Logan Logan spoiler thread discussion

[Gieferg]

Looks that way.

 

[wootbaby]

Could have done away with the farm family sub-plot. It just made the film longer than it should.

Also, I don't see why the organization felt it was necessary to create a full on clone of Wolverine... it seemed that everyone in that world knew how dangerous Logan can be.

Out of the many choices of superheroes available why do a superhero known to be untameable.

Why not clone one of the more meta powered mutants--that is less volatile and less harder to control than a beserker.

It reminds me of what Dr. Malcolm in Jurassic Park said during the lunch scene.

It also looked like they had a bunch of dna from former mutants. A Storm clone or Magneto would make that organization nearly unstoppable.

without the farm family sub-plot Xavier wouldn't have been killed by x-24.

A full on clone of Wolverine is explained in the movie clearly

1) Wolverine solves the problem of the clones not wanting to kill. Rice says that they could replicate the powers but not the rage. They got the most ragey mutant

2) Wolverine is the best mutant for dirty work. Basically other mutants have lives, loves, other motivations. Even just left to his own without the X-Men Wolverine automatically gravitated to merc work and killing for governments.

If you were creating soldiers, Wolverine is the best one. He's a survivor, even if he loses, he just heals and he wins. Drop him behind enemy lines or set him at a task and he will accomplish it, he cannot be stopped. Think of what the movie said about Xavier killing all the X-Men but Wolverine survived. Even from a cost standpoint (and they are a corporation) 1 Wolverine who never dies or needs to be replaced is literally worth an entire team of mutants. That's why they replaced the entire battalion of kids with 1 X-24

3) Finally Rice has a special obsession with Wolverine. Not only is he the best one for their needs but his father created him, and even when he had 20 mutant kids escape the ONLY one that he sent the Reavers after was X-23... it's a testament to the special attention that Wolverine has. It's possible that he had some psychological motivation to "control" the thing that murdered his father and dominate it etc.

 

[Golgo-13]

Good points.

 

[wootbaby]

I think what makes it hard to swallow though is that it didn't seem to affect him for what, 50 years? Now it's left him half dead in 6 years?

So Xavier is bad off bc of the alzheimers he developed in the past 6 years? check.
Wolverine is bad off bc of the adamantium poisoning that has finally caught up to him in the past 6 years? check.
No new mutants born in 25 years bc of the corn syrup tampering? check.
But do they ever explain or hint what happened to all the non x-men mutants that are older than 25? Sure some are still around like Logan and Xavier, but it seems like the vast majority have been wiped out in the last 6 years. How?

they say in the movie that Caliban and Weapon X program wiped out the mutants.

you seem to have a binary thing going but if something like corn syrup consumed by mothers stopped mutations it wouldn't be an overnight thing. like with other changes to the body things like poisons and medicines work overnight but additives (and something subtle enough not to be noticed by the general public or watchdogs) work by changing your body's hormones and things over time. like if they put fluoride in your drinking water your cavities don't disappear the time you drink that water, its reduces decay over time. calcium in your
OJ doesn't instantly make strong bones.

the assumption is that if no mutants have been born for 25 years, the 5-10 years preceding would have seen a dropoff there would have been a steady decline since X-men's golden years in the 60s-80s when they flourished. like with anything some women would have been more resistant while some more weaker to the tampering.... meaning some women could have stopped being able to have mutant kids like 30 years ago and the most resistant one happened to be 25 years ago.

also Logan wasn't suddenly over 6 years been affected by the poisoning. the idea is that he was being poisoned all along and at some point as he aged his body stopped being able to shake off the effects. it's like his body and the poisoning are running on a track and eventually his body slows down... even if his body slows down 1% a year the poison will quickly catch up and he will stop being able to recover from his wounds as well as he used to.

It's also likely that the Professors last outburst seriously deteriorated Logan. It killed the X-Men possibly including extremely physically durable ones like Colossus etc. It's literally possible that Logan also "died' but his body stitched itself back together and that trauma, along with the uncontrolled bursts he's been subjected to for years are contributing to his decline. Caliban declares he could have died after a 30 second burst of Xavier's power and you saw blood and crap all over the casino where people were injured. Basically every time Xavier had an outburst, Logan was present to take care of him and took the hits

 

[Weather Witch]

A full on clone of Wolverine is explained in the movie clearly

1) Wolverine solves the problem of the clones not wanting to kill. Rice says that they could replicate the powers but not the rage. They got the most ragey mutant

2) Wolverine is the best mutant for dirty work. Basically other mutants have lives, loves, other motivations. Even just left to his own without the X-Men Wolverine automatically gravitated to merc work and killing for governments.

