The should have just made Strykers sone since 1. the name is more known and consisitent as Wolverines tormentor through out all of the X-men Movie Series.No, in the comics Zander Rice's father was one of the scientists who worked on the Weapon X project that Logan murdered in his feral state upon escaping. The film kept that element intact, without the need to elaborate on it.
Why would Jason try to wipe out Mutants though? He is one of them himself.The should have just made Strykers sone since 1. the name is more known and consisitent as Wolverines tormentor through out all of the X-men Movie Series.
Also its along the same line of work Controlling Mutants.
Why would Jason try to wipe out Mutants though? He is one of them himself.
Yes, but he was being tortured and forced into doing it. If we are going to make Jason the big bad again then we once again need another bad guy who makes him do all of this. And then we are right back at Zander Rice in a similar role as X2's Stryker.So is Caliban and he helped the Reavers track down and kill mutants.
Just the mere thought of how old that would make Charles makes me want to use moisturizer.just set this movie say 20 years after DOFP and said the adamantium poisoning was finally catching up to Logan.
OMG you guys. I just watched the first trailer for the first time since I watched the movie and I cried.
As much as I love this movie, I still hate that it ruined the 'happily ever after' DOFP ending. I wanted to imagine that after Logan woke up in the reset timeline, they could all finally be happy together.
MANGOLD HAS SAID THAT THIS TAKES PLACE IN THE NEW DOFP TIMELINE.
I'm still waiting for someone to explain this in a way that makes sense. At the end of DOFP, 6 years before Logan or whatever, Xavier and Logan look basically the same as usual. How could they age so much in 6 years? How could both of their health deteriorate so rapidly after being the same for so long, Especially Logan?
I feel they try to explain this with the corn syrup poison, but that poison was supposedly released 25 years ago. Why would it all of a sudden have such a dramatic effect on Logan and Xavier in the past 6 years?
Actually lets just focus on Logan and assume Xavier naturally developed alzheimers and that's why he looks and sounds so bad just a few years later. So what happened to Logan?
I know I'm trying to make sense of timelines that have so many issues, but DOFP fixed so much of it for me. I just feel like this makes no sense. It would have made so much more sense to me had they just set this movie say 20 years after DOFP and said the adamantium poisoning was finally catching up to Logan.
OMG you guys. I just watched the first trailer for the first time since I watched the movie and I cried.
As much as I love this movie, I still hate that it ruined the 'happily ever after' DOFP ending. I wanted to imagine that after Logan woke up in the reset timeline, they could all finally be happy together.
MANGOLD HAS SAID THAT THIS TAKES PLACE IN THE NEW DOFP TIMELINE.
I'm still waiting for someone to explain this in a way that makes sense. At the end of DOFP, 6 years before Logan or whatever, Xavier and Logan look basically the same as usual. How could they age so much in 6 years? How could both of their health deteriorate so rapidly after being the same for so long, Especially Logan?
I feel they try to explain this with the corn syrup poison, but that poison was supposedly released 25 years ago. Why would it all of a sudden have such a dramatic effect on Logan and Xavier in the past 6 years? And where are all the mutants born before 25 years ago? What killed most of them off?
Actually lets just focus on Logan and assume Xavier naturally developed alzheimers and that's why he looks and sounds so bad just a few years later. So what happened to Logan?
I know I'm trying to make sense of timelines that have so many issues, but DOFP fixed so much of it for me. I just feel like this makes no sense. It would have made so much more sense to me had they just set this movie say 20 years after DOFP and said the adamantium poisoning was finally catching up to Logan.
These two are still not mutually exclusive. In 2004 they started with the poision. Then there have been no new mutants since 20 years ago (2009). Thus all the kids were 14 or older.Since in 2023 (the good timeline ending) there were young mutants running around the mansion, and in Logan, Logan says no new mutants had been born for 20 years.
These two are still not mutually exclusive. In 2004 they started with the poision. Then there have been no new mutants since 20 years ago (2009). Thus all the kids were 14 or older.
Slow aging or government created Mutant kids rescued by the X-Men?In the ending scene, there are more than a few kids that look younger than 14.
Six years is a long time though. I've seen people get much worse in much less time without a dangerous metal inside of them.Not only that, but when you add in that Wolverine seems to rapidly age within 6 years, whereas it seems the Adamantium Poisoning is hardly affecting him (if at all) in DOFP.
Also, the clone wolverine vs. Logan felt like we were retreading the same ground that previous films made. A villian who can heal and have adamantium skeleton that can go toe-to-toe with our hero... I'm looking at you Lady Deathstrike!
Slow aging or government created Mutant kids rescued by the X-Men?
