The Amazing Spider-Man Lizard Talk

[SamuraiSon6]

i posted this over in the manips thread too, thought i would place it here to just to stir up more lizard talk!

 

[thejon93]

i posted this over in the manips thread too, thought i would place it here to just to stir up more lizard talk!

Pretty cool. But it would've been better if you were able to make him stand up-right and possibly make him smaller. But still, a nice manip.

 

[SamuraiSon6]

yeah, the boards seem to be pretty split as to whether he should go "full reptilian" in terms of walking and be more dinosaur like or if he should have a more humanoid skeleton with with lizard features. i think i will try the latter now

 

[AIRWOLF]

The Lizard should be a humanoid creature, retaining some of its human skeletal structures and the ability to talk for better part of the movie. If he were to be a fully grown reptilian creature with no human characteristics, than he would just be a monster like in one of those B monster movies. I think it's important for him to be able to talk somewhat. Perhaps it could go this way, start out as a humanoid lizard who gradually transforms into a mindless beast towards the end, having no Dr. Connors in it at all.

 

[SamuraiSon6]

yeah, someone brought up that idea in the manips thread, too, i like that the more i think about it. gives you the ability to have dramatic tension between spiderman and dr connors, but eventually get a full out fight with a full fledged monster

 

[Catman]

Is there a risk of audiences laughing if Spider-Man is fighting a dinosaur?

 

[NewYorkSpider]

yeah, the boards seem to be pretty split as to whether he should go "full reptilian" in terms of walking and be more dinosaur like or if he should have a more humanoid skeleton with with lizard features. i think i will try the latter now

I hope they make him close to this. Maybe re-work the mouth a little bit with sharper teeth.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Well, I'm thinknig they mgiht make him like that, but with a more modern loo kto it and maybe they'll make him look a bit like Macfarlane's lizard or something.

 

[SamuraiSon6]

I hope they make him close to this. Maybe re-work the mouth a little bit with sharper teeth.

i would imagine that this is the version sam will recognize. that said, GG and doc ock dont look exactly like their comic counterparts, but i think he will stay classic lizard, i dont think we will get a reinvention like the overdone MTV animated series where he looked like a alien/godzilla hyrid

 

[thejon93]

^^ Well, I'm thinknig they mgiht make him like that, but with a more modern loo kto it and maybe they'll make him look a bit like Macfarlane's lizard or something.

Well, it'd sure be a plus for them to make The Lizard closely simular to that so they can pull off a body-suit for teh actor to work in when the character isn't flying around the room or involved in a fight sequence.

 

[RaZaTrOn]

Someone said about the Lizard transformation being a progress through the film. From that i got a cool idea of him showering (when he has his arm back and is still human early on) and as he scrubs himself his skin starts to shed.

 

[thejon93]

Someone said about the Lizard transformation being a progress through the film. From that i got a cool idea of him showering (when he has his arm back and is still human early on) and as he scrubs himself his skin starts to shed.

That'd cool pretty cool

 

[SpaceWay2009]

The Lizard should be a humanoid creature, retaining some of its human skeletal structures and the ability to talk for better part of the movie. If he were to be a fully grown reptilian creature with no human characteristics, than he would just be a monster like in one of those B monster movies. I think it's important for him to be able to talk somewhat. Perhaps it could go this way, start out as a humanoid lizard who gradually transforms into a mindless beast towards the end, having no Dr. Connors in it at all.

I agree. Great idea.

The Lizard should appear both human and dinosaur-like, if you know what I mean. He should stand like a human and have the human skeletal structure, and have lizard features, such as claws, sharp teeth, rough/thick hide, etc. If done right, the audience should not laugh about the fact that Spider-Man is fighting a dinosaur.

 

[BobJM]

(from unused Spider-Man 2 Video Game scenes):

This is how I want to see the Lizard in SM4. Not a Jurassic Park raptor, but a mutated man with reptilian attributes.

 

[SpaceWay2009]

To Bob: Nice pictures! Lizard should definitely look something like that! I could imagine seeing this on the big screen...gives me the chill.

 

[Reikowolf]

if they have two villains for SM4 and one of them is Lizard, the other should be Kraven.

It would make sense for the plot as big game like the lizard would bring Kraven to NY. Kraven would not be superpowered but an excellent hunter. Plus it would be cool to see Spidey against a non-physical enemy, where he has to use his intelligence to defeat him. that way they can even cast Kraven as an older actor..

