Endgame Lets Talk Avengers 4 and what we know #Spoilers?

[Kev4000]

I havent seen the video, but here is whats wrong with that idea...

Shouldnt we assume that Strange told Tony about the one way they end up winning this thing?

Tony knows how they win this. He will be coming back to earth and get everyone ready to play their role.

Could be way too easy.

 

[shadowboxxx]

Could be way too easy.

Meh, knowing how they get there doesnt mean that getting there will be easy.

Are you assuming Strange didnt tell Tony?

 

[Kev4000]

Meh, knowing how they get there doesnt mean that getting there will be easy.

Are you assuming Strange didnt tell Tony?

Could be a dr.who thing like if-you-know-it-you-cant-do-it

 

[shadowboxxx]

Could be a dr.who thing like if-you-know-it-you-cant-do-it

True too, specially with obesessive & arrogant types like Tony who will think they can find a better way.

But if he didnt say then how does it come to pass?

Strange is dead. He cant put anything in motion himself.

 

[RoastBeast]

True too, specially with obesessive & arrogant types like Tony who will think they can find a better way.

But if he didnt say then how does it come to pass?

Strange is dead. He cant put anything in motion himself.

He could have put it in motion by giving it up. He's a control freak, what were the odds he'd hand over the stone? like one in 14 mil, so maybe this was the one path he could start, and gamble on where it will end up.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

What if Strange did put things in motion? I've read several theories about how Strange could have went to the past/future to start things.

One theory suggested that Strange saw that Captain Marvel was the key to defeating Thanos. They suggested that Strange went back in time to the 90's and told Nick Fury that she was the key to saving the world. Obviously Strange wouldn't tell him when this was going to happen. Probably along the lines of when people start turning to ash, call her. This could very well be why she's been in hiding for over 20 years and why Fury called her in this instance. Why didn't he call her for the Battle of NY?


I wouldn't be surprised if this was an after credits scene for Captain Marvel. It takes place in the past....but it's meaning is for the future. Could set up her arrival in Avengers 4 very nicely.

Also, with Strange visiting the past, it could put some light on this scene in Captain America: The Winter Soldier.

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I'm sure SHIELD would have kept tabs on Strange because of his sudden appearance, even though at that time he wasn't the Sorcerer Supreme

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I wonder if Ant-Man will ride one of those time vortexes to the 1990s...

 

[shadowboxxx]

He could have put it in motion by giving it up. He's a control freak, what were the odds he'd hand over the stone? like one in 14 mil, so maybe this was the one path he could start, and gamble on where it will end up.

The way its presented to us imho is that Strange gave it up for 2 reasons.

A) Strange saw that there was no possible way to stop Thanos from getting the time stone.

B) Strange needed Tony alive for them to have that one chance.

 

[legendkillin]

What if Strange did put things in motion? I've read several theories about how Strange could have went to the past/future to start things.

One theory suggested that Strange saw that Captain Marvel was the key to defeating Thanos. They suggested that Strange went back in time to the 90's and told Nick Fury that she was the key to saving the world. Obviously Strange wouldn't tell him when this was going to happen. Probably along the lines of when people start turning to ash, call her. This could very well be why she's been in hiding for over 20 years and why Fury called her in this instance. Why didn't he call her for the Battle of NY?


I wouldn't be surprised if this was an after credits scene for Captain Marvel. It takes place in the past....but it's meaning is for the future. Could set up her arrival in Avengers 4 very nicely.

Also, with Strange visiting the past, it could put some light on this scene in Captain America: The Winter Soldier.

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I'm sure SHIELD would have kept tabs on Strange because of his sudden appearance, even though at that time he wasn't the Sorcerer Supreme

The device looked at all possible threats to Hydra. They didn't require super powers to be a threat.

 

[Flash525]

Regarding that one way which Strange saw, maybe it was one where, quite simply, he wasn't around? Maybe in all the failed scenarios he was still alive? I doubt he had a conversation with Fury though, as I doubt he'd have used the stone to go back in time and warn him; the fact that Fury tried to contact Carol is just luck.

Whilst it may be Captain Marvel swinging the punches against Thanos, it'll undoubtedly be Stark that'll have some significance in actually stopping him and reversing what was done.

 

[RoastBeast]

The way its presented to us imho is that Strange gave it up for 2 reasons.

A) Strange saw that there was no possible way to stop Thanos from getting the time stone.

B) Strange needed Tony alive for them to have that one chance.

With 14+ mil possibilities, the key combination could be Tony alive, and him not... with the time stone he could have done something else to save Tony, but he was setting up the board the only way it could be won. (and I don't think he just touristed through time, I think he set up other variables as well when he took a look-see)

 

[Abudefduf]

I wonder if Ant-Man will ride one of those time vortexes to the 1990s...

Spoiler

Who the **** thought this was okay, or funny? It's no wonder that so many older comic book nerds are garbage.

EDIT: Okay, I did some research and the scene is a slightly better in context, but still.

EDIT 2: And after doing some more research it's actually worse than I though. I stand by my pre-edit comment.

 

[RoastBeast]

yep, that's why tempers are so short on this sort of thing, we've all had it. When you've been oggled in the shower without permission, it's really, really not funny!

 

[Abudefduf]

Lol, don't make fun of me.

He doesn't just spy on her (and on other women), he also tries to take pictures of her to sell to the tabloids. That guy is a sexual offender and the writer treats it as an endearing character flaw. Which is disgusting... unless you're Master Roshi. I love Master Roshi so he gets a pass. But no one else.

 

[Lookhowfunnyiam]

The device looked at all possible threats to Hydra. They didn't require super powers to be a threat.