I am not going to pretend everything in these movies lines up perfectly because it never does, but I do think adding more timelines as fixes just makes things worse. The mainstream audience is having a hard enough time as it is with the second timeline, let alone a third or god forbid a fourth. Actually now that I think about it... Deadpool actually makes more sense with Logan in mind. The dormant gene stuff that didn't really seem to line up with the previous movies, as well as the government creating their own Mutants lines up with Logan very well.
Six years is a long time though. I've seen people get much worse in much less time without a dangerous metal inside of them.
Six years is a long time though. I've seen people get much worse in much less time without a dangerous metal inside of them.
Slow aging or government created Mutant kids rescued by the X-Men?
I am not going to pretend everything in these movies lines up perfectly because it never does, but I do think adding more timelines as fixes just makes things worse. The mainstream audience is having a hard enough time as it is with the second timeline, let alone a third or god forbid a fourth. Actually now that I think about it... Deadpool actually makes more sense with Logan in mind. The dormant gene stuff that didn't really seem to line up with the previous movies, as well as the government creating their own Mutants lines up with Logan very well.
Six years is a long time though. I've seen people get much worse in much less time without a dangerous metal inside of them.
This is true, but specifically with Apocalypse there were a lot more questions about predictions to previous movies. Much more so than I expected there to be. I think after Apocalypse most people have accepted the second timeline thing though.The general audience doesn't care about the timelines. Only nerds like us do t:
This is also true though. People didn't even remember that Colossus existed when they screened Deadpool.TMany of them don't even really remember what the older X-films were about, let alone what the specific contradictions of the films are.
Standalone does work. It's more the posts where there is a whole new timeline is created specifically for Logan or where it is placed in the old continuity that seems more confusion that seem a bit unnecessary to me. People are absolutely free to though. I just personally find it more complicated than it has to be.The simplest way to view this is simply as a stand alone story...the same way we do in the comics all the time. Nobody fusses about trying to make The Dark Knight Returns fit into the current New 52 timeline. And nobody was perplexed that Old Man Logan was an elseworlds tale. It's the same with this film. People take it on it's own terms. If it does or doesn't fit in the other film's timeline it doesn't bother them.
I suppose there is that, but for me that still didn't seem very unrealistic. Each to his/her own though.I think what makes it hard to swallow though is that it didn't seem to affect him for what, 50 years? Now it's left him half dead in 6 years?
There are a lot of dead Mutants in the place where Donald mention that he wants to use Caliban's tracking abilities cuz 'he was a good tracker'. So actively hunted down and killed it seems, which is what X-24 and the other government Mutants probably were used for.But do they ever explain or hint what happened to all the non x-men mutants that are older than 25? Sure some are still around like Logan and Xavier, but it seems like the vast majority have been wiped out in the last 6 years. How?
This is totally fair.people can view films however they want.however i think some are making it way too complected than it needs to be.
Yeah likewise.I go
timeline 1-first class.origins.X-Men.X2.last stand.The Wolverine.DOFP
timeline 2-first class.DOFP.Apocalypse.Deadpool.Logan
There is also that. The current always corrects itself. ^^as the filmmakers have said some varation of events from films erased by DOFP time travel still happen.and pre 1973 events of origins and the wolverine are still canon.This is way you can view all 10 films so far as part of series as filmmakers and fox apparently want us to do.
Legion and the other TV-series are going to be very interesting. Not 100% sure how far the 'connections' between them will go.future films and the fox tv show are part of timeline 2.of course i have no idea how legion fits in even if does fit in at all.
This is true, but specifically with Apocalypse there were a lot more questions about predictions to previous movies. Much more so than I expected there to be. I think after Apocalypse most people have accepted the second timeline thing though.
Yeah I did see an article about 'where Logan fits in the timeline' that just ignored the reset.There are people that still think it connects to the OT and that apocalypse just ignored continuity.
Not only that, but when you add in that Wolverine seems to rapidly age within 6 years, whereas it seems the Adamantium Poisoning is hardly affecting him (if at all) in DOFP.
So, does that fact that Dr.Rice's father created the adamantium process and not Stryker confirm that this is a different timeline, or was 'Rice' mentioned and worked with Stryker in one of the earlier movies...?
Rice's backstory is taken straight from the comics
From wiki: "Dale Rice, Zander's father, worked on the original Weapon X Project where he was killed by an escaping Wolverine as he fled with a briefcase full of information about the project. The briefcase along with Dale's damaged dog tags were picked up by Dr. Martin Sutter, a colleague of his. Dr. Sutter gave a young Zander the dog tags and comforted him. His father's death is shown to heavily affect Zander throughout the rest of his life."