 

[AndrewGilkison]

The rumor is that its going to start with a five year jump [blackout](after Lang gets out of the quantum realm).[/blackout]

 

[Deck Rickard]

Are we sure that was Titan that Thanos was on at the end?

 

[Flash525]

Are we sure that was Titan that Thanos was on at the end?

I thought it was just some Farm. I never got the distinct impression he wound up on Titan. How would he? Titan is in ruin. Thanos erasing half of all life in the galaxy doesn't suddenly restore Titan; if the gauntlet was capable of restoration, then he'd have restored Gamora to the status of living again, I'm sure.

 

[Jedi-Spirit]

Consider this, the time traveling does not steal the stones, it simply duplicates them...a new gauntlet constructed by Stark, allows various Avengers to wield it vs. Thanos...eventually defeating him & restoring all the lives lost in Infinity War...


The Stones are then destroyed when they come into contact with one another, ending the possibility of them ever being used again...

 

[Flash525]

Consider this, the time traveling does not steal the stones, it simply duplicates them...a new gauntlet constructed by Stark, allows various Avengers to wield it vs. Thanos...eventually defeating him & restoring all the lives lost in Infinity War...

I don't quite think it'll be that simple.

If the stones are duplicated, then (presumably) they'd go back to a point before Thanos arrived in Wakanda to defeat him at his own game? It would instead be wiser for them to stop him from wiping out [half of?] Xandar?

In any case, it wouldn't be a case of restoring the lost lives, it would simply be a case of stopping Thanos erasing them in the first place.

Time Travel opens up a whole can of worms. It'll be interesting to see how they deal with it.

 

[liveman789]

I don't think Cassie is going to end up being a hero in this or anything. I just assume they cast an older actress because seeing her is probably the first thing Scott would do once getting "out."

 

[Hannibal75]

Are we sure that was Titan that Thanos was on at the end?

Yeah, I read somewhere that it was actually Gamora's planet.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I thought it was just some Farm. I never got the distinct impression he wound up on Titan. How would he? Titan is in ruin. Thanos erasing half of all life in the galaxy doesn't suddenly restore Titan; if the gauntlet was capable of restoration, then he'd have restored Gamora to the status of living again, I'm sure.

I think that farm on Titan is not the real Titan but a Soul World fantasy, like when he was talking to young Gamora right after the snap.

 

[Flash525]

I think that farm on Titan is not the real Titan but a Soul World fantasy, like when he was talking to young Gamora right after the snap.

Wouldn't this then imply that Thanos snapped himself out of existence too? If we're to believe in the soul-world element at least.


You'd think Thanos, with all that power, would have made sure he remained among the living. Unless he simply died from Thor's wounds, but then he'd have simply died as a result of the clash, and not because of the snap and thus wouldn't be in soul-world anyway...

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Someone had a video explaining that the Time Stone was lit up on the Gauntlet when Thanos left Wakanda.