If you were creating soldiers, Wolverine is the best one. He's a survivor, even if he loses, he just heals and he wins. Drop him behind enemy lines or set him at a task and he will accomplish it, he cannot be stopped. Think of what the movie said about Xavier killing all the X-Men but Wolverine survived. Even from a cost standpoint (and they are a corporation) 1 Wolverine who never dies or needs to be replaced is literally worth an entire team of mutants. That's why they replaced the entire battalion of kids with 1 X-24

3) Finally Rice has a special obsession with Wolverine. Not only is he the best one for their needs but his father created him, and even when he had 20 mutant kids escape the ONLY one that he sent the Reavers after was X-23... it's a testament to the special attention that Wolverine has. It's possible that he had some psychological motivation to "control" the thing that murdered his father and dominate it etc.

Stop making me like X-24 better. t:

 

[Smilodon]

I also think in a way the true villains of this film are Logan's own apathy and cynicism and the general lesser-ness of the world. Through Laura, Charles and Logan find something worth saving, despite the bleakness of the world.

Anyways, here's a cool interview with Jim that talks about the final lines and whatnot. Apparently, the entire dinner scene was improvised. Speaks volumes about how well Hugh knows Wolverine to be able to be so good in that scene.

http://collider.com/logan-spoiler-i...utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=social

 

[Limonade]

without the farm family sub-plot Xavier wouldn't have been killed by x-24.

A full on clone of Wolverine is explained in the movie clearly

1) Wolverine solves the problem of the clones not wanting to kill. Rice says that they could replicate the powers but not the rage. They got the most ragey mutant

2) Wolverine is the best mutant for dirty work. Basically other mutants have lives, loves, other motivations. Even just left to his own without the X-Men Wolverine automatically gravitated to merc work and killing for governments.

If you were creating soldiers, Wolverine is the best one. He's a survivor, even if he loses, he just heals and he wins. Drop him behind enemy lines or set him at a task and he will accomplish it, he cannot be stopped. Think of what the movie said about Xavier killing all the X-Men but Wolverine survived. Even from a cost standpoint (and they are a corporation) 1 Wolverine who never dies or needs to be replaced is literally worth an entire team of mutants. That's why they replaced the entire battalion of kids with 1 X-24

3) Finally Rice has a special obsession with Wolverine. Not only is he the best one for their needs but his father created him, and even when he had 20 mutant kids escape the ONLY one that he sent the Reavers after was X-23... it's a testament to the special attention that Wolverine has. It's possible that he had some psychological motivation to "control" the thing that murdered his father and dominate it etc.

I feel that Deadpool or Sabretooth would have been a much better pick, if that was in the books, if they wanted what you are explaining. But if not, that's fine.

I'm just being nitpicky, and you can treat it as such, as X-24 is still pretty formidable and at least he threw a significant wrench in Logan's aid to the new mutants.

ala Terminator 2.

But hey--I only watched it once and from my first viewing... I was like we've seen this similarly done in multiple movies already.

 

[james-in-cali]

I got the impression that X-24 wasn't quite complete yet? When he had a massive head wound it seemed he needed to be "reset" with the injection? Also why he wasn't fully controllable and a last option after the reavers have failed. I could be wrong I'm seeing it again tonight.

 

[danoyse]

I feel that Deadpool or Sabretooth would have been a much better pick, if that was in the books, if they wanted what you are explaining. But if not, that's fine.

Not Deadpool. As much as I love Deadpool, he would have been speaking to the audience and doing all kinds of goofy stuff that would have messed up the tone of the movie.

Sabertooth would have been interesting, and I would have loved to see Liev come back...but I think this worked too. All Logan really had left to fight were his own demons.

 

[TWayneP]

I also think in a way the true villains of this film are Logan's own apathy and cynicism and the general lesser-ness of the world. Through Laura, Charles and Logan find something worth saving, despite the bleakness of the world.

Anyways, here's a cool interview with Jim that talks about the final lines and whatnot. Apparently, the entire dinner scene was improvised. Speaks volumes about how well Hugh knows Wolverine to be able to be so good in that scene.

http://collider.com/logan-spoiler-i...utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=social

Oh man that is a great interview!

Having some insight into the directors motivations and decisions really helps me dig everything about the film much more. I'm really coming around on stuff I had small problems with.