 

[Symbiote666]

Thing is, if they go for too much of a humanoid Lizard, they could end up repeating their take on Venom. He seemed far more animalistic than his comic counterpart, with the jumping from 4 legs, screaming and the claws.

 

[Venom'sDad]

You know, I'm beginning to wonder if the Lizard will ever be a villain in a Spidey film. That Dr. Connors may just be a recurring role for scientific advise, to explain howthe villains become, and/or their weaknesses.

In a live action film, I'm not sure if they can realistically pull it off without it getting kinda cheezy. Once Sandman went silica, he remain. I imagine Sam will have recurring transformation back & forth between human & reptile.

Unless Lizard stays Lizard throughout the film, and the serum wears off after a number of days(like in my story). I don't understand why after the first incident would Connors test the serum on himself again.

If Sam have a legitimate way of going back & forth between transformations, than fine. But, I don't see Connors making that mistake twice, so Lizard would have to remain Lizard throughout the film, after the initial transformation. Otherwise, Lizard may not be the villain.

IDK....

 

[Project862006]

there would be no need to change his look really his costume is pretty straight forward and basic lol

 

[co2]

I'm psyched, because The Lizard, next to Ock and Venom, has always been one of my favorite Spidey villains. He's probably the one that is most connected to Peter in the comics because they have a genuine friendship and Peter looks up to him. That's something that Raimi put into Osborn and Octavius in the films, that never really existed in the comics. Plus, next to Venom, the Lizard is the best match for Spidey's strength, speed and agility...and he's more ferocious. For his look, I think it would be good visually and dramatically to have him start more humanoid and grow more and more reptillian as the film progresses.
This movie has potential. If they throw in Kraven and have some elements of Kraven's Last Hunt, this might be the best Spidey movie....that is, if they use Lizard.

I mean...just make the movie like this! lol

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or this...

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or...

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[Secret_Riddle]

I assume the movie's villain will be The Lizard. They have been teasing it since Spidey 2!

I would assume that your assumption is correct.

To be honest, with such a great background character already established, Raimi could do great things with the Lizard.

My only slight gripe is that..obviously Connor's will be a tragic hero..like Green Goblin(sorta)..and Sandman..and Doc Ock...and Harry..you get my drift.

I'm not complaining per say..but instead of retreading the formula again, I think it would be best for Raimi to introduce a new character (my preference is Vulture), who is without a doubt a villain along side the Lizard..if for no other reason then to create an effective contrast between them.
Thematically it's a strong idea as well.

The theme of 4 could easily be something surrounding unnaturalness and the interference with nature, and the inability to be satisfied with the hands we are dealt.

The theme would resonate well with:

Peter Parker: His quest to accept nature's hand and balance his responsibilities with his needs (I feel this theme wasn't been fully explored Spider-Man 2)

The Lizard and Vulture: Both unnaturally try to better themselves for their own means. In the Vulture's case he is simply trying to unnaturally strengthen himself for his own power and criminal needs. In terms of the Lizard, he unnaturally tries to restore himself to a healthier, happier state. Their plots would both affect and interconnect with each other, and in the end Vultures actions would lead to his destruction, whereas the Lizard would learn, through his own destructive path as well as his disgust at the lack of humanity within the Vulture (and not to mention help from Peter Parker/ Spider-Man), a lesson that could lead him to his salvation.

Throw Spider-Man somewhere in there a little bit more..add in a cool city- threatening scheme and throw some main characters in some real danger (maybe even kill off someone unexpected) and there you have it..

I mean I'm not Sam Raimi..but if I can find cool possibilities..I'm excited to see what he's going to do with all this potential.

So yah...I like the Lizard.

 

[THE LIZARD#1]

I personally think those who are having a hard time seeing the Lizard on the silver screen don&#8217;t really know the character that well. I&#8217;ve grown up with the Lizard since I was a little kid and I can honestly tell you he has loads of potential.

I think Sam Raimi is the man to harness that potential. I&#8217;m hoping the Lizard is the only villain in Spider-Man 4, but from what Dylan Baker has said about the talks he has had with Raimi, there seems to be something else brewing.