Yeah, but it's not like Strange is a spy or rogue soldier or anything. Strange was a particularly skilled trauma surgeon with no interest in anything except spending his money on cars, nice things and women - what possible reason would HYDRA have to consider him a threat? The only way they would is if they also consider about 20,000 other particularly skilled people in random industries to be threats. So why would they name drop this surgeon when only giving a few examples?

Of course chances are it's just a "plans change" minor plot hole, but I wouldn't be opposed if they put a band-aid over the plot hole in this way like when Rogue One fixed the old plot hole from New Hope regarding there just being a "drop a bomb here" spot in the unstoppable death machine.

 

[legendkillin]

Yeah, but it's not like Strange is a spy or rogue soldier or anything. Strange was a particularly skilled trauma surgeon with no interest in anything except spending his money on cars, nice things and women - what possible reason would HYDRA have to consider him a threat? The only way they would is if they also consider about 20,000 other particularly skilled people in random industries to be threats. So why would they name drop this surgeon when only giving a few examples?

Of course chances are it's just a "plans change" minor plot hole, but I wouldn't be opposed if they put a band-aid over the plot hole in this way like when Rogue One fixed the old plot hole from New Hope regarding there just being a "drop a bomb here" spot in the unstoppable death machine.

But we see the device target people like Happy Hogan along with some other random names. Strange personality was an act but deep down he was a good person that would likely side with heroes. It was an Easter egg nothing more imo, not some line meant to have a bigger meaning involving A4 plot.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

The device looked at all possible threats to Hydra. They didn't require super powers to be a threat.

I'm well aware of the fact that it was most likely an easter egg, but the fact that Agent Sitwell knew a random neurosurgeon's name out of the 20 million people that it was targeting? I know it's reaching, but this theory makes too much sense.

Here's the video of the theory.

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[Marvolo]

Strange was more than just some random neurosurgeon. He was one of the best surgeons in the world, he got some of the most exclusive referrals, he worked in NYC, attended medical conferences, invented surgical techniques, and very likely published in the medical journals or published some books. It's not hard to believe that Shield/Hydra or any intelligence agency would be aware of him. Theres also the possibility that Sitwell simply took a personal interest in Strange. The way people take an interest in a particular scientist and follow them and their work.

 

[AvengerPA]

https://www.thisisinsider.com/avengers-infinity-war-did-shuri-die-2018-7

Shuri and her mother survived the Thanos snap and can be in the film.

 

[legendkillin]

https://www.thisisinsider.com/avengers-infinity-war-did-shuri-die-2018-7

Shuri and her mother survived the Thanos snap and can be in the film.

Figured Shuri had to survive. They would have shown her being a victim for sure. They usually took one part of a pair too so with T'Challa gone Shuri had to survive it.

 

[bubbadoom]

True too, specially with obesessive & arrogant types like Tony who will think they can find a better way.

But if he didnt say then how does it come to pass?

Strange is dead. He cant put anything in motion himself.

I assume he DID put things into motion by giving Thanos the stone.

And IS he dead? If his Astral form left his body, would it still exist after his physical form disappeared? Each time I watch him vanishing I look for any clues to his having left his body...

 

[bubbadoom]

Figured Shuri had to survive. They would have shown her being a victim for sure. They usually took one part of a pair too so with T'Challa gone Shuri had to survive it.

Hope we see her as the Panther in A4...

 

[Eggyman]

The way its presented to us imho is that Strange gave it up for 2 reasons.

A) Strange saw that there was no possible way to stop Thanos from getting the time stone.

B) Strange needed Tony alive for them to have that one chance.

If there's only one series of events out of millions where they win, it'd include the two things you've mentioned and Strange giving up the stone. It would all need to be exact.

 

[Lookhowfunnyiam]

But we see the device target people like Happy Hogan along with some other random names. Strange personality was an act but deep down he was a good person that would likely side with heroes. It was an Easter egg nothing more imo, not some line meant to have a bigger meaning involving A4 plot.

Happy Hogan is a direct associate and friend of an Avenger. At this point Strange is a particularly skilled surgeon.

So they’d keep track of literally anyone who they MIGHT think would side with the idea of superheroes? You realize that literally like half of the world’s population would fall into that category, that’s 100 times over too big of a canvas for them to look at. “Hey, this dentist has never done anything to make us think he cares about heroes or has ever been affiliated with heroes or ever has or will interact or care about heroes, but he seems like he might deep down, so let’s follow him to the point where higher-ups in our organization name drop him.” They’re not following or name dropping the actual wizards who will eventually train him, but they luckily are following the one guy who eventually will go down that path?

The guy name dropped three examples, three examples that would due to context be the most notable examples he could possibly think of, and he chooses a random surgeon? I’m not saying it’s a line that’s deep set up for Avengers 4, I’m saying that the Band-Aid idea (like Rogue One explaining the Death Star flaw) is better than it just being an aching plot hole line in an otherwise great flick. Clearly they had some plan for Strange to already be established (thus making it believable that Hydra’s aware of Earth’s resident sorceror supreme) and plans changed. That’s fine, Doctor Strange was dope. The Winter Soldier is great even with one plot hole line (hell, every one of Nolan’s Batman movies has WAY worse plot holes and I just rewatched Batman Begins last night.) But let’s not jump through hoops, stick fingers in our ears and ignore whatever logic and reasoning isn’t convenient to make that line sound like not a plot hole.

And I’m all for explaining a plot hole with clever reasoning - ie Han Solo saying parsecs because he was just BSing them. But there’s gotta be logic to it.

 

[MbJ]

Figured Shuri had to survive. They would have shown her being a victim for sure. They usually took one part of a pair too so with T'Challa gone Shuri had to survive it.

Yeah especially when they made sure to show reaction shots from M'Baku and his men. I suspect she will be running Wakanda temporarily in A4.