 

[Limonade]

Not Deadpool. As much as I love Deadpool, he would have been speaking to the audience and doing all kinds of goofy stuff that would have messed up the tone of the movie.

Sabertooth would have been interesting, and I would have loved to see Liev come back...but I think this worked too. All Logan really had left to fight were his own demons.

Yeah. I was simply going by those that have similar genetic mutations. I would've wanted Daken really or even a rebirth of Lady Deathstrike.

I say save the camera tricks and cg for something else. But that's me. I've seen the "wolvie vs weapon x lab rats" fights in previous films.

 

[titansupes]

Eh, even though I find evil clones a bit hokey, X-24's way more economical than Sabertooth. You'd have to have him either developed or explained, and you'd have to make the brother vs brother thing at least part of the theme.

I prefer the laser like focus they had on what they were doing.

 

[Enriquespy]

. Apparently, the entire dinner scene was improvised. Speaks volumes about how well Hugh knows Wolverine to be able to be so good in that scene.

http://collider.com/logan-spoiler-i...utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=social

No wonder that scene felt so organic, all with Logan calling Charles "Chuck" and Charles referring to Logan more like a former student than a formal teacher. Real character deepness in that scene.

 

[icekid]

I picked up another thing today on my second time going to see the movie, the source DNA's of the other mutants. I quickly typed them down in my phone. Rictor's source DNA was Dominic Pedrosa, who is anyone's guess, but the other kid that can control electric currents, his source DNA is Christopher Bradley, who was in Origins played by the guy from Lost.

All the kids seem to be X23, with a hyphenated number for their assignment. I noticed X23-44 for the Chris Bradley clone, with Laura being designated X23-23.

Also couldn't help think how cool it would have been if the person on the walkie talkie talking to Rictor about their asylum to Eden being granted was the voice of a familiar X-Men, say Rogue for example.

 

[Ivan Drago]

I just realized something funny.

Days of Future Past: Mutants are destroyed by Sentinels.

Logan: Mutants are destroyed by Corn Syrup.

 

[Weather Witch]

I just realized something funny.

Days of Future Past: Mutants are destroyed by Sentinels.

Logan: Mutants are destroyed by Corn Syrup.

Humans definitely have become a lot more effective with their methods though.

 

[Guts]

In Days of Future Past they said that the Sentinels eventually started hunting humans as well as mutants. In the Logan timeline they created something that narrows it down to just mutants.

 

[That0neCanadian]

Hi, I just finished watching the movie. Is Dr.Rice William Stryker's son? I may be missing something but just thought i would ask

 

[Smilodon]

Zander Rice, like his comic book counterpart, is the son of a scientist who was killed during Weapon X's escape in the comics. The same happened here, during Wolverine's escape from Alkali Lake - though the connection is less heavy compared to Innocence Lost.

Col. William Stryker (the Cox/Helman version) does have a son - Jason, whom we know also exists in the post-DOFP world to a certain extent.

 

[That0neCanadian]

Ah ok thanks, i thought he was Stryker's son. Thanks for clearing that up

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I also think in a way the true villains of this film are Logan's own apathy and cynicism and the general lesser-ness of the world. Through Laura, Charles and Logan find something worth saving, despite the bleakness of the world.

Anyways, here's a cool interview with Jim that talks about the final lines and whatnot. Apparently, the entire dinner scene was improvised. Speaks volumes about how well Hugh knows Wolverine to be able to be so good in that scene.

http://collider.com/logan-spoiler-i...utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=social

I think his pessimism is from 200 years of being used or being drawn into conflicts and in the end mutants basically died off and all he's got left is Charles. That coupled with his dislike of himself for his body count and not wanting to have to kill anymore

 

[2kt09]

I think his pessimism is from 200 years of being used or being drawn into conflicts and in the end mutants basically died off and all he's got left is Charles. That coupled with his dislike of himself for his body count and not wanting to have to kill anymore

He seems pretty fine with killing.
It's just he'd rather not, since his body can't take anymore.
He's also only trying to get by and throws around warning signs.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

He's fine with killing when the situation calls for it, particularly when is self-defence but his insistence on keeping out of helping Gabrielle and Charles pleas to help Laura indicate he wasn't to just stay out of battle IMO

 

[Ivan Drago]

In the far future some lucky guy is going to accidentally dig up the grave of Logan and find an Adamantium skeleton remaining.

Instant Millionaire.

 

[Iceman]

I saw this late and don't think I've actually commented on it in these forums. What a great tribute to the character and perfect way for Jackman to bow out.