In an interview last year Dylan Baker was asked &#8220;Who is your favorite super hero?&#8221; He responded with &#8220;Well I know technically he isn&#8217;t considered a super hero, but with Sam&#8217;s vision I&#8217;d have to say The Lizard.&#8221;

The Lizard is a very tragic tale that chain reacts to a bunch of different people. This affects Peter, Martha, Billy, and Curt. You could also have a driving force behind Curt Connors research into regrowing his arm. In the comics he regrew it because Martha wouldn&#8217;t get used to not having the right arm to hold her.

Can you imagine the powerful scenes of Billy running into the house to get his baseball glove says hi to his dad who inquires &#8220;Where are you off to in a hurry?&#8221; and Billy says he is going to play baseball. Curt then looks out the window and sees another father throwing around a baseball with Billy and his friend.

That would be a very tragic scene showing this fathers pain that he can&#8217;t play with his kid like a normal dad. Curt then tries to re-grow his arm using his brilliance, only to fall further down the spiral. From not being able to have a right arm to not having a right arm but a condition that mutates him into a mindless monster.

I think the Lizard definitely has a lot of potential.

CREDIT: Hobo123 Lizard concept

 

[SpaceWay2009]

I personally think those who are having a hard time seeing the Lizard on the silver screen don’t really know the character that well. I’ve grown up with the Lizard since I was a little kid and I can honestly tell you he has loads of potential.

I think Sam Raimi is the man to harness that potential. I’m hoping the Lizard is the only villain in Spider-Man 4, but from what Dylan Baker has said about the talks he has had with Raimi, there seems to be something else brewing.

In an interview last year Dylan Baker was asked “Who is your favorite super hero?” He responded with “Well I know technically he isn’t considered a super hero, but with Sam’s vision I’d have to say The Lizard.”

The Lizard is a very tragic tale that chain reacts to a bunch of different people. This affects Peter, Martha, Billy, and Curt. You could also have a driving force behind Curt Connors research into regrowing his arm. In the comics he regrew it because Martha wouldn’t get used to not having the right arm to hold her.

Can you imagine the powerful scenes of Billy running into the house to get his baseball glove says hi to his dad who inquires “Where are you off to in a hurry?” and Billy says he is going to play baseball. Curt then looks out the window and sees another father throwing around a baseball with Billy and his friend.

That would be a very tragic scene showing this fathers pain that he can’t play with his kid like a normal dad. Curt then tries to re-grow his arm using his brilliance, only to fall further down the spiral. From not being able to have a right arm to not having a right arm but a condition that mutates him into a mindless monster.

I think the Lizard definitely has a lot of potential.

CREDIT: Hobo123 Lizard concept

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

I think the Lizard definitely has a lot of potential.

CREDIT: Hobo123 Lizard concept[/quote]


very true...and a great poster by Hobo123, just looks a bit much like a trex...

 

[Spiderine]

I personally think those who are having a hard time seeing the Lizard on the silver screen don’t really know the character that well. I’ve grown up with the Lizard since I was a little kid and I can honestly tell you he has loads of potential.

I think Sam Raimi is the man to harness that potential. I’m hoping the Lizard is the only villain in Spider-Man 4, but from what Dylan Baker has said about the talks he has had with Raimi, there seems to be something else brewing.

In an interview last year Dylan Baker was asked “Who is your favorite super hero?” He responded with “Well I know technically he isn’t considered a super hero, but with Sam’s vision I’d have to say The Lizard.”

The Lizard is a very tragic tale that chain reacts to a bunch of different people. This affects Peter, Martha, Billy, and Curt. You could also have a driving force behind Curt Connors research into regrowing his arm. In the comics he regrew it because Martha wouldn’t get used to not having the right arm to hold her.

Can you imagine the powerful scenes of Billy running into the house to get his baseball glove says hi to his dad who inquires “Where are you off to in a hurry?” and Billy says he is going to play baseball. Curt then looks out the window and sees another father throwing around a baseball with Billy and his friend.

That would be a very tragic scene showing this fathers pain that he can’t play with his kid like a normal dad. Curt then tries to re-grow his arm using his brilliance, only to fall further down the spiral. From not being able to have a right arm to not having a right arm but a condition that mutates him into a mindless monster.

I think the Lizard definitely has a lot of potential.

CREDIT: Hobo123 Lizard concept

If they had some similarities in this look for Lizard for the movie that would be excellent.